Derek Dietrich

[jvrocksaz]

Thoughts?

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/derek-dietrich-trade-talk-brewers/c-283181636

[KeithStone53151]

Thoughts?

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/derek-dietrich-trade-talk-brewers/c-283181636

 

He can play multiple positions and is a LH batter. Based on his physique, he looks like he works hard at his craft. I'm open to it depending on cost. The acquisition of Miller and continuing to look at someone like Dietrich tells me we are looking to move on from both Perez and Sogard. I like the idea of having 2 of Miller, Dietrich, Villar, Saladino starting on a given day with the other 2 coming off the bench.

[OnaBadger58]

If he can play 2nd base, absolutely. He's played 2 games at 2nd this year and 10 games last year. His career OBP is .60 higher than Hernan Perez's.

[Lathund]

If he can play 3rd and OF it removes the need for Hernan Perez on the roster, and his bat should play better than Hernan's.

 

C: Pina, Kratz/Nottingham/trade

1B: Aguilar

2B/SS: Miller, Saladino, Villar

3B: Shaw

OF: Braun, Cain, Yelich

1B/OF: Thames

2B/3B/OF: Dietrich

[KeithStone53151]

If he can play 2nd base, absolutely. He's played 2 games at 2nd this year and 10 games last year.

 

Even if he can't play 2b all that well, that's not a huge deal. Eventually I would think Villar, Miller and Saladino would play ss and 2b most of the time...I don't think we'd need Dietrich there much. If his arm plays at 3b, I imagine he'd be fine in RF as Braun/Yelich prefer LF. The LH bat brings more balance as well, and we'll be able to really stack lefties against RH starters.

[OnaBadger58]

If he can play 2nd base, absolutely. He's played 2 games at 2nd this year and 10 games last year.

 

Even if he can't play 2b all that well, that's not a huge deal. Eventually I would think Villar, Miller and Saladino would play ss and 2b most of the time...I don't think we'd need Dietrich there much. If his arm plays at 3b, I imagine he'd be fine in RF as Braun/Yelich prefer LF. The LH bat brings more balance as well, and we'll be able to really stack lefties against RH starters.

The problem is, you make it sound like Villar, Miller, and Saladino are consistent options that we can feel good about. If we're trading any type of good prospect, I want it to be at a position of need.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Interesting. He is versatile, which seems to be something Stearns likes. With two years of control after this year, I imagine the cost is going to be significant.

[KeithStone53151]

If he can play 2nd base, absolutely. He's played 2 games at 2nd this year and 10 games last year.

 

Even if he can't play 2b all that well, that's not a huge deal. Eventually I would think Villar, Miller and Saladino would play ss and 2b most of the time...I don't think we'd need Dietrich there much. If his arm plays at 3b, I imagine he'd be fine in RF as Braun/Yelich prefer LF. The LH bat brings more balance as well, and we'll be able to really stack lefties against RH starters.

The problem is, you make it sound like Villar, Miller, and Saladino are consistent options that we can feel good about. If we're trading any type of good prospect, I want it to be at a position of need.

 

I'm willing to explore this as a low cost move only. Maybe Gatewood or Grisham + a flier arm. If someone else offers more, so be it. Even that offer might be more than I'm willing to pay, but I look at Dietrich as a low cost bench replacement. If someone values him as a regular, we likely won't get him.

 

I'll add, if Stearns instead explores making an acquisition for a regular SS like Mercer or Iglesias on a rental...maybe that precludes this move. That would shift Saladino and Miller into likely utility roles getting a couple starts a week. It definitely doesn't hurt to do the leg work and explore the option.

[KeithStone53151]

Interesting. He is versatile, which seems to be something Stearns likes. With two years of control after this year, I imagine the cost is going to be significant.

 

I really think you are overestimating the cost. There will be plenty of similar options available. I don't think many teams look at him and see a regular in the OF or at 3b on a contender. He'll probably be valued as a guy to get a couple starts a week and PH.

[jvrocksaz]

This type of move could help cover 3b if the Shaw wrist injury lingers. He appears to have a better bat than any other options we currently have. If this inquiry has been more recent by the Brewers, I wonder if they are more concerned about the Shaw injury then stated previously...

[wallus]

Wrong Marlin but worth a look depending on cost.

[OnaBadger58]

Interesting. He is versatile, which seems to be something Stearns likes. With two years of control after this year, I imagine the cost is going to be significant.

 

I really think you are overestimating the cost. There will be plenty of similar options available. I don't think many teams look at him and see a regular in the OF or at 3b on a contender. He'll probably be valued as a guy to get a couple starts a week and PH.

 

With offensive numbers very similar to Yelich's, the Marlins will clearly be selling high on Dietrich. He can be a super Utility, controlled for another 2 years, at a relatively cheap price. Will he cost Hiura, Peralta, or Burnes, no but Erceg etc. will be in the conversation.

[brewmann04]

I have to hear what the marlins are asking for

[TooLiveBrew]

Another Marlins bat that looks like it'd play up nicely away from Marlins Park. His road numbers are pretty attractive. I agree with others that whether or not he's a competent 2B & 3B defender would determine my level of interest. If he's ok, having him on the roster over a Sogard would add some really nice depth.

 

If he's really only a corner OF/1B bat, then probably not worth adding.

[Bnowell4evr]

Dietrich makes so much sense! He would solve our 2B problem and make our lineup loaded 1-6. Now I'm going to get my hopes up that this happens.

