2018-07-13: Brewers (Guerra) at Pirates (Kingham) 6:05 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 7-3]

[topper09er]

Yelich is like Geoff Jenkins. I have no idea why he's revered on here.

 

Here are 2 players from the start of their career (age 21 season) through their age 26 season;

 

752 G 899 H 60 HR 189 SB .292/.349/.421/.770 23.9 WAR

 

721 G 806 H 70 HR 84 SB .290/.368/.435/.803 21.0 WAR

 

 

 

The top one is Paul Molitor, the bottom one is Christian Yelich with half of this season still to play.

[Eye Black]

Not to send this thread into deeper despair, but the Brewers have moved into the bottom five in terms of offensive strikeouts per game. They are averaging 9.18 strikeouts per 9 innings, the only teams that are worse are the Padres, Rangers, Phillies, and White Sox.

[John Jahahaha]

Nice outing for Woodruff. I can't understand why this guy can't get a chance. He's young, he was a top 100 prospect, he has good stuff, he's done fantastic for the Sky Sox this year. It's not like his MLB numbers are a disaster, and it's not like there are 5 better options keeping him back.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, but it seems like something strange is going on with Woodruff. Maybe they really did just want to get him a break, but I am not sure it made sense to continue with that plan based on the needs at the MLB level during that period.

 

Now would certainly be a wonderful time for him to force the organization's hand with more outings like that to stay up here.

[adambr2]

Been pretty disappointed with how Barmes has progressed. When he first came up in 2016, looking at his stuff, he looked like our closer by 2018. Just hasn't happened. Prone to big innings and walks, just can't seem to get over that hump of mediocrity. Not bad, but not good either.

[trwi7]

They just aren't a good offense outside of Aguilar and yelich.

 

Yelich is like Geoff Jenkins. I have no idea why he's revered on here.

 

That's a big insult to Jenkins's arm.

 

True. And his power.

[MrTPlush]

Yelich is like Geoff Jenkins. I have no idea why he's revered on here.

 

Here are 2 players from the start of their career (age 21 season) through their age 26 season;

 

752 G 899 H 60 HR 189 SB .292/.349/.421/.770 23.9 WAR

 

721 G 806 H 70 HR 84 SB .290/.368/.435/.803 21.0 WAR

 

 

 

The top one is Paul Molitor, the bottom one is Christian Yelich with half of this season still to play.

 

And Paul Molitor up to that point wasn’t an elite hitter. Wildly inconsistent from year to year actually. He didn’t become elite consistently until he was like 30.

 

I could probably find an awful lot of players that weren’t super special with similar stats through their first 6 years or so. Unless you saw into the future and saw Yelich is also destined to become elite after 30 years old, which would be meaningless for us. I could probably count those type of players on a few hands though.

 

I like Yelich a lot, but yah he isn’t an elite player. We paid a premium for control of a borderline All Star type guy.

[Eye Black]

Been pretty disappointed with how Barmes has progressed. When he first came up in 2016, looking at his stuff, he looked like our closer by 2018. Just hasn't happened. Prone to big innings and walks, just can't seem to get over that hump of mediocrity. Not bad, but not good either.

I tend to think his range of possible outcomes moving forward remains as wide as any current member of the Brewers bullpen. I can picture a scenario where it all comes together for him and he is a shutdown reliever, and I could also see him drifting off into late inning mediocrity.

[adambr2]

I'm one of the people who has called for Nottingham to get a shot, but the guy really seems to have a hole in his bat on some really hittable pitches.

[timpep]

Yelich is like Geoff Jenkins. I have no idea why he's revered on here.

 

Here are 2 players from the start of their career (age 21 season) through their age 26 season;

 

752 G 899 H 60 HR 189 SB .292/.349/.421/.770 23.9 WAR

 

721 G 806 H 70 HR 84 SB .290/.368/.435/.803 21.0 WAR

 

 

 

The top one is Paul Molitor, the bottom one is Christian Yelich with half of this season still to play.

 

Give Jenkins some credit. He had a .284/.345/.520/.865 line with 84 homers through age 26, although only in 459 games.

[adambr2]

Bad starting pitching, bad hitting. Just bad baseball. Not very much fun to watch right now.

[MrTPlush]

Best challenge ever, especially after they challenged that play at third.

[adambr2]

Best challenge ever, especially after they challenged that play at third.

 

I don't even think he wanted to, to the umpire's credit I think they checked it themselves just to make sure. Why not. Maybe a foot came off or something, you don't want a game to end on a missed call. In the end clearly out but didn't hurt to look.

[BrewCrewForever]

Molitor was great, Jenkins was good, Yelich is really good.

[MrTPlush]

Best challenge ever, especially after they challenged that play at third.

 

I don't even think he wanted to, to the umpire's credit I think they checked it themselves just to make sure. Why not. Maybe a foot came off or something, you don't want a game to end on a missed call. In the end clearly out but didn't hurt to look.

 

I wonder if they did it because Counsell originally said yes? Not sure you can change your mind.

[BruisedCrew]

For me, the pessimism, skepticism, cynicism, or whatever you want to call it when it comes to the Brewers is definitely a result of seeing so many precious good starts eventually and seemingly inevitably fall apart. Some of those years go all the way back to the 70’s.

