Davies Injury Update [7/25 -- "Setback"; back tightness]

[Brewever]

I feel bad for this kid, seems like a really good dude. I hope he can come back next year strong and be are number #1 road starter. Furthermore I hope this doesn't endanger his career as he didn't look good at all this year.

[FVBrewerFan]

Strong outing tonight, looks like he's ready. What now? With all the off days they barely need 5 starters let alone 6. Tough to send Peralta down after this start, and hes really not a pen option. But they do need a LHP in the pen, so moving Miley there has to be considered?

[Baldkin]

Honest question, do they have a reason to make the decision before Sept 1?

[JohnBriggs12]

Strong outing tonight, looks like he's ready. What now? With all the off days they barely need 5 starters let alone 6. Tough to send Peralta down after this start, and hes really not a pen option. But they do need a LHP in the pen, so moving Miley there has to be considered?

 

I could see them going with 6 starters. They have basically one off day per week. That's one start per week for all but Chacin who likely would start every 5 days. Enough to keep them sharp, but also allow them to be strong.

[folly412]

Think a move has to be made since he's maxed out the rehab without being shut down? Send him down, call him up when rosters expand to avoid burning the option. Or he can take Lyles spot and be long relief. Not convinced we should force in a 6th starter in what should be a 4 1/2 man rotation the rest of the way.

[djoctagone]

Honest question, do they have a reason to make the decision before Sept 1?

minor league rehab assignments for pitchers cannot exceed 30 days. however, with approval of the mlb commissioner, if a pitcher incurs a new (different) injury or illness or suffers a recurrence of the previous injury or illness while on a rehab assignment, he must be recalled from his rehab assignment and remain inactive for at least seven days before starting another minor league rehab assignment.

 

assuming the brewers petitioned the commissioner, davies' current rehab assignment started 27 july, so the 30-day window is closing fast.

 

davies will have to be recalled or optioned before 1 september.

[MrTPlush]

They will just option him and then bring him back up in Spetember. It effects nothing to do it that way.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Think a move has to be made since he's maxed out the rehab without being shut down? Send him down, call him up when rosters expand to avoid burning the option. Or he can take Lyles spot and be long relief. Not convinced we should force in a 6th starter in what should be a 4 1/2 man rotation the rest of the way.

 

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year.

[FVBrewerFan]

Think a move has to be made since he's maxed out the rehab without being shut down? Send him down, call him up when rosters expand to avoid burning the option. Or he can take Lyles spot and be long relief. Not convinced we should force in a 6th starter in what should be a 4 1/2 man rotation the rest of the way.

 

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year.

 

I don't agree how you put this, but agree with your general point. Davies on top of his game would be a big addition to the rotation. But is that the Davies we would be getting? And we're headed into September, so no time for experiments.

 

That said, I think you need to take risks to get over the top, especially a team like the Brewers. Maybe let him start, and if he just doesn't have it be prepared for Miley or Peralta to take over early.

 

Here's a nice list of ifs for you. If it's the good Davies, if Anderson can keep a few more balls in the park, and if we see more of the untouchable Peralta the rotation looks much better. Chacin and Guerra are pretty much known quantities. Chacin has pitched well all year, and Guerra will generally keep you in games.

 

I would roll with Anderson, Chacin, Davies, Guerra, Peralta and use Miley in the pen, as they could really use a lefty there. You can always put Miley back in the rotation if someone is injured or awful.

[MrTPlush]

Think a move has to be made since he's maxed out the rehab without being shut down? Send him down, call him up when rosters expand to avoid burning the option. Or he can take Lyles spot and be long relief. Not convinced we should force in a 6th starter in what should be a 4 1/2 man rotation the rest of the way.

 

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year.

 

So would I....but is that really likely. Peralta didn't implode his last start so he won't get an opportunity there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Think a move has to be made since he's maxed out the rehab without being shut down? Send him down, call him up when rosters expand to avoid burning the option. Or he can take Lyles spot and be long relief. Not convinced we should force in a 6th starter in what should be a 4 1/2 man rotation the rest of the way.

