Brian Dozier

[Humans Need Water]

Hard pass. Hiura can be better than Dozier the rest of this year and he costs nothing

That, and this guy Brad Miller seems to be OK. When Saladino comes back he will start at SS and Miller will take over 2B. No need to give away assets for something you already have.

 

I'd rather invest those assets in other areas (SS, C, SP).

I agree with this first part. Miller buys the team time at SS until Saladino is back up while Arcia figures it out in AAA. Saladino will still need to be a solid play at SS and hopefully he is then Miller to 2b. Once (assuming) Arcia does that he's back up at SS and Miller/Saladino at 2b with Saladino backing up SS as well.

[Luke99]

I am also very on board for Eduardo Escobar from the Twins. Switch hitter, versatile, and on pace for over 65 doubles this year... sign me up

[Humans Need Water]

Even if Hiura would be better than Dozier ROS (which I doubt), it doesn't cost nothing. It accrues service time and if he ends up being the player we think he is we'll have one less year of control with him. I'm ok with this if we don't have a better option at 2B, but a Dozier type move seems like the best of both worlds. I wonder if a Gatewood or Phillips type would get the deal done. I'd rather give up a couple of prospect from that tier than a Zach Brown type.

If nothing changes with Dozier you doubt that Hiura could slash 220/308/702? You're right, it does start his clock but if he contributes like people think he can and helps us win the division will it be worth it then? Potentially. Phillips is significantly more valuable than Gatewood. It's still a coin flip if Gatewood makes MLB whereas Phillips is ready for a starting opportunity somewhere else.

[KeithStone53151]

I'm not sure how realistic this is, but would you trade Dozier for Villar straight up? Minnesota has a fairly solid team and may find value in players at the MLB level, moreso than the Rays/Royals/Tigers type teams

I think you are on to something here. I know the Brewers would likely do it given Dozier is the better player, but I think the Twins would as well. They are having a down year after a playoff season last year and really don’t need to rebuild. Getting a major leaguer with team control for Dozier makes sense.

 

The Twins may take Villar back, but I assume you are also tossing in more if you are the Brewers.

 

Wouldn't the Twins just keep him for the comp pick if that is the best they can do in the trade? Or are we thinking his down season will continue and the Twins won't QO?

 

I don't know that Villar is less valuable than a QO. And, a QO is very risky for the Twins and their payroll. Especially considering the most recent offseason that saw 40 HR Moustakas turn his down and get something like 5 million this year.

 

And a general note and reminder, Dozier is a rental. He has no bearing on Hiura other than bringing in Dozier virtually guarantees Hiura won't be up as anything more than a PH in September this year...barring injury.

 

Dozier really didn't look good in the series against us...he seems to be more concerned with hitting HR to aid contract negotiations than helping his team win. I'm not entirely sure he's an upgrade over Villar for the 2nd half the way he looks right now.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'd rather the Brewers solidify their SS position via trade for 2018 and then move to a Miller/Villarish platoon at 2B. Problem is aside from Machado, I don't think there's much quality in available shortstops - and I think a team like the Dodgers is going to offer whatever it takes to bring Machado into the mix.

 

Dozier probably is an upgrade, but I don't think he'd be a differencemaker considering the way this team's roster is constructed.

[BuckyBrewer61]

Anyone with insight into what it might actually take to get Dozier? Looks like a great buy-low candidate given his production this year compared to career norms (and thanks to Keon for keeping his numbers down for at least one more day...)

 

If he can be had for a package that leaves out our higher level prospects, I would absolutely love this move.

[statman0007]

I think relying on Hiura to come in and save the day is taking a big risk. I love him as a prospect, but how many guys come in and destroy major league pitching right away? The bigger concern is his health. He hasn't played in 4-5 days due to an injury and reports are he's still out a few more days. I'm not trying to label him injury prone, but he does have more health concerns right now than most.

 

Brian Anderson said on the broadcast that Dozier looked like a guy that needed a change of scenery. I agree with that completely. I know he's been a .700 OPS guy this year, but he's got a long track record of being better than that, especially in the 2nd half. A trade to a contender could energize him too. Maybe the Twins saw enough of Keon Broxton that they want him on their team?

[YelichPosse]

I think I would take a flier on a Villar / Broxton for Dozier type of move. Maybe they add a bullpen arm as well?

 

Seems Miller / Dozier would be awesome offensively. Sure leave a lot to desire defensively but that would allow for defensive replacements late (Arcia).

 

Just some thoughts.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Brewers showing the Orioles they have options IMO. Think Dozier fits really well into the lineup and chance to resign too.

[Yellin4Yelich]

He's a second half hitter

 

Career .747 OPS in the first half; .813 OPS second half

 

In 2017, it was 0.745 OPS in the first half; 0.985 OPS in the second half

 

In 2018,

Apr/March = .728 OPS

May .689 OPS

June .645 OPS

July .961 OPS!!! (although were only ~1/3 way through july)

 

He's gonna be a heck of a lot cheaper than machado in terms of prospects. If macahdo requires burnes, peralta, arcia or hiura, we should pass and definitely target dozier.

