Mets ready to clean house?

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Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Mets are ready to listen to trade offers for "virtually everyone" on their roster.

 

Rosenthal notes that the Mets would understandably prefer to keep their young, controllable talent, but he also adds that the club is more open to moving Noah Syndergaard (under team control through 2021) than staff ace Jacob deGrom (under team control through 2020). Obviously it would take a huge haul for them to part with either pitcher, but they are keeping an open mind. Probably the most realistic name to be moved is closer Jeurys Familia, who is due to become a free agent following the season. Asdrubal Cabrera also makes sense as a possible trade chip for New York.

 

Source: The Athletic Jun 18 - 1:01 PM

[statman0007]

Trying to even imagine what kind of offer would interest them on guys like that. Syndergaard for Davies, Hiura, Peralta, and Burnes? I'd probably do that to get a true #1 for 3.5 of his peak performance years.

[pacopete4]

Seth Lugo would be a nice get.

[Warning Track Power]

Trying to even imagine what kind of offer would interest them on guys like that. Syndergaard for Davies, Hiura, Peralta, and Burnes? I'd probably do that to get a true #1 for 3.5 of his peak performance years.

I doubt they have interest in Davies. However, Hiura, Burnes, Peralta and a fourth nice piece (Lutz) is probably what it will take. I would swallow down hard and do it as getting an Ace for 3.5 years is worth it. If Nelson comes back to anything close to 2017 Nelson, a playoff rotation of Syndergaard-Nelson-Anderson is very competitive with Scherzer-Strasburg-Gio, Kershaw-Hill-Maeda or Quintana-Lester-Darvish.

[KeithStone53151]

I think there's a massive gap between Syndergaard and Degrom. I've seen what some people think Degrom is worth...and if they are more right than I am, I can't even imagine what the ask would be on Syndergaard. The Brewers are probably between 6 and 10th best farm in baseball depending on the source, and I can't imagine the Mets letting him go without getting a significant major league piece along with most of our best prospects. I simply don't have any interest in doing that. With that said, the likely ask severely limits the number of teams even capable of making the move...the Mets will likely be asking some of the top farms in baseball to give up most of their best prospects for 3.5 years of a potentially elite yet injury prone pitcher. I'm super curious how a trade would look if it happened, though my guess is between the Mets front office being generally terrible at executing trades to put it nicely...and the value/asking price involved...Syndergaard or Degrom don't get dealt.

 

I fully expect they deal Familia though, virtual guarantee...though probably not to us. Maybe the Cubs can offer the rest of their farm for him, and we can counter with Gatewood and trump their offer. I actually think the Cardinals and Indians are serious players for Familia.

 

For the Brewers, I could see looking at Cabrera...though I don't think we want him at SS. And with Villar playing better at 2b he may not be a fit aside from replacing Perez/Sogard on the bench.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Regarding...

 

Thor (3.5 years of control)

 

for

 

Huira

Burnes

Peralta

Lutz (or similar)

 

...I don't think the Mets would consider trading him for prospects alone. I think at least one proven, controllable MLB player would have to be added to our top 3 prospects in order for the Mets to even stay on the phone.

[bill hAll Star]

I think there's a massive gap between Syndergaard and Degrom. I've seen what some people think Degrom is worth...and if they are more right than I am, I can't even imagine what the ask would be on Syndergaard. The Brewers are probably between 6 and 10th best farm in baseball depending on the source, and I can't imagine the Mets letting him go without getting a significant major league piece along with most of our best prospects. I simply don't have any interest in doing that. With that said, the likely ask severely limits the number of teams even capable of making the move...the Mets will likely be asking some of the top farms in baseball to give up most of their best prospects for 3.5 years of a potentially elite yet injury prone pitcher. I'm super curious how a trade would look if it happened, though my guess is between the Mets front office being generally terrible at executing trades to put it nicely...and the value/asking price involved...Syndergaard or Degrom don't get dealt.

 

I fully expect they deal Familia though, virtual guarantee...though probably not to us. Maybe the Cubs can offer the rest of their farm for him, and we can counter with Gatewood and trump their offer. I actually think the Cardinals and Indians are serious players for Familia.

 

For the Brewers, I could see looking at Cabrera...though I don't think we want him at SS. And with Villar playing better at 2b he may not be a fit aside from replacing Perez/Sogard on the bench.

 

Supposedly Cabrera is very hobbled and is not looking full strength but is kinda toughing it out because they have such little depth and so many injuries given their extremely old set of position players. Might just be short-term and I'd consider him, but I don't value him a whole lot higher than Miller/Villar/Perez in some sort of platoon at 2B and I honestly do not know what would be at SS, so I pretty much agree there.

