Syndergaard and deGrom

[KeithStone53151]

It's tough to see Syndergaard moving specifically because of all the quality SP options available, and his team control. Syndergaard also has the injury risk tag on him. He's a guy that could realistically improve his trade value at the deadline or next offseason, while most guys floated probably can't do that. A healthy 3.5 months of sub 3.5 ERA from Syndergaard will boost his value quite a bit.

 

On a side, Syndergaard is the type of guy that it makes sense to include a guy like Hiura for. 3 years of Syndergaard vs 2 years of Realmuto, the value isn't even close. And if I'm trading Hiura, I don't think I would be willing to include one of those major 3 arms in the trade. Hiura, one of Brown/Ray, and one or two other lesser prospects...or Hiura and a current MLB arm like Anderson or Davies.

 

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I think we can still create a valuable enough package without Hiura/Burnes, but I imagine the Mets will insist or stand pat.

[JackNicholson1974]

Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop

 

I too would endorse a trade where we clear a ton of money, don't give up any really good prospects and get rid of the fringes of our 25 man roster. Unfortunately, that's not how this works.

 

Junior Spivey, Lyle Overbay, Craig Counsell, Chris Capuano, Chad Moeller and Jorge De La Rosa say "hi!"

 

Maybe the Brewers could add a Noochie Varner-esque lottery ticket to sweeten the deal.

[MrTPlush]

So why trade that away for a more expensive/Health risk option?

 

Probably the fact Corbin Burnes is totally unproven as a starter at the MLB level and thinking he will be like Thor is wishful thinking. I think Burnes could be really good, but I don't think he has the pitches and history to make me confident he will be anywhere near what Thor is.

 

I mean there is always risk trading away prospects especially close to the MLB level. When we got Yelich there was a chance Brinson would break out, be similar to Yelich, and the Brewers would have made one of the worst trades in history before any of the other players made an MLB appearance. That trade could have been a complete nightmare. But you take risks sometimes and go with the proven guy.

 

The big hangup for me is that injury history.

[TURBO]

"that injury history" is why we have a chance to get him a little cheaper than if "that injury history" wasn't a concern...

[Warning Track Power]

As much as it would hurt, I would be comfortable moving Hiura for Thor provided it isn't much more than filler prospects on our end to complete the deal. A rotation of Thor-Chacin-Burnes-Woodruff-Nelson/Peralta/Davies is wow and has potential to be the best in Brewers history (assuming health for Thor & Nelson and continued development for Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta).

 

Brewers would need to prioritize adding a 2B in FA and it just so happens there a few to choose from (LeMahieu, Dozier, Harrison).

[RollieTime]

His injury history is why I wouldn’t give up Hiura or Burnes in a trade for him. Hiura’s bat is too special to be moved. His hitting tool makes his floor as high as any player we’ve had in years. If he taps into more power, he could be a .300 hitter that hits 30 home runs while being one of the premier second baseman in the game.

 

I see Burnes being a staple in our rotation for 5 or 6 years. Having him pitch for cheap the next three seasons before his arbitration years is what will allow us to spend big elsewhere. He is the first legit pitching prospect we have had since Gallardo. Moving him now seems counter-productive.

[mattyo]

I would begrudgingly give up Hiura and Ray for Thor because how many opportunities will this franchise ever have to add a legit Ace pitcher with multiple years of control, especially coming off a year where we made it to Game 7 of the NLCS. We are all aware of the injury history he has, but I just don't think we can afford to pass up his caliber of pitcher for that length of control. His control is basically the exact amount of time for our window to finally win a WS.

 

I love Hiura, but I just think you have to do it if offered the opportunity.

 

Edit - And I would include Hiura over Burnes because getting rid of Burnes and adding Thor is just counter-intuitive. Keep the controllable pitching!!!

[brewcrewdue80]

It's tough to see Syndergaard moving specifically because of all the quality SP options available, and his team control. Syndergaard also has the injury risk tag on him. He's a guy that could realistically improve his trade value at the deadline or next offseason, while most guys floated probably can't do that. A healthy 3.5 months of sub 3.5 ERA from Syndergaard will boost his value quite a bit.

 

On a side, Syndergaard is the type of guy that it makes sense to include a guy like Hiura for. 3 years of Syndergaard vs 2 years of Realmuto, the value isn't even close. And if I'm trading Hiura, I don't think I would be willing to include one of those major 3 arms in the trade. Hiura, one of Brown/Ray, and one or two other lesser prospects...or Hiura and a current MLB arm like Anderson or Davies.

 

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I think we can still create a valuable enough package without Hiura/Burnes, but I imagine the Mets will insist or stand pat.

 

This is not a sub 3.5ERA guy. He's a Sub 3ERA Ace. For Hiura this is who you trade him for. It'd cost some pitching too. Id try Davies or Woodruff. Plus a guylike Ponce.

 

Talk about injury history and not wanting to part with Hiura, when Hiura has a history of recent himself.

I wouldnt regret the loss for Thor. He's one of maybe 10guys you say that for. Nothing like Quintana or Gray trade proposal risk involved. He is a top ten SP in all of Baseball

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Heck Cleveland reportedly has 3 SPs on the table that are projected to match if not exceed Thor's 2019 projections and none of them would require trading Hiura.

