2018-07-09: Brewers (Anderson) at Marlins (Urena) 6:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 in 10 innings]

[pacopete4]

It seems like day after day the umpires' strike zones favor our opponents.

 

 

I wonder if fans of other teams say the exact same thing?

 

But there is actual data that shows we get less calls than the majority of teams.

[Bulldogboy]

Like I said...we deserved to lose. 2nd and 3rd nobody out in the 10th and nothing -- unacceptable. That was the game.

 

Not blaming Counsell. Call a spade a spade -- Hader stunk. Knebel stunk. And like many times this year, the offense couldn't get the big hit when they needed it.

Didn't need a hit just a flyball. Miller hasn't impressed me much. After watching Arcia anyone putting a ball in play looks good.

[trwi7]

Ball hitting the bat and the hand being a foul ball seems like something Bill made up. Seems to me that if a ball hits you and you don't swing at it, you should be awarded 1st base.

 

If you don't swing the bat but the ball hits it, it's still a foul ball. I'm pretty sure Rock is correct about this.

 

Yes but that's only when the ball hits the bat. If you don't swing and the ball hits your hand and the bat I think being awarded 1st base should be the call. I have no idea if it's supposed to be but it seems like it should be.

[FVBrewerFan]

Ball hitting the bat and the hand being a foul ball seems like something Bill made up. Seems to me that if a ball hits you and you don't swing at it, you should be awarded 1st base.

 

If you don't swing the bat but the ball hits it, it's still a foul ball. I'm pretty sure Rock is correct about this.

 

Hands are part of the bat, Rock is correct. If you don't swing, and ball hits your hands, it's a foul ball.

 

Sorry, but that is wrong.

[adambr2]

I know people are going to be angry, but that wasn't really that bad of a game. They had how many H+BB, 15? 16?

 

Chase Anderson looking mediocre yet again was the only concerning part to me. And possibly something going on with Hader.

 

Stranding the potential winning runs 2nd and 3rd mone out in the 10th and our best reliever looking like crap is enough for me to be pretty ticked.

[sdcheezhd]

Like I said...we deserved to lose. 2nd and 3rd nobody out in the 10th and nothing -- unacceptable. That was the game.

 

Not blaming Counsell. Call a spade a spade -- Hader stunk. Knebel stunk. And like many times this year, the offense couldn't get the big hit when they needed it.

 

Shaw got a big hit when they needed it.

[82brewcrew82]

Poor pitching performance from Hader and Knebel. Still was a winnable game; probably should’ve been won. Been more of those turned into Ws this year. But never fun to watch the ones that end up Ls.

Anderson wasn't very good either. Not a game I would have expected to win if you would have told me those three pitchers had bad nights.

[pacopete4]

Ball hitting the bat and the hand being a foul ball seems like something Bill made up. Seems to me that if a ball hits you and you don't swing at it, you should be awarded 1st base.

 

If you don't swing the bat but the ball hits it, it's still a foul ball. I'm pretty sure Rock is correct about this.

 

Hands are part of the bat, Rock is correct. If you don't swing, and ball hits your hands, it's a foul ball.

 

Huh? If you don’t swing you get first. If you do swing, it’s a strike.

[phnxcrew]

I think bottom line is just not a good thing to struggle against the crappy teams, when their best hitter is out especially. Jesus can't hit 2hr every night and the bullpen can't mop up 4/5 innings scoreless a night. Deeper starts, more hitting.

[tmwiese55]

If there is anything to re-examine in the bullpen it's the Knebel in a traditional closer role. he has just been quite shaky, often behind in the count, too many walks. Still one of our top guys but we did so well without a tradition closer role use mentality that I'd be fine getting back to that. Consider them all same level and use based on circumstance and matchups.

 

I'd have thought about setting up the double play at the end just like they did to us. But I guess Knebel doesn't seem to be a ground ball guy and that hitter sucks, so I think it's probably right to go for the strikeout.

[topper09er]

Ball hitting the bat and the hand being a foul ball seems like something Bill made up. Seems to me that if a ball hits you and you don't swing at it, you should be awarded 1st base.

 

If you don't swing the bat but the ball hits it, it's still a foul ball. I'm pretty sure Rock is correct about this.

 

Hands are part of the bat, Rock is correct. If you don't swing, and ball hits your hands, it's a foul ball.

 

No they are not, although I think many more people than Rock believe that one

 

 

 

"I know that if a batter swings and misses a pitch and it hits him, it is a dead ball strike. However, what happens if he swings at the pitch and it hits his hand? Is his hand considered an extension of the bat and the ball is live, or is it a dead ball strike because it hit the body?

Thanks,

-- T. Albertina

 

Layne: Well, let me ask you a question. If he puts a bat in his hand, and he drops it, is his hand going to drop with the bat or his hand going to stick to his body? So is his hand part of the bat? So, it's kind of common sense. If he gets hit in the hands, that's his body, if he gets hit in his bat, that's his bat. And if he swings, he doesn't go to first base when he gets hit."

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/feature.jsp?feature=montagueqa

[trwi7]

Huh? If you don’t swing you get first. If you do swing, it’s a strike.

 

That's where Bill seems to have it confused. He thinks anytime you get hit with the ball and it hits the bat it's a foul ball. If the guy swings and it hits his hand and the bat? Totally get it, foul ball, just like it's a strike if a guy swings at slider and it breaks and hits him on the back foot or something but what has happened the last two times has been a batter not swinging and the ball hitting the hand and bat (maybe the first one was all bat, I don't remember.)