[RollieTime]

Brewers showing the Orioles they have options IMO. Think Dozier fits really well into the lineup and chance to resign too.

 

I wonder if this is Stearns posturing to get the Orioles to take the deal quickly. Having Machado for 15 more games could be the difference between the Brewers winning the division by 1 game or falling short by 1 game.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

He's a second half hitter

 

Career .747 OPS in the first half; .813 OPS second half

 

In 2017, it was 0.745 OPS in the first half; 0.985 OPS in the second half

 

In 2018,

Apr/March = .728 OPS

May .689 OPS

June .645 OPS

July .961 OPS!!! (although were only ~1/3 way through july)

 

He's gonna be a heck of a lot cheaper than machado in terms of prospects. If macahdo requires burnes, peralta, arcia or hiura, we should pass and definitely target dozier.

I think he can thrive in Miller Park.

[Roderick]

Brewers showing the Orioles they have options IMO. Think Dozier fits really well into the lineup and chance to resign too.

 

I wonder if this is Stearns posturing to get the Orioles to take the deal quickly. Having Machado for 15 more games could be the difference between the Brewers winning the division by 1 game or falling short by 1 game.

 

I hope it is to push the Orioles, but I also hope it is not posturing.

 

I would be just as happy with Escobar and Dozier (secondly) and a stud bullpen guy who isn't a closer, like Will Smith. May be equivalent prospect value in trade, but we would not be sending out as high end type of prospects.

[statman0007]

Looks like he's heating up, Dozier has homered in 3 out of last 4 games.

 

For as bad as SS has been, our numbers out of 2B are almost as bad. Even though they play different positions, you can almost compare Dozier and Machado directly as the same guys (Saladino/Miller/Perez/maybe Villar) who would play SS if we got Dozier would play 2B if we got Machado. Dozier has had a higher OPS than Machado the last two years, so I think the offense is closer than a lot of people think. From everyone's reports, the defense would be similar with Machado or Miller at SS and an upgrade with Saladino (and maybe Perez) as SS.

 

Additionally, the Hiura idea looks less likely than it did a couple weeks ago. He's battled injuries and is 2 for his last 26 in AA. Everyone is allowed to have a slump, but I think it does indicate that he's not ready to jump to the majors and hit major league pitching significantly better than our current options.

[Roderick]

I do like the idea of pulling Miller or Thames for defensive purposes late in a game, especially if it coincides with them just having batted and won't be up to bat.

 

If Machado is at that level of defense, will Counsell feel he can't pull Machado if we are up by 2 going into the 9th? If that is the case, all the more reason to get the MN guy(s).

[MrTPlush]

I hope he is heating up, he is on my fantasy team.

[Warning Track Power]

 

Yes!

[KCBrewerfan34]

Sooner rather than later please. Tough schedule coming up.

[JosephC]

I also don't think Dozier gets a qualifying offer from the Twins although they would for sure be talking about that in negotiations, trying to get the trading partner to think that they need to push offers higher to break that threshold. If I remember the rules right, the Twins would only get a 1-comp pick if Dozier signs a deal for 50+ million. Considering the number of big names out there this year, Dozier will be 31 years old, 2B'men went for cheap last year...can Dozier get 4 guaranteed years which would probably be necessary to push the deal over 50 million? The Twins would have to go into it thinking that Dozier is a <50 million dollar player and the likely compensation would be a 2-comp pick which is worth way less.

 

And we know the approximate value of a 2-comp pick. It's roughly 7 million dollars. That's the amount of money the Padre's picked up when they took on Phil Hughes and received a comp-B pick for their trouble.

[statman0007]

I'll be thrilled if we get Dozier. There's a decent chance he matches Machado's 2nd half offensive production and his defense is better (at a less challenging position). Escobar has been great for the Twins, but Dozier's track record is much more extensive. Hoping Cleveland starts the 2nd half hot and the Twins struggle a bit as I'm worried the Twins are just close enough in the division that they won't want to trade guys away.

[SRB]

Dozier would be nice, but don't you feel he's going to be overvalued based on his 2016-2017 seasons, which were outliers in his career?

[statman0007]

Over those seasons he had elite production over 1232 at bats. It's not like it was a small sample size or something. Even if he produced more like 2014 and 2015 he'd be a huge step up over what we've had.

[82brewcrew82]

For those interested in such things:

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/30603-twins-brewers-talking-trades/page-5

[Eye Black]

Brian Dozier’s career stats at Miller Park...

 

 

[pre]G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip tOPS+

17 79 72 12 24 4 0 4 10 3 4 11 .333 .367 .556 .923 .339 136[/pre]

[brewcrewdue80]

Looking at KC's current makeup, Brett Phillips would likely fill a need to the ML team. Then add Marcos Diplan. And a throw in 3rd if needed. What are we doing with Bickford these days?