Manny Machado (Part 2)

[djd1228]

I believe this is a blessing in disguise boys and girls. Im probably in the minority but i think SS is fine with Salad man. Yeah he'll come back down to earth but his defense will make him a positive player. MM isnt as valuable playing SS and i dont want a black hole of defense at short. Much less giving the equivalent of what is being reported.

 

What we really need is a real catcher and a real second baseman to play everyday. The revolving door isnt allowing these guys to find any consistency leading to the black holes that theyve been. At this point trading for Realmuto should be our main priority. Hiura, Woodruff, Nottingham, Ray (and no hes not a throw in, just he'll cost a lot) to get our elite catcher with control. Then grab Dozier (who we could probably sign to a 3/45 or something) or an above average hitting 2B for a package of ~3 non top 15 guys.

 

Cain

Yelich

Aguilar

Shaw

Realmuto

Thames

Dozier

Salad

Pitcher

 

That looks just as good to me and we'd have it for a few years.

[82brewcrew82]

Bob Nightengale - "The Milwaukee #Brewers' offer was considered the second-strongest by #Orioles officials before opting for #Dodgers package for Manny Machado."

 

Curious to see what the Dodgers gave up. Maybe we could have beat it, maybe not. Could just be a matter of the Orioles liking the Dodgers prospects more than ours. Don't think we will ever know exactly what the offer was that Stearns made but I am sure he had his value and wasn't willing to go over. On to plan B.

 

Go Brewers.

I wonder what the likely hood is that Burnes was in the deal (despite reports) and it still wasn't good enough?

[brewmann04]

Like a fellow poster said we might never know the deal we offered. But i really don't mind losing out on Manny

[Jenkins5]

"No stones" Stearns is my new nickname for DS....Impact bats like Manny don't come along real often, and when they do, you HAVE to go for it. If it means including Burnes, so be it. So many of you slobber all over Burnes like he's the next Max Scherzer(hopefully he will). Hell, we don't even know if he will ever even become a solid major league starter, let alone a TOR arm. I mean how many home grown TOR arms have the Brewers had through the years?? Ben Sheets, Teddy Higuera, and the list stops there, at least in recent history. Remember, Jeff D'amico, how he was a "can't miss"?? Or Manny Para, Nick Nuegebauer, all these guys that plenty thought would be a TOR arm, how did that turn out??

 

Sure, DS will probably make a move or two(i'd argue he has to if for no other reason then to alleviate the 40 man crunch), but they will likely be smaller type moves, like Swarzak, Neil Walker type moves. That's disappointing.

 

I remember the days where I could just go to jsonline comment section to get a great laugh in on the irrational, over the top, sky is falling reactions & rants..... this brings me back.

 

I’m just happy Stearns is the one running this team. Sucks coming in 2nd, would have loved to have him but sounds like Dodgers paid big. If it ends up being both Diaz & May... plus great job Orioles. Selling off farm for 2 months of Machado wasn’t going to win you a World Series. Bad investment.

 

No we don’t know if Burnes, Peralta, Woodruff and etc will amount to anything.... however that is the risk you take to obtain 6 years of control of a talented pitcher. Burnes has been dominant since the get-go & now pitching out of pen at MLB level has had two stellar outing. Very small sample but no way in heck I’m throwing away 6 years of control of an MLB ready pitcher who looks as though he will at least be a sold middle rotation guy for 2 months of an elite bat on a fringe team. Dangle a guy with some control.... my hears are open. If it’s for Thor or DeGrom.... Burnes is yours Mets. It’s all about controllable assets... rentals just don’t have enough upside

[Eye Black]

Bob Nightengale - "The Milwaukee #Brewers' offer was considered the second-strongest by #Orioles officials before opting for #Dodgers package for Manny Machado."

 

Curious to see what the Dodgers gave up. Maybe we could have beat it, maybe not. Could just be a matter of the Orioles liking the Dodgers prospects more than ours. Don't think we will ever know exactly what the offer was that Stearns made but I am sure he had his value and wasn't willing to go over. On to plan B.

 

Go Brewers.

I wonder what the likely hood is that Burnes was in the deal (despite reports) and it still wasn't good enough?

I would be shocked if Corbin Burnes was part of the offer. My guess is the Brewers offer included two of the following three players: Woodruff, Ortiz, Phillips. Beyond two of those players I would guess they offered a third (and maybe fourth) prospect.

