Manny Machado (Part 2)

[82brewcrew82]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm pretty sure he's posting that "info" as a way of mocking HH19. Meaning, he's saying it in jest.

Then post it in blue. Otherwise, it's trolling.

[adambr2]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm pretty sure he's posting that "info" as a way of mocking HH19. Meaning, he's saying it in jest.

 

I really didn't get that vibe at all. He wasn't even a board member during the HH19 incidents.

[Chicago Here]

brewers just secured Machado. Details to follow. Announcement after the ASG.

Great grab for the Crew. Not sure if we are done and it wasnt announced who we gave up.

How bout a pitcher now and we are set for the ws?

 

If this isn't true, and you think you are being funny, I won't mind if you get banned.

 

geez.

source is from Cleveland. Said it just went down after the Tribe put together a last minute offer.

Lets hope we hear something a bit more official this evening.

Well, you'll either be a legend or you will never be heard from again.

Not a legend and not an insider in any way. I have reason to think its true. If its true then i suspect it will be further leaked soon enuf.

The mods can take it down, im cool with that, didnt know it would cause a mess on the "Rumor" thread.

Me personally im pumped. Dude wasnt a brewer fan, suppose to be a Tribe insider. He didnt post any brewer players.

[JosephC]

I'm getting the gut feeling that the Orioles and Phillies do have a deal worked out but are denying it due to the All-Star Game. I also have the gut feeling that they don't have the names right...but we'll find out on Wednesday. But I think I'm usually correct about 5% of the time so take my gut feelings for what they are worth which isn't much!

 

While I think the names are wrong, it still is kind of fun to look at the rumored names. I'd be rather underwhelmed if I were an Orioles fan. In terms of value it is more than fair from the Orioles end. After re-reading some scouting reports on Medina and checking the career stats, I would put him in a group above Luis Ortiz and slap a back end of the top 100 grade on him (surplus value = 17.86 million). I think MLB.com has Gamboa wrong listing him at #8 in the Phillies system. Baseball America had him at #20 in the Prospect Handbook and there is nothing I see in his bio/stats that indicate he should be a top 10 organizational prospect. I'd slap a "role-player prospect" tag on him (surplus value = 5.72 million). IMO, Franco has no surplus value. He averages out to about 0.6 WAR per season and he'll be in his second year of arbitration (he was a super two) and probably makes a minimum of 3.5 million in 2019. I don't even know if I'd value him as highly as a top-end fringe prospect. 17.86 million + 5.72 million = 23.58 million and 2.5 months of Machado at 6.5 million surplus value per month (went through the math in previous Machado thread) = 16.25 million. Orioles would be getting value here but I have to admit I'm just not that high on the players included. The ironic (or moronic) thing is that the Orioles made out like they wanted MLB-ready starting pitching, even was reported by one of the beat writers on the Orioles website, and in this package they would get one A-Adv pitching prospect and two bats...one being an MLB bat with little value that is already in arbitration. I'd personally take the spare pieces (as defined by a baseball writer or two) package of Phillips and Ortiz before I would take this deal from the Phillies. Although I should note that as top 10 organizational prospects, Phillips and Ortiz would carry 22.9 million in surplus value which is just a tad less than the Phillies package.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens on Wednesday. If there isn't a deal in place, then one has to figure that teams will start telling the Orioles that the more games go by the less value Machado is to them and therefore the offers will start going down. So have to figure a deal gets done before the All-Star break is finished. A real fun time of the year to just kick back and watch it all play out.

[adambr2]

Thanks for sharing and your honesty about who you are in regards to insider information.

 

No harm or mess here at least from my perspective, you were just sharing what you heard. I tend to take everything with a grain of salt this time of year anyway until confirmed.

 

My advice in the future would be to present it probably in a way such as, "I heard about X from this source X, I believe it may be true but take it for what it's worth."

 

Just my 2 cents, take it for what its worth as well.

[82brewcrew82]

It's all good Chicago. I don't get the false prophet vibe from you but due to past circumstances, you are going to get some skepticism. Don't take it personally.

[Chicago Here]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm pretty sure he's posting that "info" as a way of mocking HH19. Meaning, he's saying it in jest.

 

I really didn't get that vibe at all. He wasn't even a board member during the HH19 incidents.

look, i have no idea what HH19 is. Im not here to cause trouble. Im a sth in 215. I wear my pennebaker brewer jersey (Mr 3000 character)

[82brewcrew82]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm pretty sure he's posting that "info" as a way of mocking HH19. Meaning, he's saying it in jest.

 

I really didn't get that vibe at all. He wasn't even a board member during the HH19 incidents.

look, i have no idea what HH19 is. Im not here to cause trouble. Im a sth in 215. I wear my pennebaker brewer jersey (Mr 3000 character)

You're good man. Like adam said, thank you for sharing.