 

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year.

 

So would I....but is that really likely. Peralta didn't implode his last start so he won't get an opportunity there.

 

Likely? No, but it is certainly possible. Davies was terrific last year, so he has it in him. There is only one way to find out.

[MrTPlush]

Likely? No, but it is certainly possible. Davies was terrific last year, so he has it in him. There is only one way to find out.

 

Who are you giving the boot for Davies? He now has 18 starts this year MLB/MiLB and has been brutal both places. Why does he even deserve a shot at the rotation at this point?

 

Guerra has been bad, but wasn't bad his last time out. I guess if he bombs a few more times maybe you make a move there.

[TigerUppercut]

Think a move has to be made since he's maxed out the rehab without being shut down? Send him down, call him up when rosters expand to avoid burning the option. Or he can take Lyles spot and be long relief. Not convinced we should force in a 6th starter in what should be a 4 1/2 man rotation the rest of the way.

 

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year.

 

I don't agree how you put this, but agree with your general point. Davies on top of his game would be a big addition to the rotation. But is that the Davies we would be getting? And we're headed into September, so no time for experiments.

 

That said, I think you need to take risks to get over the top, especially a team like the Brewers. Maybe let him start, and if he just doesn't have it be prepared for Miley or Peralta to take over early.

 

Here's a nice list of ifs for you. If it's the good Davies, if Anderson can keep a few more balls in the park, and if we see more of the untouchable Peralta the rotation looks much better. Chacin and Guerra are pretty much known quantities. Chacin has pitched well all year, and Guerra will generally keep you in games.

 

I would roll with Anderson, Chacin, Davies, Guerra, Peralta and use Miley in the pen, as they could really use a lefty there. You can always put Miley back in the rotation if someone is injured or awful.

 

Somewhat limited sample size, but Miley has been the best of the bunch this year. Why would he go to the pen given his production as a starter? Besides, Peralta is coming up on what likely will be his innings cap for the year (130.1IP this year, 120IP last year).

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Likely? No, but it is certainly possible. Davies was terrific last year, so he has it in him. There is only one way to find out.

 

Who are you giving the boot for Davies? He now has 18 starts this year MLB/MiLB and has been brutal both places. Why does he even deserve a shot at the rotation at this point?

 

Guerra has been bad, but wasn't bad his last time out. I guess if he bombs a few more times maybe you make a move there.

 

It's definitely a good problem to have. I guess I would move Guerra to a relief role for the time being. Wade Miley could very well turn back into a pumpkin at any time. Despite his spectacular start yesterday, Freddy Peralta has been pretty bad the last month or so. Right now the team has some starting pitching depth, but it is precarious.

[MrTPlush]

Somewhat limited sample size, but Miley has been the best of the bunch this year. Why would he go to the pen given his production as a starter? Besides, Peralta is coming up on what likely will be his innings cap for the year (130.1IP this year, 120IP last year).

 

Stearns stated they have no innings limit on Peralta.

 

However, that doesn't mean Peralta won't just get gassed here soon and turn into a noodle arm BP pitcher.

[Roderick]

 

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year.

 

So would I....but is that really likely. Peralta didn't implode his last start so he won't get an opportunity there.

 

.....Davies was terrific last year, .....There is only one way to find out.

 

Very much disagree. He has one good pitching appearance in AA out of all the bad games he has pitched and he deserves a MLB starting rotation spot? We are not the Reds. We don't have the luxury of losing a game or two just to see if a pitcher is back.

 

Option Davies to stay in Biloxi, if you can't call it rehab anymore and get two more starts.

 

If he does well and one of our starters is lagging, switch them out in the rotation. Otherwise Davies to bullpen when rosters expand.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Very much disagree. He has one good pitching appearance in AA out of all the bad games he has pitched and he deserves a MLB starting rotation spot? We are not the Reds. We don't have the luxury of losing a game or two just to see if a pitcher is back.

 

Option Davies to stay in Biloxi, if you can't call it rehab anymore and get two more starts.