 

As a sidenote, I do enjoy the theme that creeps into every post, even if unrelated to the point made in the post:

 

1. There is a big market bias from the media in baseball.

2. The Cubs have a bad farm system from recent moves (and hence are stupid).

3. Free agents/30+ year old players/large contracts are really, really bad and everyone knows it now.

 

Personally, I don't think I'd deal for Thor but I guess I'd trust Stearns if his opinion was that the offer was worth it similar to the Yelich deal. I'd prefer deGrom slightly more given that he may (?) cost a little less but I still don't think either happen.

[KeithStone53151]

Supposedly Cabrera is very hobbled and is not looking full strength but is kinda toughing it out because they have such little depth and so many injuries given their extremely old set of position players. Might just be short-term and I'd consider him, but I don't value him a whole lot higher than Miller/Villar/Perez in some sort of platoon at 2B and I honestly do not know what would be at SS, so I pretty much agree there.

 

As a sidenote, I do enjoy the theme that creeps into every post, even if unrelated to the point made in the post:

 

1. There is a big market bias from the media in baseball.

2. The Cubs have a bad farm system from recent moves (and hence are stupid).

3. Free agents/30+ year old players/large contracts are really, really bad and everyone knows it now.

 

Are you referring to me specifically? I'm pretty sure I only hit on one of the three in this specific post. Also I think a good number of posters don't find the Cubs model to be stupid.

 

I think it's fair that Cabrera doesn't do much more for us than Miller/Villar/Perez, and if he is hobbled then maybe we simply avoid him. It's probably the best potential match with us though. I can't see us adding an OF bat or a reliever, and they don't have much else beyond that and their 2 star pitchers.

[mattyo]

I really don't think we end up trading Hiura, but if we were going to, Thor would be the exact target Stearns would choose.

[MrTPlush]

I just have a hard time seeing us make that major of a trade so soon after using major prospects to get Yelich. That would be two insane packages traded away in half a years time.

 

Seems like a lot of prospect capital getting shown the door in a short period of time. I’m pretty indifferent on making such a trade or not. It’s definitely worth it, but the prospect hit (especially after Yelich) would be a heck of a lot.

[splitterpfj]

I just have a hard time seeing us make that major of a trade so soon after using major prospects to get Yelich. That would be two insane packages traded away in half a years time.

 

Seems like a lot of prospect capital getting shown the door in a short period of time. I’m pretty indifferent on making such a trade or not. It’s definitely worth it, but the prospect hit (especially after Yelich) would be a heck of a lot.

 

I agree, I don't consider it likely, but, either of these pitchers would offer multiple years of control beyond this season, which has to intrigue Stearns. I doubt the Brewers will make another 4-for-1 type deal right now, but I sure wouldn't call it impossible given the skill set, and contract of each of these pitchers.

 

This is interesting - Stearns doesn't want a lack of organizational depth, but he's also willing to pay for something he thinks will make a big difference - I'd love to hear the conversations.

[OnaBadger58]

I just have a hard time seeing us make that major of a trade so soon after using major prospects to get Yelich. That would be two insane packages traded away in half a years time.

 

Seems like a lot of prospect capital getting shown the door in a short period of time. I’m pretty indifferent on making such a trade or not. It’s definitely worth it, but the prospect hit (especially after Yelich) would be a heck of a lot.

 

Agreed. Not sure I'm want to end up with a farm system like what the Cubs currently have. We spent a good chunk of time (less than expected) building up a very respectable minors system, it would be tough to see it take such a big hit after a couple trades. Of course, I do understand both sides of the argument, and not every year are talents like Syndergaard and deGrom available.

[jackailius]

What if we went a little deeper in our system. I understand they want quality and we may have a difficult time getting Thor without including both Hiura and Burnes but what if we started with 1 of Burnes/Peralta, Ortiz, Erceg, Phillips, 1 of Ray/Lutz, 1 of Diplan/Ponce/Lemons. It thows several top 100s out there. Allows us to hold on to some of our depth in Woodruff and either Peralta or Burnes while also clearing some space for the upcoming 40man crunch. From there side it protects against the inevitable flameout of 1 or 2 prospects by getting several top or past top 100 guys. I also wonder if taking back a contract from them may help too given they are at $150M for the year and likely not feeling great about the cost given the results. Perhaps taking on one of their contracts and throwing Davies- who has had some success at the back of a rotation and is cheap may make some sense for them and could sway things a bit.

[MrTPlush]

You aren’t getting Thor without Hiura. Plain and simple. Their supposed preference for young pitching tells me the preferred of Peralta/Burnes is definitely gone. Maybe you can can cute with lower level guys after that...but Hiura and our top pitcher would be good as gone.

