Syndergaard and deGrom

[paul253]

But, if you look at what you wrote - the postseason being based on luck, should actually mean that you want to make the postseason as many times as possible, and not necessarily put all the eggs in the basket for any one year. You give yourselves more chances at the playoffs by keeping the years of cheap control of Hiura, Peralta....

 

Why do people keep saying one year? It’s not one year. It’s two and a half minimum, unless you trade him again and recoup some of the prospects. Also, I would willing to bet my annual salary that at least one of the prospects you trade for, say, Degrom, won’t pan out. Probably more. It’s just the nature of the beast. I LOVE Hiura as a prospect and hate to give him away. But two and half years of one of the best pitchers in baseball is a very tempting trade-off.

[MrTPlush]

#1 How do we know it’s not our year? We currently lead the entire NL and the postseason is largely based on luck of getting hot.

 

I am inferring from your post that you are for a trade.

 

But, if you look at what you wrote - the postseason being based on luck, should actually mean that you want to make the postseason as many times as possible, and not necessarily put all the eggs in the basket for any one year. You give yourselves more chances at the playoffs by keeping the years of cheap control of Hiura, Peralta.....

 

Personally, I am torn on a big trade. I am leaning to trading for a Jody Mercer on the cheap and adding a bullpen arm if Albers doesn't come back to be Albers.

 

I’m for a lot of things, things that make us better (long and short term). I will make arguments for things that I am for and not necessarily for. I do it often to help people see the other side of things.

 

I’m all for maximizing postseason appearances. Except I’m not all for maximizing wild card appearances. We have a good team, but certainly not a team I’m confident can win a bunch of division titles (or even the wild card) in the coming years. They will need help and it will take prospects. Peralta and Hiura might be more immediate impacts, but some others in lower tiers definitely should be dangled to add to the MLB roster.

 

I think we have a pretty great chance to win the division. I’d actually call us the favorite at this point because I think our team will fair better over a marathon season. Along with that I expect us to make some notable moves to really solidify this team. With such a strong division title case we need to take it seriously. Do we need to acquire deGrom? No, but certainly is not a bad idea.

[adambr2]

When #Brewers GM David Sterns was asked about potentially adding a starting pitcher: "For us to go out and trade some young talent potentially to acquire a starting pitcher it's not really going to be to add to that depth, it would be a guy that we think could lead the rotation."

 

Obviously this doesn't flat out say 'DeGrom' or 'Syndergaard' but you'd obviously have to think he isn't talking about Cole Hamels here.

[adambr2]

I will say I wasn't really in love with any of the guys we gave up in the Yelich trade, but it would be really, really hard for me to see either of Hiura or Peralta go. And I would expect both to be gone if something got done for either Met ace.

[BallandGlove]

I will say I wasn't really in love with any of the guys we gave up in the Yelich trade, but it would be really, really hard for me to see either of Hiura or Peralta go. And I would expect both to be gone if something got done for either Met ace.

 

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books.

 

Yeah, I like sending $100 to get $90.00.

[adambr2]

I will say I wasn't really in love with any of the guys we gave up in the Yelich trade, but it would be really, really hard for me to see either of Hiura or Peralta go. And I would expect both to be gone if something got done for either Met ace.

 

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books.

 

Yeah, I like sending $100 to get $90.00.

 

I wasn't advocating trading for Syndergaard/DeGrom; in fact I have been pretty fully against it in this thread, and I love Peralta but to slap the 'ace' label on him and compare him to DeGrom and Syndergaard after 4 career starts is more than a tad bit of a reach.

[paul253]

As much as i would like to see Peralta stay I’d be ok with him going if it got us Degrom or Syndergaard. We have enough bodies to fill the rotation, including a few young cheap homegrown guys. As it is we have no room for Woodruff. What Id love to see is to use to acquire one of the Mets starters then jettison Davies in favor of Woodruff or Burnes next year. Barring injury the rotation would include Degrom, Nelson, Anderson, Chacin and then either Guerra, Burnes or Woodruff. Suter would be the long man. That’s a very decent rotation with a true ace at the top. Good depth too.