[Brewcrewin07]

What about Yelich? Stearns traded over 100 million in prospect surplus value in that trade. That qualifies as a pretty big move.

 

 

That was a terrific trade yes...He STOLE Yelich. However, we will never know, but let's say it came out that DS wasn't willing to include Woodruff, Peralta OR Burnes in the deal, and had he been willing to include any one of them, he would have gotten Machado...isn't that being negligent?? You can part with one of them.

[pacopete4]

What about Yelich? Stearns traded over 100 million in prospect surplus value in that trade. That qualifies as a pretty big move.

 

 

That was a terrific trade yes...He STOLE Yelich. However, we will never know, but let's say it came out that DS wasn't willing to include Woodruff, Peralta OR Burnes in the deal, and had he been willing to include any one of them, he would have gotten Machado...isn't that being negligent?? You can part with one of them.

 

But you don’t know so hold your horses a bit on all the dissing Stearns stuff. It really makes you look foolish if you can’t tell already. It definitely isn’t a Machado or bust season.

[brewcrewrule28]

Based on how they've treated Woodruff, I'd be stunned if he wasn't offered.

[82brewcrew82]

What about Yelich? Stearns traded over 100 million in prospect surplus value in that trade. That qualifies as a pretty big move.

 

 

That was a terrific trade yes...He STOLE Yelich. However, we will never know, but let's say it came out that DS wasn't willing to include Woodruff, Peralta OR Burnes in the deal, and had he been willing to include any one of them, he would have gotten Machado...isn't that being negligent?? You can part with one of them.

No, you can't. At least not for a rental player. In any case, I doubt the Brewers came in second without including one of Woodruff, Peralta or Burnes.

[Eye Black]

Does anyone know the specifics of the Dodgers current situation with the luxury tax threshold? It doesn’t sound like they are shedding any salary back to the Orioles (prospect only return), so I am wondering where Manny’s remaining $7 million would put them? Maybe they aren’t taking on all of Manny’s remaining salary which may have also been a reason the prospect return seems like an overpay.

[brewmann04]

Hey great way to get back at La sign Manny as a FA

[82brewcrew82]

Does anyone know the specifics of the Dodgers current situation with the luxury tax threshold? It doesn’t sound like they are shedding any salary back to the Orioles (prospect only return), so I am wondering where Manny’s remaining $7 million would put them? Maybe they aren’t taking on all of Manny’s remaining salary which may have also been a reason the prospect return seems like an overpay.

I've seen reports of of Logan Forsyth coming back to offset the money.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I think the Brewers made the right call. DS put a value on Machado and stuck to it. I see a lot of bashing of “prospect huggers” on Twitter, but you don’t make a move just to make a move. The value has to be there for both teams. It’s two frigging months of Machado some are crying about. We’re set up with at least a 3 year window of contention barring injury. No need to rush the process. We can allocate resources elsewhere. There are moves to be made though to clean up the future of the 40 man. I’m also glad Mark Attanasio didn’t have his hands all over this one.

[adambr2]

Does anyone know the specifics of the Dodgers current situation with the luxury tax threshold? It doesn’t sound like they are shedding any salary back to the Orioles (prospect only return), so I am wondering where Manny’s remaining $7 million would put them? Maybe they aren’t taking on all of Manny’s remaining salary which may have also been a reason the prospect return seems like an overpay.

I've seen reports of of Logan Forsyth coming back to offset the money.

 

Been reported since then though that he's not, all Minor leaguers going back to Baltimore.

[82brewcrew82]

Does anyone know the specifics of the Dodgers current situation with the luxury tax threshold? It doesn’t sound like they are shedding any salary back to the Orioles (prospect only return), so I am wondering where Manny’s remaining $7 million would put them? Maybe they aren’t taking on all of Manny’s remaining salary which may have also been a reason the prospect return seems like an overpay.

I've seen reports of of Logan Forsyth coming back to offset the money.

 

Been reported since then though that he's not, all Minor leaguers going back to Baltimore.

Yeah, don't know how they are going to offset the tax then. Maybe they won't. Maybe they have other deals set up to shed salary, who knows.

[Jenkins5]

What about Yelich? Stearns traded over 100 million in prospect surplus value in that trade. That qualifies as a pretty big move.

