Jurickson Profar

[SRB]

I'm sure there's been a thread on him in the past, but it's worth starting a new one with recent confirmation that the Rangers are preparing to be sellers.

 

I don't think Elvis Andrus makes any sense for us, because he is expensive through 2022 and (hopefully) we only have an immediate need at SS for 2018 while Arcia fixes his swing. Profar, on the other hand, seems like an ideal fit as a guy who can be the everyday SS this season, and then move to a utility role in 2019-2020 or whenever Arcia is ready. (Profar is controllable via arbitration through 2020.) Although it would be a little strange since they are both switch hitters, Profar's career platoon splits also complement Villar at 2B.

 

So far this season Profar is hitting .240/.317/.444/.761 with 8 HR and 41 RBI in 281 PA. He can play roughly average defense at SS/2B/3B/OF, and he's still only 25 years old.

 

How much would you give up for Profar, if anything?

[nate82]

I'm sure there's been a thread on him in the past, but it's worth starting a new one with recent confirmation that the Rangers are preparing to be sellers.

 

I don't think Elvis Andrus makes any sense for us, because he is expensive through 2022 and (hopefully) we only have an immediate need at SS for 2018 while Arcia fixes his swing. Profar, on the other hand, seems like an ideal fit as a guy who can be the everyday SS this season, and then move to a utility role in 2019-2020 or whenever Arcia is ready. (Profar is controllable via arbitration through 2020.) Although it would be a little strange since they are both switch hitters, Profar's career platoon splits also complement Villar at 2B.

 

So far this season Profar is hitting .240/.317/.444/.761 with 8 HR and 41 RBI in 281 PA. He can play roughly average defense at SS/2B/3B/OF, and he's still only 25 years old.

 

How much would you give up for Profar, if anything?

 

I have watched Profar play and his defense is not average at SS, he is not Villar bad at SS but he is not average either. At 2B he grades out to be similar to what Villar is this year. It is basically a wash replacing Villar with Profar and only a slight improvement over Arcia at SS.

[Austin Tatious]

It’d be nice if Saladino came back. He can bring this type of production.

[sheetskout]

I actually think Andrus makes a ton of sense.

[wildcat2237]

I actually think Andrus makes a ton of sense.

 

The Rangers would likely love to unload his massive contract for almost nothing. They may even kick in money. He is still owed in excess of $50 million.

 

If the Brewers have room to add salary it might be something to consider to keep the farm intact.

 

That said if he doesn't age well then the crew would have Braun Part II on their hands.

[PeaveyFury]

Andrus is interesting.... he's solid defensively, and has hit very well for the position. Hard to believe he's still only 29.

[adambr2]

Cautionary note on Andrus: he receives a full no-trade clause if traded, and his $15M option in 2023 becomes a player option.

 

So you better really like him at 5/$73M after this year to do that, and you almost have to have a deal lined up to trade Arcia to someone else.

[wallus]

Andrus is interesting because it doesn't appear that his stats are really boosted by playing in Arlington. I wouldn't be worried about him for this season or the next couple but 2022 and 2023 could be pretty bad.

[TooLiveBrew]

I couldn't believe Andrus was still only 29 either. Seems like he's been around forever.

 

There are several interesting wrinkles to his contract, including the ability to opt out after both 2018 & 2019. If he continues to be an ~.800 OPS bat, you might not need to worry about being burdened with the entirety of his remaining deal. He might be able to do better than 5/$73M as a free agent this offseason. After Machado, there aren't many attractive SS options available in FA.

 

The 2023 option year also vests, if he hits certain PA thresholds.

 

From Cot's:

 

· 18:$15M, 19:$15M, 20:$15M, 21:$14M, 22:$14M, 23:$15M club option

· 2023 option guaranteed with 550 plate appearances in 2022 or 1,100 PAs in 2021-22 combined

· 2023 option becomes player option with trade or waiver claim

· Limited no-trade protection (may block deals to 10 clubs beginning in 2016)

· If traded, Andrus receives full no-trade protection with new club

· May opt out of contract after 2018 and 2019 seasons

[pacopete4]

If you could get him and it was gaurenteed that he opted out after the season, fine. Otherwise the move doesn’t make much sense to me.

[ougiqbxy]

On MLB trade Rumors:

 

Given that the rebuilding Rangers don’t figure to contend in the next couple years, they should consider trading the likes of Jurickson Profar and Nomar Mazara this offseason, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News opines. Although the 25-year-old Profar finally began living up to his top prospect billing in 2018, and is only projected to earn $3.4MM in 2019, the infielder is not under control past 2020.

 

 

He can play passable defense all over the diamond and he started to produce last year. Only controlled for two years and under a reasonable salary this year. Could he be a better version of Hernan Perez who can actually take a walk?

[reillymcshane]

Profar is interesting for a bunch reasons.

 

1. He offers a bridge to Hiura.

2. He can play all over the diamond. Everyone loves versatility.

3. He's a switch hitter. Always nice to have. Last season he had a .792 OPS vs RHP, and a .795 OPS vs LHP. Career-wise he has hit right handers better .735 OPS vs .645 OPS - but he was very young and went through a lot of stuff - including injuries. If you got him, you would hopefully not have a guy who needed to be platooned.

4. He offers insurance at SS should Arcia have issues again at the plate.

5. Even if Hiura moves into 2B, Profar would be a valuable in 2020.

6. Hit pretty darn well last year. 20 HR, .793 OPS. Doesn't strike out a ton. We would have loved that kind of production at 2B last season.

7. With two years of control, he wouldn't cost that much.

 

Trouble with Profar is that Texas probably wants one of our young arms, such as Peralta. I think he'd be a nice addition if you could get him at a reasonable price. Just not sure of his value.