[paul253]

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books

 

Peraltas resume isn’t even in the same hemisphere as Degrom or Syndergaards. He’s had 3 good starts and one bad one. If you’re going to use three good starts to decide that he’ll be able to pitch at the same level as Degrom or Syndergaard then I don’t know what to say to you.

[BallandGlove]

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books

 

Peraltas resume isn’t even in the same hemisphere as Degrom or Syndergaards. He’s had 3 good starts and one bad one. If you’re going to use three good starts to decide that he’ll be able to pitch at the same level as Degrom or Syndergaard then I don’t know what to say to you.

 

You don't trade all your nails for a hammer when your building a house today.

[MrTPlush]

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books

 

Peraltas resume isn’t even in the same hemisphere as Degrom or Syndergaards. He’s had 3 good starts and one bad one. If you’re going to use three good starts to decide that he’ll be able to pitch at the same level as Degrom or Syndergaard then I don’t know what to say to you.

 

You don't trade all your nails for a hammer when your building a house today.

 

Open up that box of nails:

 

90% aren’t useful nails.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

I’d rather we go after a guy like Bumgardner than any of these guys. I feel like he would lead our rotation quite well. And provide better offensive at bats than some of our regulars.

[TURBO]

Syndergaard worries the hell out of me, especially if we give up what some think it will cost. The guy just can NOT stay healthy.

[superfly]

I will say I wasn't really in love with any of the guys we gave up in the Yelich trade, but it would be really, really hard for me to see either of Hiura or Peralta go. And I would expect both to be gone if something got done for either Met ace.

 

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books.

 

Yeah, I like sending $100 to get $90.00.

 

 

4, count em 4 starts at the MLB level (one he got rocked) and we're anointing him an ace? C'mon bro.

[BallandGlove]

I will say I wasn't really in love with any of the guys we gave up in the Yelich trade, but it would be really, really hard for me to see either of Hiura or Peralta go. And I would expect both to be gone if something got done for either Met ace.

 

So let's trade a Peralta whos pitching like an Ace and our top prospect as well as other prospects for another Ace. And then put more salary on the books.

 

Yeah, I like sending $100 to get $90.00.

 

 

4, count em 4 starts at the MLB level (one he got rocked) and we're anointing him an ace? C'mon bro.

 

Yeah thats exactly what I said when I wrote "like an Ace"

[MrTPlush]

Anyone can look great for 4 starts...especially as a rookie. The league doesn’t know them and have little to go off of. I remember when Mike Fiers was mowing down batters like no other, Junior Guerra...the list goes on.

[sveumrules]

Hearing we should know by July 31 if the two sides are able to work out a deal.

[Lathund]

Hearing we should know by July 31 if the two sides are able to work out a deal.

 

I'm hearing it's 50/50, either it happens or it doesn't.

[paul253]

A week from tomorrow. Need I say more?

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Maybe the brewers brass isn’t at all worried about Peraltas pitch count for the sole real they are using him in a trade..

[coolhandluke121]

The only things deGrom has the edge in are actual performance & health.

 

Which is why I'd be very hesitant giving up a ton of value for Thor, despite his upside.

 

Definitely. Thor strikes me as a bit of a maniac who thinks he can just be a bigger, tougher dude than hitters forever, with no regard for the consequences to his body. His minor injuries last year were supposedly a consequence of lifting weights too much in the off season and he has a more violent delivery than deGrom. I see some subtle red flags with throwing at people in the world series too. You have to pitch inside, but it just seems like he can be guided by impulse. Thor reminds me of Strassburg, but deGrom reminds me a little of Maddux with his poise.

[homer]

Hearing we should know by July 31 if the two sides are able to work out a deal.

 

[DuWayne Steurer]

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[trwi7]

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[homer]

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[MadThinker88]

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I wish more sites shared this idea...

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