Keon Broxton

[Bulldogboy]

How do you guys feel about bringing back Keon? I think he still has value and to me Lo Cain is just the kind of guy that he needs to watch day to day to see how tools translate into being a good ball player. It would be nice to have him up as a bat off the bench with speed and help out as late inning defense on games Thames starts. If he goes off and ups his trade appeal so be it. Right now having 7 infielders and a first baseman playing the outfield isn't ideal. Love to see the guy get one more shot with Cain as his role model. Thoughts?

[adambr2]

I was a big Broxton fan coming into last year and I do still think he has value. But he was always someone who was going to need to at least cut his K rate to somewhere around 30% to really have a shot to break out. Unfortunately, the K's are still there in AAA and his other numbers aren't really impressive enough for Colorado Springs to be banging on the door here again.

 

To be fair, Phillips isn't doing anything either. If they want to call up an outfielder, between Phillips, Broxton and Santana it really makes no difference to me who it is.

[KeithStone53151]

I was a big Broxton fan coming into last year and I do still think he has value. But he was always someone who was going to need to at least cut his K rate to somewhere around 30% to really have a shot to break out. Unfortunately, the K's are still there in AAA and his other numbers aren't really impressive enough for Colorado Springs to be banging on the door here again.

 

To be fair, Phillips isn't doing anything either. If they want to call up an outfielder, between Phillips, Broxton and Santana it really makes no difference to me who it is.

 

Agreed, I don't mind Broxton or Phillips temporarily...assuming Shaw hits the DL. Santana I prefer get regular atbats for a few weeks minimum to try and get right. I view both of those guys as defense first outfielders at the moment, PH/late inning defensive replacement types...thats all. With Keon you get a plus runner off the bench as well.

[Roderick]

Agreed, I don't mind Broxton or Phillips temporarily...assuming Shaw hits the DL. ..... I view both of those guys as defense first outfielders at the moment, PH/late inning defensive replacement types...thats all. With Keon you get a plus runner off the bench as well.

 

And that is what we need, another defensive OF on the roster. Probably Phillips if Shaw goes out, as we'll have more righties in the starting lineup.

[Brew Crew Buster]

September. I don't really see much reason to do this before then unless there is an injury. He doesn't fill any important role with the Brewers and won't get many at bats so I don't see his trade value improving. People pretty much know what he is.

It seems like both Broxton and Phillips should have been traded during the previous off season. Broxton's value has fallen a little. Phillips' value has fallen more as he has failed to produce at AAA. I was hoping for better from Phillips and see keeping him during this season as largely a lost opportunity at this point. He is now an "additional piece" rather than a central figure in any trade deadline deal.

[MrTPlush]

I’d prefer Phillips if we are talking periodic ABs. I think both would suck pretty bad in that kind of role...so Phillips it is. I’d opt for the known in the really good defense.

 

Seems

[Fear The Chorizo]

Too often we wind up overvaluing players like Broxton acquired via trade to try and validate "winning" a deal - the Brewers got Broxton and Supak for another AAAA player in Mark Rogers. Broxton had solid MLB stints over the past few seasons, but in the end his extended cold spells at the plate are just too much for a team with an eye on contending to take the good with the bad - and those same cold stretches are what gives Broxton basically no trade value considering his age.

 

The Brewers still got more value in the combo of Broxton and Supak than what they gave up in Rogers - much more, actually. If he's still with the Brewers come September, I could see them calling him up when rosters expand - but even then he's not going to be a factor unless they have a late inning pinch runner need or their current outfield depth is devastated by injuries. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Broxton finds himself mashing in Japan or Korea next season, or if a rebuilding team in need of MLB roster filler takes a shot at him manning an OF position for 2019 (much like what the Brewers did when they first acquired him).

 

Phillips has been one of my biggest disappointments across the organization this season - him and Santana really need to turn things around, or else they aren't going to be Brewers much longer.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Too often we wind up overvaluing players like Broxton acquired via trade to try and validate "winning" a deal - the Brewers got Broxton and Supak for another AAAA player in Mark Rogers. Broxton had solid MLB stints over the past few seasons, but in the end his extended cold spells at the plate are just too much for a team with an eye on contending to take the good with the bad - and those same cold stretches are what gives Broxton basically no trade value considering his age.

 

The Brewers still got more value in the combo of Broxton and Supak than what they gave up in Rogers - much more, actually. If he's still with the Brewers come September, I could see them calling him up when rosters expand - but even then he's not going to be a factor unless they have a late inning pinch runner need or their current outfield depth is devastated by injuries. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Broxton finds himself mashing in Japan or Korea next season, or if a rebuilding team in need of MLB roster filler takes a shot at him manning an OF position for 2019 (much like what the Brewers did when they first acquired him).

 

Phillips has been one of my biggest disappointments across the organization this season - him and Santana really need to turn things around, or else they aren't going to be Brewers much longer.

 

Phillips is 24 and Santana is 25. I think we need to tap the brakes a bit on the "not going to be Brewers much longer" talk.

[Roderick]

- the Brewers got Broxton and Supak for another AAAA player in Mark Rogers. .

