Davies Injury Update [7/25 -- "Setback"; back tightness]

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Didn't say he couldn't. However pointing to one outing at AA (that I am sure Briggs or 95% of this forum didn't watch) and saying Davies is back seems like a bit of an overreaction. He constantly was terrible at the MLB level and even in the minors...one start and we should throw him in the rotation.

 

I think you are putting words into a lot of posters' mouths here. No one is saying that the 2017 version of Zach Davies is undoubtedly back. What I personally am advocating for, though, is giving a guy that was pretty terrific last year a couple starts at the MLB level to see if he could be a rotation asset down the stretch. But you go into it cautiously. You have the pen ready to roll, and if Davies starts getting smacked around, you pull him, and shut him down for the year.

[tmwiese55]

I see the logic of optioning him and letting him get one more start and seeing how it goes. You don't have to mess with sending someone else down, you have an off day Monday so don't really need another starter, Peralta was great last game whereas if he was bad again maybe you pull him out. I think that's the route I would go given Davies season so far.

[MrTPlush]

 

Didn't say he couldn't. However pointing to one outing at AA (that I am sure Briggs or 95% of this forum didn't watch) and saying Davies is back seems like a bit of an overreaction. He constantly was terrible at the MLB level and even in the minors...one start and we should throw him in the rotation.

 

I think you are putting words into a lot of posters' mouths here. No one is saying that the 2017 version of Zach Davies is undoubtedly back. What I personally am advocating for, though, is giving a guy that was pretty terrific last year a couple starts at the MLB level to see if he could be a rotation asset down the stretch. But you go into it cautiously. You have the pen ready to roll, and if Davies starts getting smacked around, you pull him, and shut him down for the year.

 

No I am not. Briggs said "as evidence by his Biloxi start"

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Didn't say he couldn't. However pointing to one outing at AA (that I am sure Briggs or 95% of this forum didn't watch) and saying Davies is back seems like a bit of an overreaction. He constantly was terrible at the MLB level and even in the minors...one start and we should throw him in the rotation.

 

I think you are putting words into a lot of posters' mouths here. No one is saying that the 2017 version of Zach Davies is undoubtedly back. What I personally am advocating for, though, is giving a guy that was pretty terrific last year a couple starts at the MLB level to see if he could be a rotation asset down the stretch. But you go into it cautiously. You have the pen ready to roll, and if Davies starts getting smacked around, you pull him, and shut him down for the year.

 

No I am not. Briggs said "as evidence by his Biloxi start"

 

Briggs said "As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form."

 

In my mind "rounding into form" means he's getting there, and getting him up to MLB is the next step. Perhaps you interpreted it differently than I did.

[pacopete4]

-Davies wasn’t good this year... check.

-Davies was good for multiple years before this year... check.

-Davies is only 25 years old... check.

[MrTPlush]

Briggs said "As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form."

 

In my mind "rounding into form" means he's getting there, and getting him up to MLB is the next step. Perhaps you interpreted it differently than I did.

 

And his last two starts prior were trash and 3/4 were trash. So he thinks he is rounding into form after one start that he probably didn't watch? Was he rounding into form on the 6th too?

 

A quick (quick) glance and it appears he faced a lot of not so great AA hitters last night. Just jumping the gun a bit there in my opinion. A blind squirrel will find a nut occasionally.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Briggs said "As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form."

 

In my mind "rounding into form" means he's getting there, and getting him up to MLB is the next step. Perhaps you interpreted it differently than I did.

 

And his last two starts prior were trash and 3/4 were trash. So he thinks he is rounding into form after one start that he probably didn't watch? Was he rounding into form on the 6th too?

 

A quick (quick) glance and it appears he faced a lot of not so great AA hitters last night. Just jumping the gun a bit there in my opinion. A blind squirrel will find a nut occasionally.

 

So we shouldn't be optimistic about a guy who had a great season last year perhaps giving the rotation a boost over the final month? Davies has a season and a half of being a very good starting pitcher on his resume. Yeah, the results have not been there this year, but in my opinion, completely writing him off as a lost cause in 2018 is jumping the gun as well.