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

Heck Cleveland reportedly has 3 SPs on the table that are projected to match if not exceed Thor's 2019 projections and none of them would require trading Hiura.

Bauer might take him and possibly the other two. Imo.

 

 

As for Syndergaard look at what Sale and Quintana cost. He’s absolutely going to take Hiure, at least 1 of Burnes, Peralta, Woodruff and one other good prospect like Ray, Turang or Brown, etc.

[Patrick425]

Soo....the Mets are talking to teams about Syndergaard and also trying to obtain 36 year old Cano. Huh??

[adambr2]

Soo....the Mets are talking to teams about Syndergaard and also trying to obtain 36 year old Cano. Huh??

 

Smart really. Get arguably the best young reliever in the game in exchange for taking on a contract they can afford instead of giving up big prospects.

[trwi7]

Soo....the Mets are talking to teams about Syndergaard and also trying to obtain 36 year old Cano. Huh??

 

Yeah, they're still dumb. I don't think anyone thought any differently after they hired an agent as their GM.

[Eye Black]

I’m slightly curious why the guy who helped represent Noah Syndergaard until a month ago is seemingly so intent on moving him? I’m far from a conspiracy theorist, but the fact that no one outside of the doctors and Thor himself would likely know Syndergaard’s medicals better than the CAA staff is slightly disconcerting.

 

I also think it is strange Van Wagenen is on the verge of trading for the mega Cano contract he personally negotiated as an agent.

[Eye Black]

I’m slightly curious why the guy who helped represent Noah Syndergaard until a month ago is seemingly so intent on moving him? I’m far from a conspiracy theorist, but the fact that no one outside of the doctors and Thor himself would likely know Syndergaard’s medicals better than the CAA staff is slightly disconcerting.

 

I also think it is strange Van Wagenen is on the verge of trading for the mega Cano contract he personally negotiated as an agent.

[Patrick425]

Soo....the Mets are talking to teams about Syndergaard and also trying to obtain 36 year old Cano. Huh??

 

Smart really. Get arguably the best young reliever in the game in exchange for taking on a contract they can afford instead of giving up big prospects.

 

 

So if you can afford something, then it's perfectly acceptable to overpay? Also, who's the reliever you are talking about? I must have missed that.

[Eye Black]

Also, who's the reliever you are talking about? I must have missed that.

Edwin Diaz would be part of the deal.

[IntentionalHBP]

So with Cano going to the Mets, does that rule out Hiura in a trade?

 

Also it could mean that the brewers aren’t a match which is more than likely.

[adambr2]

Soo....the Mets are talking to teams about Syndergaard and also trying to obtain 36 year old Cano. Huh??

 

Smart really. Get arguably the best young reliever in the game in exchange for taking on a contract they can afford instead of giving up big prospects.

 

 

So if you can afford something, then it's perfectly acceptable to overpay? Also, who's the reliever you are talking about? I must have missed that.

 

They are getting Edwin Diaz as part of the deal. If you are paying a grand for a pencil but getting a pair of Game 7 World Series tickets thrown in, yes it is perfectly acceptable to pay a grand for the pencil.

[KCBrewerfan34]

It would seem odd to trade Thor if you make a "go for it" trade by adding Cano and Diaz. A little odd IMHO

[adambr2]

It would seem odd to trade Thor if you make a "go for it" trade by adding Cano and Diaz. A little odd IMHO

 

Well they are pretty well set up in the rotation anyway and the talk is that they would plan to replace Noah with a free agent starter. They may be very concerned about Syndergaard's injury history and want to sell on him now rather than wait which makes me even more skeptical about acquiring him.

[TURBO]

So with Cano going to the Mets, does that rule out Hiura in a trade?

 

 

I certainly hope so...

[Eye Black]

The reports overnight say the Cano deal will NOT include Mets 2B Jeff McNeil. Losing Keston Hiura as part of the deal for Syndergaard would be slightly easier to stomach if the Brewers could also get McNeil in the deal. McNeil is a high contact rate lefty hitting 2B with some positional flexibility.

 

Beyond likely Hiura and Burnes I have no idea who else the deal would include (probably at least a couple of additional pieces).

 

A random connection is Josh Hader, Ryan Braun, and Jimmy Nelson are all CAA clients (none of them had been directly represented by Van Wagenen, however).

[splitterpfj]

I would think Cano’s presence eliminates Hiura for the Mets, therefore, if the Brewers pursue Syndergaard, the deal probably begins with Burnes.

 

My guess - the Brewers won’t get him.

 

The Mets are adding Edwin Diaz while keeping their top two prospects, because they can take the financial risk with Cano, and at that, some of that cash is being offset by the inclusion of Bruce and Swarzak - it must be nice to be on the other side of the tilted playing field.

 

I don’t know if the Mets will get where they’re trying to go, but this is a move several franchises couldn’t afford to try.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I mean, I know it's the Mets - but if they actually deal for Cano and Diaz can we just bury the thought of them trading away either Thor or Degrom at this point? I've never thought they were ever seriously considering trading away these arms, because big market teams don't let young or in their prime pitching with ace potential go via trade unless the trade offer is just absurdly high...it's just too easy for larger payroll teams to be competitive by spending in other places if they have a stable of young and relatively inexpensive starting pitching.