 

 

That was a terrific trade yes...He STOLE Yelich. However, we will never know, but let's say it came out that DS wasn't willing to include Woodruff, Peralta OR Burnes in the deal, and had he been willing to include any one of them, he would have gotten Machado...isn't that being negligent?? You can part with one of them.

 

Absolutely not negligent if it was Burnes or Peralta (both who are contributing in MLB now) we knew that all along. Woodruff I believe would have been on table but again a guy who can help this team win down the stretch out of pen or in rotation barring injury. If DS didn’t want to part with one of the 3 top pitching prospects that are all MLB ready.... is call. He doesn’t owe us fans anything to be held or considered negligent. We are talking rental! Zero control, zero compensation for losing, and zero chance of resigning. Even with CC we were going to get 1st round pick (got screwed with) and had an outside shot to resign. Manny is going over 200 million on lowest end. Moreover, we had 2nd strongest package in a pretty darn big race against some strong competition. Not like he didn’t try. Dodgers can afford to play with fire & overpay on prospects.... we can afford to. Look what happened last time we did that.... no ring & a bottom 5 farm for years.

[MrTPlush]

We don’t know that we aren’t championship quality. To say we aren’t is mostly a cop out because our odds to win it all are always incredibly low. That’s a pretty easy take on things. Teams worse than us have won it all and if we are postseason good we are good enough to win it all.

 

Look I’m okay not getting Machado. We aren’t a super team so I’m not dying to fill every small hole and watch the best team in Brewers history. If Burnes needed to be included I’m okay missing out. I’d still like to see some nice moves. Maybe get a controllable bat of some sorts etc. I don’t want to see another sad deadline of nothing leading to dissapointment.

 

Also “Salad Man” is an awful nickname. Why do we insist on giving the dumbest nicknames sometimes?

[KeithStone53151]

We don’t know that we aren’t championship quality. To say we aren’t is mostly a cop out because our odds to win it all are always incredibly low. That’s a pretty easy take on things. Teams worse than us have won it all and if we are postseason good we are good enough to win it all.

 

Look I’m okay not getting Machado. We aren’t a super team so I’m not dying to fill every small hole and watch the best team in Brewers history. If Burnes needed to be included I’m okay missing out. I’d still like to see some nice moves. Maybe get a controllable bat of some sorts etc. I don’t want to see another sad deadline of nothing leading to dissapointment.

 

Also “Salad Man” is an awful nickname. Why do we insist on giving the dumbest nicknames sometimes?

 

I tend to agree with that first part. That 6 game losing streak is pretty fresh, but every team has a tough stretch and we were very worn down and injured during that streak. This break is much needed, and we have a good chance to come out of the break re-vitalized...regardless of whether we land Machado.

[Brewcrewin07]

I would bet ANYTHING I own, had Doug Melvin been running this show he would have acquired Manny...no matter what.

[82brewcrew82]

I would bet ANYTHING I own, had Doug Melvin been running this show he would have acquired Manny...no matter what.

Then I'm glad he isn't our GM.

[adambr2]

I would bet ANYTHING I own, had Doug Melvin been running this show he would have acquired Manny...no matter what.

 

If that's true, thank goodness he isn't.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Melvin would have gotten him and given up Peralta and Burnes to do it. Then he would have offered him $120mm this offseason only to see someone else offer $200mm and say we gave it our best shot. We'd then win 70 games for four years.

[82brewcrew82]

Melvin would have gotten him and given up Peralta and Burnes to do it. Then he would have offered him $120mm this offseason only to see someone else offer $200mm and say we gave it our best shot. We'd then win 70 games for four years.

Yeah, but he probably would have gotten Kevin Mench in addition to Manny.

[adambr2]

Melvin would have gotten him and given up Peralta and Burnes to do it. Then he would have offered him $120mm this offseason only to see someone else offer $200mm and say we gave it our best shot. We'd then win 70 games for four years.

 

That sounds about right. Melvin was great if you were into one really exciting year followed by 3 to 4 excruciating mediocre years.

 

I don't mean to sound like I'm badmouthing him, because he did a lot of good things for this franchise but I wasn't a fan of his style. It just wasn't a sustainable model for a team on a limited budget.

[Brewcrewin07]

I'm glad you guys are so certain that all these minor leaguers that they now get to keep, will lead the Brewers to several world series titles. Point being, you don't know how often you will be in a position like this...when you are, you go for it...That's what Melvin did when he acquired CC and Greinke, and lo and behold..it got them in the playoffs. Funny how that works, isn't it??