[Brewcrewin07]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm pretty sure he's posting that "info" as a way of mocking HH19. Meaning, he's saying it in jest.

 

I really didn't get that vibe at all. He wasn't even a board member during the HH19 incidents.

look, i have no idea what HH19 is. Im not here to cause trouble. Im a sth in 215. I wear my pennebaker brewer jersey (Mr 3000 character)

 

I apologize, my bad then. I hope your info is correct...May I ask, did you hear this first hand?? Like in person?? Did you see it on an Indians message board?? How was the info obtained??

[adambr2]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

[82brewcrew82]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

I was more "in" early than I am now. I won't throw a fit if we get him (depending on the package) but I do think a move like that is a move that should put you over the top. I don't think it does.

[Chicago Here]

I'm not entirely positive, but I'm pretty sure he's posting that "info" as a way of mocking HH19. Meaning, he's saying it in jest.

 

I really didn't get that vibe at all. He wasn't even a board member during the HH19 incidents.

look, i have no idea what HH19 is. Im not here to cause trouble. Im a sth in 215. I wear my pennebaker brewer jersey (Mr 3000 character)

 

I apologize, my bad then. I hope your info is correct...May I ask, did you hear this first hand?? Like in person?? Did you see it on an Indians message board?? How was the info obtained??

my nephew knowing im a brewer fan sent it to me from one of the tribes FB groups (prolly something similar to this site) where "supposedly" the guy who runs the site has credibility. All i got was a screenshot.

[pacopete4]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

 

The idea is obviously super exciting and it’s hard not to get excited for a player of his caliber. But I’m really trying to stay grounded with the building of our franchise. The move just doesn’t make sense to me. Yelich-type move, I get it. Machado-type, I don’t.

[adambr2]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

I was more "in" early than I am now. I won't throw a fit if we get him (depending on the package) but I do think a move like that is a move that should put you over the top. I don't think it does.

 

Hmmm. Well I'm not a huge believer in the concept of over the top anyway, as obviously there's no guarantees either way. That said, I guess I'd wonder if you don't think a guy like Machado can put you over the top, who that could be acquired would be?

 

Or maybe you're saying you don't think we're close enough for any one guy to put us over the top.

[adambr2]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

 

The idea is obviously super exciting and it’s hard not to get excited for a player of his caliber. But I’m really trying to stay grounded with the building of our franchise. The move just doesn’t make sense to me. Yelich-type move, I get it. Machado-type, I don’t.

 

Yeah, it's tough to be patient, but I agree. That says if it does happen of course I'll be excited as I think 95% will be. Unless we give up some crazy stupid return which I don't see happening.

[Brewcrewin07]

https://fancredsports.com/articles/jon-heyman-machado-deal-very-close-its-not-the-y

[82brewcrew82]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

 

The idea is obviously super exciting and it’s hard not to get excited for a player of his caliber. But I’m really trying to stay grounded with the building of our franchise. The move just doesn’t make sense to me. Yelich-type move, I get it. Machado-type, I don’t.

 

Yeah, it's tough to be patient, but I agree. That says if it does happen of course I'll be excited as I think 95% will be. Unless we give up some crazy stupid return which I don't see happening.

Good summation Brew4. It think that probably describes where I'm at.

[82brewcrew82]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

I was more "in" early than I am now. I won't throw a fit if we get him (depending on the package) but I do think a move like that is a move that should put you over the top. I don't think it does.

 

Hmmm. Well I'm not a huge believer in the concept of over the top anyway, as obviously there's no guarantees either way. That said, I guess I'd wonder if you don't think a guy like Machado can put you over the top, who that could be acquired would be?

 

Or maybe you're saying you don't think we're close enough for any one guy to put us over the top.

That's the thought.

[shanedog19]

I'm all over the place on wanting and not wanting Machado to happen. I do, then I don't. I guess it'll depend on price like anything else.

 

This is where I'm at as well. At this hour, I don't. I just don't think he puts us over the top, I think we still need quite a bit to be a legit contender. But the thought of sitting in Miller Park in August/Sept with Machado in a pennant race is hard not to get excited about.

[brewcrewrule28]

Is there a way to post the screenshot? Curious to know more about the site.

[82brewcrew82]

Word has gotten out. Up to 99 guests.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

I want to believe this so badly it hurts but I still have gauze on the burns that High Heat left me with

[brewmann04]

as log as we don't lose Burnes or Hiura i be ok with the rental but still need an arm iMO to get to the playoffs.

[Boomer5]

When folks say just a rental it’s like saying just a World Series. Obviously he can’t save us by himself but I’d sure love to take a bite out of our disastrous 5-9 lineup.

[YelichPosse]

Darn it now I’m back to excited again.

 

Seeing as we can improve SS by like 2 WAR or so... the rest of the way... that’s a big difference. 2 games last year we play in the wild card game...

 

Dang it