Syndergaard and deGrom

[Jaylyn]

MLBTR states that the Mets want to “fill multiple holes with real impact" and are not interested in lower level prospects. They certainly have a opening at 1st, wonder if Jesus Aguilar would be of interest? Santana would be an upgrade in RF for them no doubt.

[trwi7]

Woodard Ray and Stokes doesn’t get it done?

 

Even if Woodard means Woodruff it doesn't come close.

[BrewersAA]

Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop

[Boomer5]

Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop

 

I’m assuming this is in blue.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Personally, I wouldn’t touch Thor. Way to risky and I like our youth too much.

[trwi7]

Maybe Schoop, Santana, Jesus, Thames, peralta, Doubon, Corey Ray, and throw in the money to cover Schoop

 

I too would endorse a trade where we clear a ton of money, don't give up any really good prospects and get rid of the fringes of our 25 man roster. Unfortunately, that's not how this works.

[BrewersAA]

Domingo and Jesus are both 30 homer big leaguers on extremely cheap contracts, Schoop got mvp votes 2 years ago. Peralta is an “untouchable prospect” Corey has helium as a prospect and was the 5th overall pick, doubon is a highly regarded prospect that plays short and is major league ready.

[trwi7]

Domingo and Jesus are both 30 homer big leaguers on extremely cheap contracts, Schoop got mvp votes 2 years ago. Peralta is an “untouchable prospect” Corey has helium as a prospect and was the 5th overall pick, doubon is a highly regarded prospect that plays short and is major league ready.

 

Domingo was so bad last year that he was sent to the minors at one point and rebounding to the point where he was only slightly below average offensively on the year. And with Conforto and Nimmo, they really have no need for Santana anyways.

 

Aguilar and Thames aren't great fits since two of their top prospects are 1st basemen and major league ready. Thames is also in his 30s with only a year left and is probably closer to a salary dump than valuable asset for us. Aguilar had a few week hot stretch that he parlayed into an all-star vote and more publicity than it otherwise would have gotten. His .760 OPS in the second half doesn't provide a ton of value. Even if he settles into an .850ish OPS, that's still not terribly valuable considering position.

 

Peralta is not an untouchable prospect by any stretch.

 

Ray hit .239 and struck out in almost 30% of his plate appearances last year and that was by far his best season in pro ball. Nobody is going to be clamoring to get that kind of prospect.

 

Dubon's OBP was .005 points higher than his BA last year and he got to play in Colorado Springs. Nothing about that screams highly regarded to me and I certainly wouldn't put him in the major league ready category with that plate discipline.

[TURBO]

I have never understood the Dubon love on these pages. People continue to act like this guy is ready to contribute on the big team.

[OldHeidelberg]

What if we offered them Cain in a package for Syndergaard? That would seem to fit a need for the Mets, Cain's WAR the next 3 years could be as good as Thor's. He would cost a little more $ I think and there are concerns of decline with age so Brewers would have to add more. Cain and Hiura is too much? We could hang on to Broxton and play him and Yellich at center until hopefully Ray is ready soon plus we keep our young pitchers. I don't think the Brewers would trade Cain so really just for discussion on what it would take to get him but it seems like maybe giving up a nice major league piece may be the way to get the Mets to deal him as they are not as interested in prospects. As mentioned is posts above I don't think Aguilar or Santana could be that piece. I think Cain's no trade clause kicks in later in his contract although I may have that flipped.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

What if we offered them Cain in a package for Syndergaard? That would seem to fit a need for the Mets, Cain's WAR the next 3 years could be as good as Thor's. He would cost a little more $ I think and there are concerns of decline with age so Brewers would have to add more. Cain and Hiura is too much? We could hang on to Broxton and play him and Yellich at center until hopefully Ray is ready soon plus we keep our young pitchers. I don't think the Brewers would trade Cain so really just for discussion on what it would take to get him but it seems like maybe giving up a nice major league piece may be the way to get the Mets to deal him as they are not as interested in prospects. As mentioned is posts above I don't think Aguilar or Santana could be that piece. I think Cain's no trade clause kicks in later in his contract although I may have that flipped.

 

Cain had a near mvp level type production and we want to trade him? Not to mention any leadership he brought to the team. The drop off from Broxton to Cain is huge. As in, we may not make playoffs...ie 2017.

[OldHeidelberg]

I didn't say I wanted to trade him, just speculating on something that may get it done. You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.

 

Plus it would clear up a spot for Harper.

[JosephC]

If I'm in the Met's GM chair, I would be looking to deal both deGrom and Syndergaard but would only move them at my price. Minimum 75+ million in prospect surplus value for deGrom and 70+ million in prospect surplus value for Syndergaard. deGrom may have one less season of control but has established himself as the elite of the elite. Those are fair expectations for those two pitchers IMO.

 

Zero interest in Lorenzo Cain and zero interest in any MLB first baseman. No interest in taking on any big salaries and the Mets have a minor league first baseman ready to get his MLB chance in Peter Alonso.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.

 

And the rest of our pitchers would suffer because of the dramatic dropoff in outfield defense behind them. Say goodbye to all those runs saved.

 

[sarcasm]Sign me up.[/sarcasm]

[homer]

You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.

 

And the rest of our pitchers would suffer because of the dramatic dropoff in outfield defense behind them. Say goodbye to all those runs saved.