[MrTPlush]

So we shouldn't be optimistic about a guy who had a great season last year perhaps giving the rotation a boost over the final month? Davies has a season and a half of being a very good starting pitcher on his resume. Yeah, the results have not been there this year, but in my opinion, completely writing him off as a lost cause in 2018 is jumping the gun as well.

 

I don't recall saying he is a lost cause? Id certainly send him to the bullpen, but I am not really looking to hand him a rotation spot. If Guerra struggles a few more times...maybe then.

[Thurston Fluff]

I don't think you can read too much from the results of minor league rehab starts. Doubly so after this long a layoff. It's like looking at a veteran pitcher's spring numbers. He's probably working on getting a feel for all his pitches and might not even have been going max effort in the first few outings. If he's physically ready I'd be happy to have him back starting.

[Roderick]

I don't think you can read too much from the results of minor league rehab starts. Doubly so after this long a layoff. It's like looking at a veteran pitcher's spring numbers. He's probably working on getting a feel for all his pitches and might not even have been going max effort in the first few outings. If he's physically ready I'd be happy to have him back starting.

 

I highly doubt that after getting worked over by A and AAA batters throughout his seemingly-forever rehab start and stops, and basically close to his last rehab appearance, he was working on his stuff. I would be willing to bet he was throwing max effort.

[Thurston Fluff]

I don't think you can read too much from the results of minor league rehab starts. Doubly so after this long a layoff. It's like looking at a veteran pitcher's spring numbers. He's probably working on getting a feel for all his pitches and might not even have been going max effort in the first few outings. If he's physically ready I'd be happy to have him back starting.

 

I highly doubt that after getting worked over by A and AAA batters throughout his seemingly-forever rehab start and stops, and basically close to his last rehab appearance, he was working on his stuff. I would be willing to bet he was throwing max effort.

 

My point is rehab starts, especially the early ones after a long DL stint, are not about results. They are about getting ready to return to the majors. I think the fact he is starting to do better probably means he's getting closer to being back. To discard the latest rehab game because his earlier ones were less effective is to ignore the fact that someone out as long as he was isn't going to treat early rehab start the same as someone who missed a couple weeks or a month. He had to know he wasn't going to have just one or two rehab starts then come back and he worked on it more like spring training than a one or two start rehab.

[MrTPlush]

My point is rehab starts, especially the early ones after a long DL stint, are not about results. They are about getting ready to return to the majors. I think the fact he is starting to do better probably means he's getting closer to being back. To discard the latest rehab game because his earlier ones were less effective is to ignore the fact that someone out as long as he was isn't going to treat early rehab start the same as someone who missed a couple weeks or a month. He had to know he wasn't going to have just one or two rehab starts then come back and he worked on it more like spring training than a one or two start rehab.

 

Starting to do better though? The two starts prior were terrible. Starting to do well, in my opinion, would be multiple starts. Not one appearance.

[Thurston Fluff]

My point is rehab starts, especially the early ones after a long DL stint, are not about results. They are about getting ready to return to the majors. I think the fact he is starting to do better probably means he's getting closer to being back. To discard the latest rehab game because his earlier ones were less effective is to ignore the fact that someone out as long as he was isn't going to treat early rehab start the same as someone who missed a couple weeks or a month. He had to know he wasn't going to have just one or two rehab starts then come back and he worked on it more like spring training than a one or two start rehab.

 

Starting to do better though? The two starts prior would terrible. Starting to do well, in my opinion, would be multiple starts. Not one appearance.

 

He needs to make sure all his pitches are hitting the spots he needs them to hit. In a rehab start he very well might throw the same pitch in the same location ten times in a row just to make sure he can hit that spot every time he needs to. He may go heavy on the fastball for three innings then switch to almost all change ups. Some of them are likely to get hit but not allowing any of them to become hits wasn't the point of throwing ten in a row. While everyone wants to make sure he's ready fans only have results to go on. I don't think that matters factors into their views the same way.

[KeithStone53151]

Somewhat limited sample size, but Miley has been the best of the bunch this year. Why would he go to the pen given his production as a starter? Besides, Peralta is coming up on what likely will be his innings cap for the year (130.1IP this year, 120IP last year).