 

Either way, I don't think foul ball if the hitter doesn't swing is the actual rule and it doesn't seem the replay umpires in New York think it's the rule either which is why I think it's weird that Bill keeps saying it's the rule.

[wibadgers23]

This isn't a very good matchup for the Brewers being that it's in Miami. Gonna have to string together more timely hits or it's going to be a long series.

[pacopete4]

Knebel is just fine. His stats are ridiculous as well. Some nights it’s just not going to work out.

[82brewcrew82]

Hands are part of the bat, Rock is correct. If you don't swing, and ball hits your hands, it's a foul ball.

 

Huh? If you don’t swing you get first. If you do swing, it’s a strike.

Yeah, how many guys have you seen walking to first shaking their hand because they got hit on the hand. It happens all the time. Not sure where "hand are part of the bat" is coming from.

[adambr2]

If there is anything to re-examine in the bullpen it's the Knebel in a traditional closer role. he has just been quite shaky, often behind in the count, too many walks. Still one of our top guys but we did so well without a tradition closer role use mentality that I'd be fine getting back to that. Consider them all same level and use based on circumstance and matchups.

 

I'd have thought about setting up the double play at the end just like they did to us. But I guess Knebel doesn't seem to be a ground ball guy and that hitter sucks, so I think it's probably right to go for the strikeout.

 

Said this from the moment Knebel got the 'closer' role back. This team did so well managing the bullpen situationally in late innings when Knebel was out. Why they would go back to defined roles like that is baffling.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

If there is anything to re-examine in the bullpen it's the Knebel in a traditional closer role. he has just been quite shaky, often behind in the count, too many walks. Still one of our top guys but we did so well without a tradition closer role use mentality that I'd be fine getting back to that. Consider them all same level and use based on circumstance and matchups.

 

I'd have thought about setting up the double play at the end just like they did to us. But I guess Knebel doesn't seem to be a ground ball guy and that hitter sucks, so I think it's probably right to go for the strikeout.

 

Said this from the moment Knebel got the 'closer' role back. This team did so well managing the bullpen situationally in late innings when Knebel was out. Why they would go back to defined roles like that is baffling.

 

17 games over .500 is proof that the current bullpen usage is working.

[trwi7]

Getting a huge laugh out of the postgame promoting Landon Donovan and telling us to "go check him out" for the soccer game at Miller Park when Club Leon terminated his contract 3 weeks ago.

[Fear The Chorizo]

This is the type of game that will come back to haunt a team at the end of the year.

 

I honestly think if you go back to the previous 15-20 game threads, you will find this exact same post every time the brewers lose, and find a post following a win stating the win is the kind of game we will look back on as a defining moment. Neither are true, because all 30 teams deal with very similar game outcomes 162 times each - the good teams win enough of them to make the playoffs.

[82brewcrew82]

This is the type of game that will come back to haunt a team at the end of the year.

 

I honestly think if you go back to the previous 15-20 game threads, you will find this exact same post every time the brewers lose, and find a post following a win stating the win is the kind of game we will look back on as a defining moment. Neither are true, because all 30 teams deal with very similar game outcomes 162 times each - the good teams win enough of them to make the playoffs.

Good thing the players don't live and die on every decision that way.

[PinaMadness]

If there is anything to re-examine in the bullpen it's the Knebel in a traditional closer role. he has just been quite shaky, often behind in the count, too many walks. Still one of our top guys but we did so well without a tradition closer role use mentality that I'd be fine getting back to that. Consider them all same level and use based on circumstance and matchups.

 

I'd have thought about setting up the double play at the end just like they did to us. But I guess Knebel doesn't seem to be a ground ball guy and that hitter sucks, so I think it's probably right to go for the strikeout.

 

Said this from the moment Knebel got the 'closer' role back. This team did so well managing the bullpen situationally in late innings when Knebel was out. Why they would go back to defined roles like that is baffling.

 

17 games over .500 is proof that the current bullpen usage is working.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is 17 games over .500 proof the offense is just fine? I just don't like the best record argument to defend weaknessses on this team. Best record in the NL or not, this is a flawed baseball team. Nobody can deny this.

[brewmann04]

please stop blaming the umps its the lack of hitting in the clutch 2-3 no out come on cant't score deserves a loss

[pacopete4]

If there is anything to re-examine in the bullpen it's the Knebel in a traditional closer role. he has just been quite shaky, often behind in the count, too many walks. Still one of our top guys but we did so well without a tradition closer role use mentality that I'd be fine getting back to that. Consider them all same level and use based on circumstance and matchups.

 

I'd have thought about setting up the double play at the end just like they did to us. But I guess Knebel doesn't seem to be a ground ball guy and that hitter sucks, so I think it's probably right to go for the strikeout.

 

Said this from the moment Knebel got the 'closer' role back. This team did so well managing the bullpen situationally in late innings when Knebel was out. Why they would go back to defined roles like that is baffling.

 

17 games over .500 is proof that the current bullpen usage is working.

Not only that but Knebel has been pitching well this season. He’s even walking less than a season ago. No reason to change what they’re doing.

[82brewcrew82]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is 17 games over .500 proof the offense is just fine? I just don't like the best record argument to defend weaknessses on this team. Best record in the NL or not, this is a flawed baseball team. Nobody can deny this.

Every team has flaws. Ours are just being managed to the tune of 17 games over .500.

[pacopete4]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but is 17 games over .500 proof the offense is just fine? I just don't like the best record argument to defend weaknessses on this team. Best record in the NL or not, this is a flawed baseball team. Nobody can deny this.

 

Which team in the MLB isn’t flawed?