[Chicago Here]

Give me a break! Lose a couple games and you fair weather fans think the sky is falling. A few are even blaming yelish.

We are fine. There are no overpowering teams in the NL as there is parity. The pirates, the reds.....are good teams and can beat any team. Miami not so good.

 

We will be fine.

[adambr2]

For me, the pessimism, skepticism, cynicism, or whatever you want to call it when it comes to the Brewers is definitely a result of seeing so many precious food starts eventually and seemingly inevitably fall apart. Some of those years go all the way back to the 70’s.

 

Yep. We were 5.5 up in the division at last year's break and it didnt come close to holding up. Barring some really substantial bad luck for the Cubs (significant injuries to Bryant, Baez, etc), I just have a hard time seeing any scenario where our Central lead is going to hold up after 162 games.

 

Should be interesting in the Wild Card race, though.

[Eye Black]

From Tom Haudricourt...

 

As if things weren't going bad enough for #Brewers, looks like Eric Thames won't be available these last two days before all-star break due to hamstring tightness. Going to be short-handed in doubleheader tomorrow, it would seem.

 

With the All-Star Break coming up I guess I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just DL Thames and get someone up for tomorrow’s doubleheader? If he isn’t going to play until Friday at the earliest anyway, I would rather he is on the DL until early the following week and they actually have enough available players for the upcoming three games in two days.

[adambr2]

Good news for those who want to see us at the top of the standings for one more day: Tyler Chatwalk is pitching for the Cubs. Bad news, Clayton Richard is pitching for the Padres.

[adambr2]

From Tom Haudricourt...

 

As if things weren't going bad enough for #Brewers, looks like Eric Thames won't be available these last two days before all-star break due to hamstring tightness. Going to be short-handed in doubleheader tomorrow, it would seem.

 

With the All-Star Break coming up I guess I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just DL Thames and get someone up for tomorrow’s doubleheader? If he isn’t going to play until Friday at the earliest anyway, I would rather he is on the DL until early the following week and they actually have enough available players for the upcoming three games in two days.

 

Was thinking the same exact thing. Get Thames on the DL and get Santana's butt on a plane first thing in the morning to Pittsburgh. Completely foolish if they willingly go into a doubleheader shorthanded.

 

Logistically they may have a tough time getting someone from Colorado Springs to Pittsburgh by the first game. Second game shouldn't be a problem.

[trwi7]

. A few are even blaming yelish.

 

Nobody is blaming him. Stop making crap up.

[Outlander]

With Woodruff pitching 3 innings I imagine they bring up Santana or Phillips for him and use Wilkerson as the 26th man.

[adambr2]

With Woodruff pitching 3 innings I imagine they bring up Santana or Phillips for him and use Wilkerson as the 26th man.

 

Don't think Wilkerson is eligible to return. If not the only pitcher left to call up is Marcos Diplan.

 

Who, conveniently, has not pitched since 7/8.

 

No point in keeping Woodruff up, he will not be able to go again before the break. I think I just talked myself into wanting to send down Woodruff for Diplan tomorrow, why wouldn't you?

 

Plus Diplan is presumably in Jacksonville, not Colorado, much easier trip to Pittsburgh.

[The stache]

Give me a break! Lose a couple games and you fair weather fans think the sky is falling. A few are even blaming yelish.

We are fine. There are no overpowering teams in the NL as there is parity. The pirates, the reds.....are good teams and can beat any team. Miami not so good.

 

We will be fine.

 

Know what? I'll give you exactly three guesses to figure out which orifice you can blow your "fair weather fans" BS out of, Mr. "joined in April 2018".

 

I went to my first Brewers game in 1979, when I was seven years old, and have been a diehard Brewers fan ever since. In well over 90% of those years, the team has been mediocre, bad, or excruciatingly bad. In the seasons they were decent, or even great (twice!), they ended up breaking my heart in excruciating fashion. The Milwaukee Brewers are Lucy, and its fans are Charlie Brown. Every year, we get our hopes up. And, every year, Lucy pulls the ball away at the last second, and we end up flat on our backs. We know it's coming, yet we can't help but get invested in a team that inevitably falls flat on its face.

 

I could watch every postseason game the Brewers have played in in my lifetime in a three day weekend, and have time left to go out for diner on Sunday night. That's how bad this franchise has been. They're the Detroit Lions of Major League Baseball without the glory years in the fifties. We've never had "glory years". If Brewers fans want to talk about the glory years of Milwaukee baseball, they have to look at the team in Atlanta that used to play at County Stadium.

 

The vast majority of posters here, myself included, have stuck by this team through thick and thin (the overwhelming majority of which has been thin). We have waited for decades for a great starting pitcher, only to see the few studs we've developed (Teddy Higuera, Ben Sheets) see their careers ended prematurely because of injury. Yet, still, we remain hopeful.

 

So, if some of us want to blow off a little steam when we see the all-too-familiar nose dive begin, we're allowed. And don't you dare question my, or anybody else's loyalty to this team. You're new here, and you don't know me, or anybody else, from Adam.

[cesser000]

A few are even blaming yelish.

 

Who the hell is 'Yelish'?