 

If he does well and one of our starters is lagging, switch them out in the rotation. Otherwise Davies to bullpen when rosters expand.

 

I guess we'll see what happens. I predict that Davies will have a rotation spot sooner rather than later. If Davies proved one thing last year, it's the ability to get deep into games, which this rotation could really use, especially with the state of the pen.

[TURBO]

I'm holding out zero hope that Davies will provide anything positive to this team this season.

 

If he does, I'll be pleasantly surprised, if he doesn't, it won't matter.

 

He and Jimmy had a lost season, it's just the way it is.

[JohnBriggs12]

I think all of you underestimate Davies. They can use him. As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form. Maybe you wait until roster expansion and give him one more start at Biloxi, but this is a guy if he's healthy has won big games in tough environments. Who's the best pitcher on the Brewers right now? It's Chacin who's fastball averages about the same as Davies.

[MrTPlush]

I think all of you underestimate Davies. They can use him. As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form. Maybe you wait until roster expansion and give him one more start at Biloxi, but this is a guy if he's healthy has won big games in tough environments. Who's the best pitcher on the Brewers right now? It's Chacin who's fastball averages about the same as Davies.

 

So what about all the terrible starts this year at the MLB level and all the other terrible starts at the MiLB.

 

But yah...lets just take the last result against AA competition as proof he can get elite MLB hitters out.

[xisxisxis]

Historically Davies takes time to get into a groove. I imagine that he hasn't had the chance this year to get into that groove as each injury and setback probably reset his progress. I suggested earlier this year that he start spring training a month early compared to everyone else so that he can get into a groove before the season starts and not until May... While there is plenty of bad data this year, I wouldn't rule out that his performance moving forward would be very different than the other starts this year... Call me an optimist...

[FVBrewerFan]

I think all of you underestimate Davies. They can use him. As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form. Maybe you wait until roster expansion and give him one more start at Biloxi, but this is a guy if he's healthy has won big games in tough environments. Who's the best pitcher on the Brewers right now? It's Chacin who's fastball averages about the same as Davies.

 

So what about all the terrible starts this year at the MLB level and all the other terrible starts at the MiLB.

 

But yah...lets just take the last result against AA competition as proof he can get elite MLB hitters out.

 

Could very well have been injury related all along, something he was trying to battle through. He just put together a solid season last year, so it's not impossible to believe he can do that again if he's right.

[istanbultaye]

I think Davies' stats from 2015-2017 are proof that Davies CAN get elite MLB hitters out. However, his stats this year definitely raise legitimate concern as to whether he will be that effective in a one month run to close out the year (+any playoff games). That said, over last 7 starts, Guerra has a 6.08 ERA, and Peralta has a 5.80 ERA (even with his 7 shutout innings yesterday), so I wouldn't be able to find any reason to complain about giving Davies a couple starts in place of either of them.

[shanedog19]

I would feel more comfortable with Davies in the rotation than Guerra at this point. Guerra has had bad vibes lately on the mound, and Davies can get deeper into games as has already been pointed out.

[MrTPlush]

I think all of you underestimate Davies. They can use him. As evidenced by his fine outing last night for Biloxi, it appears he's rounding into form. Maybe you wait until roster expansion and give him one more start at Biloxi, but this is a guy if he's healthy has won big games in tough environments. Who's the best pitcher on the Brewers right now? It's Chacin who's fastball averages about the same as Davies.

 

So what about all the terrible starts this year at the MLB level and all the other terrible starts at the MiLB.

 

But yah...lets just take the last result against AA competition as proof he can get elite MLB hitters out.

 

Could very well have been injury related all along, something he was trying to battle through. He just put together a solid season last year, so it's not impossible to believe he can do that again if he's right.

 

Didn't say he couldn't. However pointing to one outing at AA (that I am sure Briggs or 95% of this forum didn't watch) and saying Davies is back seems like a bit of an overreaction. He constantly was terrible at the MLB level and even in the minors...one start and we should throw him in the rotation.