 

[sarcasm]Sign me up.[/sarcasm]

 

We're trading Cain too??

[True Blue Brew Crew]

You have to admit our pitching staff would look pretty sweet with Syndergaard at the top.

 

And the rest of our pitchers would suffer because of the dramatic dropoff in outfield defense behind them. Say goodbye to all those runs saved.

 

[sarcasm]Sign me up.[/sarcasm]

 

We're trading Cain too??

 

That was OldHeidelberg's out loud thought about 5 posts up.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

Seems like maybe there's some actual smoke here...

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-stove-mets-syndergaard-reportedly-drawing-interest-from-brewers-rockies/

[adambr2]

I really don't think much of it until something becomes imminent to be honest. I am pretty used to us showing interest in just about every major piece that makes any sense at all. We've also inquired about Realmuto, Bumgarner, etc.

[paul253]

I’d offer up Peralta, Ray, Stokes, Broxton and Davies. I have no idea what the Mets “needs” are but it gives them an immediate replacement for Syndergaard in Davies, a higher end pitching prospect in Peralta, a high ceiling outfield prospect in Ray, and decent outfield prospect in Stokes and another piece in Broxton.

 

Not a clue if that price is too much or not nearly enough but it’s my starting point.

[splitterpfj]

If I’m the Mets, I’m absolutely getting Hiura or Burnes - and if I’m the Brewers, I’m not giving both. Since the idea for Milwaukee is to improve pitching, Hiura is the painful loss.

 

The Mets say they’re trying to contend, so, perhaps Woodruff goes too, with the Brewers trying to make it Anderson or Davies.

 

The Brewers can do this if they want to, it’s up to the Mets to sort out what they want. Between young veterans and minor leaguers, the Brewers can build a deal - the question is, will the Mets agree to a group the Brewers are willing to give?

[MrTPlush]

You are not getting Thor without Hiura. Three years of Thor is A LOT of control for an ace level pitcher. His health Is what concerns me. I think it would almost be a no brainer to offer up Hiura for him if health wasn't a factor. 3 years of a proven ace for 6 years of a prospect? That's a pretty good trade off if the other prospects aren't crazy valuable.

 

With the health concerns I could see someone only wanting to offer Corbin Burnes as the centerpiece...anything lesser and I think you are severely overrating our guys or seriously underrating Thor.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You are not getting Thor without Hiura. Three years of Thor is A LOT of control for an ace level pitcher. His health Is what concerns me. I think it would almost be a no brainer to offer up Hiura for him if health wasn't a factor. 3 years of a proven ace for 6 years of a prospect? That's a pretty good trade off if the other prospects aren't crazy valuable.

 

With the health concerns I could see someone only wanting to offer Corbin Burnes as the centerpiece...anything lesser and I think you are severely overrating our guys or seriously underrating Thor.

 

I think the only way someone like Hiura is expendable in a deal is if they have a plan for 2B for the next several years already in place. That could mean signing someone like Dietrich, LeMahieu or Marwin Gonzalez to a multi-year deal, trading for someone like Segura, or hoping that Dubon takes that next step and can be a serviceable 2B for the next 6 years. If they are truly in a "go for it" mentality for the next three seasons, a move like this wouldn't surprise me. It would obviously be a hit to the minor league system, but I believe they are doing a great job restocking the lower minors with some very high-upside talent, so they wouldn't be down for long.

[MrTPlush]

You are not getting Thor without Hiura. Three years of Thor is A LOT of control for an ace level pitcher. His health Is what concerns me. I think it would almost be a no brainer to offer up Hiura for him if health wasn't a factor. 3 years of a proven ace for 6 years of a prospect? That's a pretty good trade off if the other prospects aren't crazy valuable.

 

With the health concerns I could see someone only wanting to offer Corbin Burnes as the centerpiece...anything lesser and I think you are severely overrating our guys or seriously underrating Thor.

 

I think the only way someone like Hiura is expendable in a deal is if they have a plan for 2B for the next several years already in place.

 

Which isn't that hard to do or very expensive. Sure they might not be an impact bat, but it is way easier for us to go out and find offense with money than it is to find a legit ace. I think at face value (in the present) trading Hiura for Thor (or a different ace) is a smart logical move. It could definitely backfire, like anything else, but I do think it could work out really well.

 

Hiura straight up for Thor is a solid deal. Thor is controllable himself (3 years) and carries a lot less risk. One of the secondary pieces will eventually be replaced via draft pick comp, though there is a downside to recouping that player way far down the road. Then there will likely be another third piece.

 

I think there is a great opportunity this offseason to get great value when trading for an ace. The market is pretty flooded and if a team is willing to take a reasonable offer it might be wise for us to take advantage much like what we did last offseason with Yelich. I think it is a no brainer to figure out a deal for one of the aces available if it takes players other than Hiura...and even if it takes Hiura (for a controllable one) it might be really wise.

[Outlander]

Would rather not give up Hiura or Burnes, maybe check on Wheeler who can be every bit as good next year and would be cheaper since he has only a year of control.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Could just be me but I think Burnes could get you similar production that Thor provides. So why trade that away for a more expensive/Health risk option?

 

Huira + I could see. But still doesn’t intrigue me too much. I’d rather target one of Indians pitchers as we line up better as trade partners, imo.