[KeithStone53151]

What if we went a little deeper in our system. I understand they want quality and we may have a difficult time getting Thor without including both Hiura and Burnes but what if we started with 1 of Burnes/Peralta, Ortiz, Erceg, Phillips, 1 of Ray/Lutz, 1 of Diplan/Ponce/Lemons. It thows several top 100s out there. Allows us to hold on to some of our depth in Woodruff and either Peralta or Burnes while also clearing some space for the upcoming 40man crunch. From there side it protects against the inevitable flameout of 1 or 2 prospects by getting several top or past top 100 guys. I also wonder if taking back a contract from them may help too given they are at $150M for the year and likely not feeling great about the cost given the results. Perhaps taking on one of their contracts and throwing Davies- who has had some success at the back of a rotation and is cheap may make some sense for them and could sway things a bit.

 

For Syndergaard, I really don't think that gets us close. I'm not entirely sure Hiura + Burnes is enough of a centerpiece for him. 3.5 years of control for arguably the filthiest arm in all of baseball. Then again, I think it's going to be difficult for many teams to come up with a package significant enough in my opinion to be equal value to Syndergaard right now. I personally don't think Syndergaard moves, I don't see an offer coming through that would incline them to move him now...and if they move him for a lesser package it probably will be because they don't trust his health and want to get value now.

[TURBO]

Thor's injury history HAS to drop his price a little bit. Right?

 

I don't want t a guy that hits the DL 2 or 3 times a year, just not a prudent situation.

 

In all honesty, I'd rather have deGrom, but he is only controlled through 2020.

[danzig6767]

Thor's injury history HAS to drop his price a little bit. Right?

 

I don't want t a guy that hits the DL 2 or 3 times a year, just not a prudent situation.

 

In all honesty, I'd rather have deGrom, but he is only controlled through 2020.

I agree

 

deGrom is just as good of a pitcher, on the surface at least, seems a better health risk, and likely would cost a bit less than Syndergaard.

 

That said, i don't like the idea of shelling out the massive prospect cost it would take to get either, especially given every pitcher by nature of the position is a health risk.

[JosephC]

I'd be very interested in Asdrubal Cabrera if he could still play shortstop, which is something I don't think he can do anymore. Certainly would trust his bat way, way more than any of the middle infielders the Brewers have now.

[SRB]

With Syndergaard, you'd be getting 3.5 years of a 25-year-old ace who at his best pitches as good as anyone in the world. Even factoring in his recent injury history, the cost of Syndergaard has to be staggering.

 

I don't think I can remember a player with more value being traded?

[Eye Black]

With Syndergaard, you'd be getting 3.5 years of a 25-year-old ace who at his best pitches as good as anyone in the world. Even factoring in his recent injury history, the cost of Syndergaard has to be staggering.

 

I don't think I can remember a player with more value being traded?

The closest pitcher comparable I can think of would be Chris Sale traded with three years of team control remaining.

[MadThinker88]

With Syndergaard, you'd be getting 3.5 years of a 25-year-old ace who at his best pitches as good as anyone in the world. Even factoring in his recent injury history, the cost of Syndergaard has to be staggering.

 

I don't think I can remember a player with more value being traded?

The closest pitcher comparable I can think of would be Chris Sale traded with three years of team control remaining.

 

And the Sale deal netted 4 prospects for the ChiSox including a couple top guys (Kopech & Moncada)

 

December 6, 2016: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the Boston Red Sox for Luis Alexander Basabe (minors), Victor Diaz (minors), Michael Kopech (minors) and Yoan Moncada.

[shanedog19]

Honestly, if we could get Swarzak back for cheap, I'd gladly take him. He was a big reason for our 2nd half surge last year, and we most definitely need bullpen help.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Honestly, if we could get Swarzak back for cheap, I'd gladly take him. He was a big reason for our 2nd half surge last year, and we most definitely need bullpen help.

 

I don't know about that. Right now the pen is this team's strength in my opinion.

[wildcat2237]

With Syndergaard, you'd be getting 3.5 years of a 25-year-old ace who at his best pitches as good as anyone in the world. Even factoring in his recent injury history, the cost of Syndergaard has to be staggering.

 

I don't think I can remember a player with more value being traded?

The closest pitcher comparable I can think of would be Chris Sale traded with three years of team control remaining.

 

Or Greinke when he was traded to the Brewers from the Royals. We had to back up the truck and unload our farm system on that one. Granted, the move got the crew to the NLCS.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'd be very interested in Asdrubal Cabrera if he could still play shortstop, which is something I don't think he can do anymore. Certainly would trust his bat way, way more than any of the middle infielders the Brewers have now.

 

Cabrera would be a nice pickup. There's such a huge drop off from the top 5 hitters to the bottom 4 in the Brewer order and Cabrera would fit nicely in the 6th spot. I'd be inclined to swap Villar straight up, and let him play 2B. Cabrera has yet to make an error in 28 starts at 2B.