[clancyphile]

Brewers get:

IF Jurickson Profar

3B Shurten Apostel

 

Rangers get:

OF Tyrone Taylor

RHP Phil Bickford

RHP Carlos Herrera

[JosephC]

Profar is really hard to value because he was just awful with the bat before this last season.

 

That said, he was a 2.5 fWAR/bWAR player in 2018.

 

If I'm the Rangers, I wouldn't give the slightest consideration to moving him unless I was compensated for 3 WAR total over the next two years. That would put his value at just under 28 million and his surplus value would probably be somewhere around 19 million. Very much doubt that any team would want to go that high considering Profar was a bad hitter prior to last year. Putting him at 19 million would make a straight up swap of Profar and Corey Ray an even deal.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

Thames would have to be involved to off set some of Profar's salary.

[wallus]

Brewers get:

IF Jurickson Profar

3B Shurten Apostel

 

Rangers get:

OF Tyrone Taylor

RHP Phil Bickford

RHP Carlos Herrera

 

Sigh, what a huge homer trade.

[ougiqbxy]

Profar is really hard to value because he was just awful with the bat before this last season.

 

That said, he was a 2.5 fWAR/bWAR player in 2018.

 

If I'm the Rangers, I wouldn't give the slightest consideration to moving him unless I was compensated for 3 WAR total over the next two years. That would put his value at just under 28 million and his surplus value would probably be somewhere around 19 million. Very much doubt that any team would want to go that high considering Profar was a bad hitter prior to last year. Putting him at 19 million would make a straight up swap of Profar and Corey Ray an even deal.

 

 

I would do Corey Ray for Jurickson Profar in a heartbeat.

[reillymcshane]

Profar is really hard to value because he was just awful with the bat before this last season.

 

That said, he was a 2.5 fWAR/bWAR player in 2018.

 

If I'm the Rangers, I wouldn't give the slightest consideration to moving him unless I was compensated for 3 WAR total over the next two years. That would put his value at just under 28 million and his surplus value would probably be somewhere around 19 million. Very much doubt that any team would want to go that high considering Profar was a bad hitter prior to last year. Putting him at 19 million would make a straight up swap of Profar and Corey Ray an even deal.

JosephC, thanks for doing the value stuff when looking at trades. I love seeing it. Appreciate that you take the time to share this kind of thing.

[Humans Need Water]

Profar is really hard to value because he was just awful with the bat before this last season.

 

That said, he was a 2.5 fWAR/bWAR player in 2018.

 

If I'm the Rangers, I wouldn't give the slightest consideration to moving him unless I was compensated for 3 WAR total over the next two years. That would put his value at just under 28 million and his surplus value would probably be somewhere around 19 million. Very much doubt that any team would want to go that high considering Profar was a bad hitter prior to last year. Putting him at 19 million would make a straight up swap of Profar and Corey Ray an even deal.

There's no way that's an even deal in reality though. Profar was brutal his first 3yrs. And even in 2018 he was a 105 OPS+ so he had a solid year offensively but nothing super impressive and he plays below average defense with 2yrs control remaining. Ray is about to be in AAA and a Top 100. It doesn't make any sense for the Brewers to make that deal because of Ray's potential combined with us already having Arcia, Aguilar, Shaw still controlled for at least several years + Hiura up this year at some point most likely.

[clancyphile]

Brewers get:

IF Jurickson Profar

3B Shurten Apostel

 

Rangers get:

OF Tyrone Taylor

RHP Phil Bickford

RHP Carlos Herrera

 

Sigh, what a huge homer trade.

 

Taylor gives the Rangers a young controllable CF - they had atrocious production from that position. Herrera and bickford are lottery tickets to add some value, but the Rangers get Taylor for six years.

[wallus]

 

Taylor gives the Rangers a young controllable CF - they had atrocious production from that position. Herrera and bickford are lottery tickets to add some value, but the Rangers get Taylor for six years.

 

6 years of crap is still worth nothing.

[clancyphile]

 

Taylor gives the Rangers a young controllable CF - they had atrocious production from that position. Herrera and bickford are lottery tickets to add some value, but the Rangers get Taylor for six years.

 

6 years of crap is still worth nothing.

 

The primary CF for the Rangers had a .591 OPS.

 

Taylor would fill that hole for them...

[Humans Need Water]

 

Taylor gives the Rangers a young controllable CF - they had atrocious production from that position. Herrera and bickford are lottery tickets to add some value, but the Rangers get Taylor for six years.

 

6 years of crap is still worth nothing.

 

The primary CF for the Rangers had a .591 OPS.

 

Taylor would fill that hole for them...

Taylor himself is a hole. Going from a 57 OPS+ to a whatever Taylor would give them (not much more) doesn't move the needle. They wouldn't be targeting Taylor anyway if we're having conversations it would be Broxton who would make the most sense as he has 4yrs cheap control, great defense and 20/40 potential.

 

More importantly, Profar does nothing for the current Brewers team. If Stearns is getting a 2b it's going to be a vet on a 1-2yr contract who is a proven performer.

[Outlander]

I wouldn't say Profar does nothing for the Brewers. He would be cost controlled for two more years and could provide some insurance for Arcia if he struggles again this year.

[Humans Need Water]

I wouldn't say Profar does nothing for the Brewers. He would be cost controlled for two more years and could provide some insurance for Arcia if he struggles again this year.

Dubon - and he costs us zero prospects. Again, if Stearns is targeting a 2b it's going to be a productive vet as the placeholder. Not a guy that was pure trash until 2018 and you're flipping a coin on what to expect performance wise moving forward. That type of player does nothing for us right now.