Is aguilar the brewers MVP

[markedman5]

You have to think Aguilar has a strong case for NL player of the month.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

Aguilar is going to continue to knock them in bc cain and yelich are always on base..

I have no argument that cain is a monster. He is

It is great we have all these great players.

and luke...aguilar IS one of the 5 best hitting 1B. This year.

And that is all I care about

[LouisEly]

Prior to tonight's game Aguilar was 2nd in the NL to Max Muncy in OPS among players with at least 200 PAs among all positions.

 

I'd say that's All Star worthy.

[coolhandluke121]

and luke...aguilar IS one of the 5 best hitting 1B. This year.

And that is all I care about

 

I guess at least you're openly admitting that it's only about hitting for you. The next post is all about offense too, in a slugger-friendly home park no less. With context, Aguilar's OPS doesn't make up for his defense compared to other 1B's like Belt, Votto, Goldschmidt, or Freeman, let alone a gold glove CF with a better OBP and some of the best base-running value in all of baseball.

 

The "triple crown" stats are so outdated when it comes to evaluating player value.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

ok. aguilar isn't going to win the MVP.

Neither is cain.

But both are at least going to get a bunch votes if they continue at this pace.

Why are you even arguing with me about this?

The first post in this thread I said cain and hader were JUST as valuable as aguilar.

Aguilar is a great story.

You and others in this bb didn't give him hardly any consideration in april

and said they should just trade him for whatever they could get.

I said here and to other people, that if they trade anyone, it should be thames

because aguilar showed last year he is just as good as thames at 1/10 of the cost.

So, again, aguilar isn't going to win the MVP ok.

I said if he keeps hitting like he is, he will end up in the top 5

[brewerswinNLcentral]

This is all fun, but these guys are ALL brewers..

It's not like we are are debating cubs and brewer players.

The goal is to win a WS and all these guys are showing the way there people

[coolhandluke121]

I'm only arguing because I think it's unfair to Cain to suggest that anyone else should be the team MVP. He's literally been the most valuable position player in the NL all season long, and I'm not sure it's even close.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

And that was the first thing I said, except I said it was close between cain, hader, and aguilar.

One of your posts said cain has been unbelievable this year.

I agree 100%

but, what part of aguilar isn't unbelievable?

first in homers, 5th in BA, first in OPS and slugging, 5th in RBI.

All this from a guy you didn't even care if he made the team?

so, lets not say it isn't even close.

There is plenty of great stats on each guy.

That's what I am saying.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

It is like arguing who was more important in a certain year between molitor and cecil cooper.

It isn't an open and shut case.

like 93 votes for molitor and zero for cooper.

The reason I keep saying I don't care about defense is

because aguilar isn't killing us with bad defense so I don't care.

The guy makes $577k so everything is rosy with me if he gets 40 homers and 100 RBI's

I could care less about his WAR and his defense

[brewerswinNLcentral]

8-1 brew city.

the train keeps rolling. 15 games over kids

[coolhandluke121]

I could care less about his WAR and his defense

 

That ends any chance at a reasonable debate. Cain's defense matters so much more than you're giving him credit for. You can just say "I don't care" but that's as good as saying you don't care who actually deserves to be MVP.

 

There's a handful of 1B's who hit like Aguilar over their first 250 PA's nearly every season it seems. Cain is top 5 in OBP and steals (>80% success rate) with gold glove defense in CF. That's absurdly valuable and rare. There's more to the game than just slugging.

[MrTPlush]

He could care less...so there is wiggle room here.

[BrewCrewForever]

My Brewers MVP's Ranked:

 

1. Cain

2. Aguilar

3. Yelich

4. Jeffress

5. Hader

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Its nice that we have many team MVP candidates (heck, League MVP candidates even). Not like that in years past.

[TooLiveBrew]

He could care less...so there is wiggle room here.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

Again I could care less about his defense BECAUSE it isn't a weakness.

It is a non factor.