 

Stearns stated they have no innings limit on Peralta.

 

However, that doesn't mean Peralta won't just get gassed here soon and turn into a noodle arm BP pitcher.

 

Have you actually seen that? I'm not finding it anywhere. It would seem silly to have no restrictions on a 21 year old that has never thrown more than 130 innings.

[pacopete4]

One start. Two starts. Three starts. In the end we know what Davies can do when healthy. There’s almost 70 starts as a major league pitcher to show you it. He’s not a stud. But when he’s healthy, he can be Chacin’esque and that would be just dandy right now.

[djoctagone]

Stearns stated they have no innings limit on Peralta.

it is evidence-based that this was declared by david stearns.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

One start. Two starts. Three starts. In the end we know what Davies can do when healthy. There’s almost 70 starts as a major league pitcher to show you it. He’s not a stud. But when he’s healthy, he can be Chacin’esque and that would be just dandy right now.

 

Spot on. He's a proven MLB starter when healthy. I'd be willing to give him a chance to prove that in the coming weeks.

[brewmann04]

I give a few starts to see what he capable of doing on his return.

[LouisEly]

Davies optioned to the T-Rats:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/brewers-option-corey-knebel-zach-davies.html

 

Interesting because as of 9/1 when rosters can expand, MIL will be playing at WAS. You'd think that Carolina would be more logical from a logistics standpoint.

 

However, the Brewers start a 3-game homestand with the Cubs on 9/3. You can bet it will be all hands on deck for that series.

[brewmann04]

I concur with all hands on deck comment.

[markedman5]

Davies optioned to the T-Rats:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/brewers-option-corey-knebel-zach-davies.html

 

Interesting because as of 9/1 when rosters can expand, MIL will be playing at WAS. You'd think that Carolina would be more logical from a logistics standpoint.

 

However, the Brewers start a 3-game homestand with the Cubs on 9/3. You can bet it will be all hands on deck for that series.

 

He has to stay down for 10 days once optioned so couldn't have been recalled on 9/1 anyway right?

[Ennder]

Stearns saying something isn't really evidence given how much GMs try to obfuscate the facts for other teams. Peralta threw 120 IP in 2017 so he is probably good for something like 150-160 IP this year. He is at 128 now with probably 6 stats left on the season. If he goes 5 IP per start that is 158 and in the range. It isn't until the playoffs where his IP gets heavily muddled if we make it.

[MrTPlush]

Stearns saying something isn't really evidence given how much GMs try to obfuscate the facts for other teams. Peralta threw 120 IP in 2017 so he is probably good for something like 150-160 IP this year. He is at 128 now with probably 6 stats left on the season. If he goes 5 IP per start that is 158 and in the range. It isn't until the playoffs where his IP gets heavily muddled if we make it.

 

At which point you care about nothing other than winning a trophy. They won’t shut him down come postseason time. At worst they send him to the pen for the postseason.

[djoctagone]

Davies optioned to the T-Rats:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/brewers-option-corey-knebel-zach-davies.html

 

Interesting because as of 9/1 when rosters can expand, MIL will be playing at WAS. You'd think that Carolina would be more logical from a logistics standpoint.

 

However, the Brewers start a 3-game homestand with the Cubs on 9/3. You can bet it will be all hands on deck for that series.

an optioned player is required to physically report to the club. by sending davies to the timber rattlers, he's able to make a quick drive up interstate 41 and report during the team's homestand. i wouldn't be surprised if he's promoted to a higher level almost immediately.

 

provided davies spends less than 20 days optioned, he will not burn his final option.

[LouisEly]

Davies optioned to the T-Rats:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/brewers-option-corey-knebel-zach-davies.html

 

Interesting because as of 9/1 when rosters can expand, MIL will be playing at WAS. You'd think that Carolina would be more logical from a logistics standpoint.

 

However, the Brewers start a 3-game homestand with the Cubs on 9/3. You can bet it will be all hands on deck for that series.

 

He has to stay down for 10 days once optioned so couldn't have been recalled on 9/1 anyway right?

Not necessarily true:

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/september-callups-and-roster-rules-explained/c-198674756

 

If that team's season ends he can be recalled prior to 10-days.