 

So we did get something for the 5th overall pick? (Jason)

[Fear The Chorizo]

I don't think it really matters what their ages are considering where they are currently with the Brewers - Phillips and Santana are OF's currently on the 40 man who are running out of minor league options, and the positions they primarily play are manned by veteran MLB starters that either have unmoveable contracts (Braun) or multiple years of team control with every expectation of them playing for the Brewers the next 3-4 seasons (Yelich, Cain). Throw in guys like Thames, where they put him in the OF to keep his bat in the lineup and the fact there are a pile of younger OF prospects just behind Phillips and Santana, and those two are going to be squeezed out as Brewers if they don't produce. 2018 was the year when Santana was supposed to establish himself as a legit middle of the order bat and Phillips could've proven to be a quality 4th OF option - both fell flat on their face, unfortunately.

[Fear The Chorizo]

- the Brewers got Broxton and Supak for another AAAA player in Mark Rogers. .

 

So we did get something for the 5th overall pick? (Jason)

 

didn't you hear, Jason likes to be called Mark...

oops!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don't think it really matters what their ages are considering where they are currently with the Brewers - Phillips and Santana are OF's currently on the 40 man who are running out of minor league options, and the positions they primarily play are manned by veteran MLB starters that either have unmoveable contracts (Braun) or multiple years of team control with every expectation of them playing for the Brewers the next 3-4 seasons (Yelich, Cain). Throw in guys like Thames, where they put him in the OF to keep his bat in the lineup and the fact there are a pile of younger OF prospects just behind Phillips and Santana, and those two are going to be squeezed out as Brewers if they don't produce. 2018 was the year when Santana was supposed to establish himself as a legit middle of the order bat and Phillips could've proven to be a quality 4th OF option - both fell flat on their face, unfortunately.

 

Well, then it's a good thing it's still June, and 2018 season performances haven't been written in stone yet. You are right ... both are underperforming, but both of those guys also have the offensive skill to pick things up very quickly, Santana especially. Three months of season is still a long time to right the ship.

[JosephC]

Have to admit I'd rather see Keon getting innings in the outfield for the Brewers ahead of Perez or Thames. Perez's bat just plays too far down as an outfielder. Thames was an absolute butcher in left last year, but I see that he does have a 0 DRS in his 49 outfield innings so far this year.

[pacopete4]

If he was actually hitting, sure maybe bring him up. Since he's struggling, in Colorado Springs no less... it's a no. He should've been traded this off season as well as Santana. But we don't know if there was any serious offers for them so it's just what I wanted more than anything.

[KeithStone53151]

Have to admit I'd rather see Keon getting innings in the outfield for the Brewers ahead of Perez or Thames. Perez's bat just plays too far down as an outfielder. Thames was an absolute butcher in left last year, but I see that he does have a 0 DRS in his 49 outfield innings so far this year.

 

Perez, absolutely. The only position that Perez bat plays well enough to be a regular is pitcher. Thames, I think you can live with subpar defense when he's hitting well. Though it absolutely makes sense to bring up a plus defender in the outfield for the bench to fill in late in games. Hopefully that's the move. Get Aguilar a bit more time at 3b and Braun in the lineup a bit more in LF.

[monty57]

I think it makes a lot of sense to bring up either Broxton or Phillips just so we have a competent defensive replacement when Thames starts in the OF. Santana couldn't fill that role since he's not good defensively, so he was wasted sitting on the bench. Broxton/Phillips could help the team, which is all you ask for from a bench player.

[brewmann04]

I think you need to have that defensive of on the bench who can also steal a base when needed.

[long ball]

I like Broxton, but he's probably a September call up at best to help with PR/Defensive substitution late in games.

 

The Brewers mess that is the middle infield is really clogging up the roster. Perez, Miller, Sogard, Villar, and Arcia for essentially two black hole positions.

[djoctagone]

provided the pitching staff isn't worn out, i'd be okay with broxton being the 26th man when the club has a doubleheader in pittsburgh next month just before the all-star break. it would be a confidence booster for him.

[MadScientist]

provided the pitching staff isn't worn out, i'd be okay with broxton being the 26th man when the club has a doubleheader in pittsburgh next month just before the all-star break. it would be a confidence booster for him.

If they call up any non-pitcher, I would think it would be Nottingham. Having a third catcher of a doubleheader in July is not the worst of ideas.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

If they called up hiura for one game, would it count anything against his clock

IF not, I would call him up for that doubleheader,

and september, for sure

IT doesnt matter if he incapable of playing defense.

Just him as a pinch hitter

[adambr2]

If they called up hiura for one game, would it count anything against his clock

IF not, I would call him up for that doubleheader,

and september, for sure

IT doesnt matter if he incapable of playing defense.

Just him as a pinch hitter

 

Yes it would count as service time. And you need to be on the 40 man roster before you can be called up.

[JohnBriggs12]

If they called up hiura for one game, would it count anything against his clock

IF not, I would call him up for that doubleheader,

and september, for sure

IT doesnt matter if he incapable of playing defense.

Just him as a pinch hitter

 

Yes it would count as service time. And you need to be on the 40 man roster before you can be called up.

 

The 40 man roster sits at 39 right now. If Shaw has to be DL'd, I give Hiura a look, and not in the 8th spot in the order either.

[djoctagone]

keon broxton, an optioned player on a major league contract, is upset that it took this long in 2018 to have a thread in the major league forum devoted to him.

 

he wants you to know that there's a thread for keston hiura, a player on a minor league contract, over in the minor league forum.

[Outlander]

Broxton is being called up and Cain to the DL.