At what point is Darnell Coles on the hot seat?

[KeithStone53151]

This is a weird thread. I think it's really tough to know how much of an impact Coles is making on players from where we are. You can look at Arcia and be critical, or look at Thames eventual turnaround last season and applaud Coles. You can look at Villar returning to form, or Sogard falling apart. Was Coles around for Khris Davis's resurgence?

 

I don't honestly know how anyone can have a strong feeling either way on a hitting coach. Certain hitters failing doesn't mean the coach is failing, and certain hitters exceeding doesn't mean the coach gets all the credit.

[Pugger]

I don't know how many times it's been mentioned on Brewer telecasts, but last night BA/Rock mentioned that the Brewers are trying to get the extra movement out of Arcia's swing and that is there focus.

 

That is the problem. A chinese friend shared an analogy with me that is perfect for this situation:

 

"trying to guard the rice pot, when the barn door is open".

 

Exactly. The Brewers should be worried first, foremost and only at this point, at his abysmal pitch recognition and strike zone recognition. It is irrelevant to be fine tuning of his swing because even if his swing is perfect he won't get good results swinging at crap. Just look at Addison Russell last night watching several pitches go by (and usually balls). No problem with pitch recognition there. What organization did he start with? The Athletics.... Of course, an organization that values plate discipline... Who did Russell remind me of? The few AB I saw of Nottingham... Now what organization did he start with? The problem is NOT Darnell Coles, the problem starts at the AZL rookie league and goes up to the Brewers, an organizational indifference to quality AB... I've griped about this repeatedly, and will continue til I'm banned, that the Brewers as an organization have to start making the case at every level that making an out is the worst possible outcome and a hitters approach will be a factor in promotion... Arcia would still be in Brevard County if the Brewers had any organizational emphasis on the importance of plate discipline...

 

Yes, he should be in the minors trying to fix this. You don't do it at this level but with Saladino on the DL and Sogard being even worse we don't have a lot of options here.

[TigerUppercut]

Great post until you get into his playing career as if it has any relevance. SMH.

 

Just out of curiosity, why would his playing career be irrelevant? He obviously had enough athletic ability to make it to the Major Leagues. But he was a below average Major League hitter. If he was unable to develop himself as a hitter, when he had every motivation in the world to do so (his financial future depended on his ability to play the game), what makes anybody think that he can develop others as hitters?

 

What has Darnell Coles shown that convinces anybody he's the answer? What raw talent has he developed into a top flight hitter?

I agree. Imagine the bucks hiring a shooting coach who in his playing career was a 35% shooter?? He may be a nice guy and all but if he couldn't shoot well enough when he played why would players listen to him with their careers? I don't get it not being relevant.

 

Got it. When you get a second, can you please walk me through Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame playing career?

[tmwiese55]

I really can't believe the argument about his playing career is going again. This was brought up weeks ago and beaten to death. There is no way that should be factored in, it's really that simple and shouldn't need to be explained to people into baseball enough to be posting on a board like this one.

 

That said, I wouldn't be opposed or surprised if he was let go at some point if they don't get it going consistently. They've unperformed for about his whole tenure, basically other than the first 6 weeks last year. I don't think it'll happen though with them at the top of division and best record in NL (or at least really close to both) as they are now.

[xisxisxis]

He seems to be excellent with the Clipboard and taking notes as the camera showed us each time Arcia was up tonight... Wish we could see what he was writing, but the Brewers clearly don't want that ground-breaking work to get out...