I am not debating about the MVP.

I am talking about being in top 5 in 6 offensive categories.

That is unbelievable from a player with no pedigree.

I started this thread to get people talking about how well our players were doing.

It isn"t MY player against your player.

They are ALL my players, or YOUR players

[homer]

[pacopete4]

#1- Again I could care less

#2- I started this thread to get people talking about how well our players were doing.

#3- It isn"t MY player against your player.

 

1. Oh my... figure it out already.

2. No you didn’t

3. Yes it is. That’s exactly how you created this thread and attempt to defend it. You’ve had posters tell you why Cain is a better choice for an MVP (team or league) and you dismiss them.

[coolhandluke121]

I am not debating about the MVP.

...

I started this thread to get people talking about how well our players were doing.

It isn"t MY player against your player.

 

I'm reading the thread title again and it's nothing if not an invitation to argue about which Brewer is the most valuable.

 

Cain

Hader (I don't think analytics have caught up to the value of the way they've been able to leverage him)

Aguilar

Yelich

Shaw

Jeffress

Guerra

Suter

Chacin

Thames

Villar (just because it's so hard to find a better 2b these days)

Peralta

Barnes

Williams

[brewerswinNLcentral]

I wasn't talking about cain's defense.

He is a monster in CF

You keep talking about aguilar as a one dimensional player.

MYSELF, I don't care about aguilar's defense bc it is rarely talked about,

as in, it isn't hurting us.

There is no MVP debate.

If you believe that cain is the better MVP, and it isn't fair to lump aguilar with him,

then great..That is your belief.

My belief is hopefully they finish 1,2 in the MVP voting.

With hader, jeffrees coming in 3rd and peralta as rookie pitcher of the year.

Now you know all my opinions.

[TooLiveBrew]

I wasn't talking about cain's defense.

Then your thread title should be "Is Aguilar the Brewers' best hitter?"

 

Because when you ask people to discuss who is most valuable, there is more to the equation than offense alone.

 

I agree that it's awesome that we have so many good players to celebrate though!

[brewerswinNLcentral]

I know we have at least 3 other guys too, like cain, hader and jefrees,

but for my money, I say jesus aguilar

BA is .299 16 homers 50 RBIs, .350 OBP and a .955 OPS

I honest think he will hit close to 40 homers this and 100 RBIs.

He has improved and is even hitting well against RHP too

I put hader and cain a close 2nd

who is your brewer MVP

 

 

 

that is the original post.

I am not dismissing anyone.

I am saying it is very close.

If you want to think cain is that much better, that's fine.

For the tenth time, YOU say aguilar is one dimensional.

I DONT care...(i.e) his defense in no way hurts the brewers.

NOT in comparing the 2 players.

STOP bringing that up.

All I care is that aggie keeps raking and getting HR's and RBI's,

and we keep winning

STOP talking about cain's defense like I am dismissing it somehow.

I love the guy and think he is all world and I said 4 times in this thread.YEESH

[pacopete4]

I am not dismissing anyone.

I am saying it is very close.

If you want to think cain is that much better, that's fine.

For the tenth time, YOU say aguilar is one dimensional.

I DONT care...(i.e) his defense in no way hurts the brewers.

NOT in comparing the 2 players.

STOP bringing that up.

STOP talking about cain's defense like I am dismissing it somehow.

 

 

Sure sounds like you’re dismissing posters by telling them what they can and cannot post towards the discussion.

 

You may not care about defense but plenty of others do. It’s a huge part of what makes someone valuable. And that’s exactly what your thread is about. The MVP. If it’s not, change the title of your thread and just make it about stroking it to Aguilars offensive numbers. Because that’s all you really want to do in the end anyways.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

Braun should be in your top 16 somewhere.

He is batting .326 WITH RISP.

with 6 HRs and 26 RBIs, and a few game winners.

and he has made some circus catches

[homer]

Aguilar is good

He is the best we have now

MVP today