[wallus]

One thing to note is that Dietrich grades out very poorly on defensive WAR.

[JosephC]

Dietrich only makes 2.9 million and there is no future obligation as he's in arbitration. I don't see them trading him unless they get an offer they like.

 

If he continues on his current pace this season, from 2016-2018 he will have averaged 1.9 WAR per season between Baseball Reference and Fangraphs. He turns 29 in the near future so there is no reason to expect any significant regression from him through the remainder of his "controlled" seasons.

 

So crediting him with 4.6 wins over the next 2.5 seasons (0.8 + 1.9 + 1.9) would put his total value at 45.88 million...then I'd guess he makes something like 12.65 million over that span which brings his surplus value to around 33 million. Seems a bit high to me but it's a pretty strong indicator that the Marlins probably get 20 million in surplus value back and that number could push towards 25 million. Again, no reason that I can see where the Marlins should move him for any less than that.

 

IMO, fair deals would be something like:

-Derek Dietrich for Corbin Burnes plus Demi Orimoloye

-Derek Dietrich for Lucas Erceg plus Tristen Lutz plus Braden Webb

-Derek Dietrich for Brett Phillips plus Cody Ponce plus Zack Brown

[djd1228]

Dietrich only makes 2.9 million and there is no future obligation as he's in arbitration. I don't see them trading him unless they get an offer they like.

 

If he continues on his current pace this season, from 2016-2018 he will have averaged 1.9 WAR per season between Baseball Reference and Fangraphs. He turns 29 in the near future so there is no reason to expect any significant regression from him through the remainder of his "controlled" seasons.

 

So crediting him with 4.6 wins over the next 2.5 seasons (0.8 + 1.9 + 1.9) would put his total value at 45.88 million...then I'd guess he makes something like 12.65 million over that span which brings his surplus value to around 33 million. Seems a bit high to me but it's a pretty strong indicator that the Marlins probably get 20 million in surplus value back and that number could push towards 25 million. Again, no reason that I can see where the Marlins should move him for any less than that.

 

IMO, fair deals would be something like:

-Derek Dietrich for Corbin Burnes plus Demi Orimoloye

-Derek Dietrich for Lucas Erceg plus Tristen Lutz plus Braden Webb

-Derek Dietrich for Brett Phillips plus Cody Ponce plus Zack Brown

 

Gross, if thats the cost theres better (cheaper) options out there. I dont think the brewers would want to pay that much for a utility guy since Keston hopefilly has his name on 2B next year.

[brewmann04]

I don't see him as a major upgrade in this addition but if the price is right ?

[JosephC]

That's kind of the issue. Dietrich may play a lot of positions but he really shouldn't be considered what is normally termed a utility player. Looks like he has been in the Marlin's starting lineup about 85% of the time this year. 2017 game logs make it look like he was in the starting lineup most of that season but missed quite a few non-consecutive games in September, I have no idea of he was battling some injuries or if the Marlins were getting a look at some younger players. In 2016 it looks like he moved into the starting lineup about 3 weeks into the season and pretty much held onto that until he missed a bunch of games about midway through August which I'm assuming was due to injury. So to me it looks like he has been a regular in the starting lineup since 2016 and over that time has slashed .273/.353/.442/.795. That's much better than what would be considered utility player expectations.

[MrTPlush]

Surplus value on a guy like Dietrich seems broken. He isn’t very special and honestly his track record is less than stellar. Are you really going to give up Burnes to get a 1.5 WAR player for three years? At what point does control not really add value?

 

If we are dying for offense and think we can sacrifice defense then yah I get this move, but on paper the improvement between Villar to Dietrich seems to be close to zero.

 

I don’t have a problem adding him to be a super utility like Hernan Perez...but to start everyday? No thanks. He won’t cost that much to get, but it won’t be for peanuts either.

[brewmann04]

He seems to also having a career year wonder if this also fits into the brewers thinking.

[SRB]

He's a major upgrade over Villar.

 

Dietrich career: -4.3 UZR/150 at 2B (1522 innings)

Dietrich career: .335 wOBA (1875 PA)

Dietrich 2018: .363 wOBA (294 PA)

 

Villar career: -9.3 UZR/150 at 2B (1315 innings)

Villar career: .313 wOBA (2008 PA)

Villar 2018: .297 wOBA (235 PA)

[TURBO]

IMO, fair deals would be something like:

-Derek Dietrich for Corbin Burnes plus Demi Orimoloye

-Derek Dietrich for Lucas Erceg plus Tristen Lutz plus Braden Webb

-Derek Dietrich for Brett Phillips plus Cody Ponce plus Zack Brown

 

Oh my. I just realized that I am extremely happy you are not our GM.

 

I would not give just ONE of any of the 8 players you just mentioned. Not even ONE of them even up for Dietrich.

 

[pacopete4]

IMO, fair deals would be something like:

-Derek Dietrich for Corbin Burnes plus Demi Orimoloye

-Derek Dietrich for Lucas Erceg plus Tristen Lutz plus Braden Webb

-Derek Dietrich for Brett Phillips plus Cody Ponce plus Zack Brown

 

Oh my. I just realized that I am extremely happy you are not our GM.

 

I would not give just ONE of any of the 8 players you just mentioned. Not even ONE of them even up for Dietrich.

 

 

Seconded.