Syndergaard and deGrom

[bill hAll Star]

When I say "insurance policy" I'm not saying Hamels or Happ. I'm talking about some veteran that is given to us for a bag of baseballs and fills some middle innings or something and is an option if we've got some injuries late in the year. I'm struggling to find an example at this point so maybe my example is even wrong, which I really didn't even expect to happen. Jason Hammel and the Royals pay off everything except we pay the $2 million buyout, I don't know. Maybe Stearns feels more comfortable with someone like that over Wilkerson if a few injuries occur.

 

Anyway, I agree. It's probably just upgrade or bust.

[coolhandluke121]

I'm encouraged by Chase being as effective as he has been. Thought last year was a fluke and we'd see balls flying out of the yard like it's 2016 again.

 

I think Davies was affected by a nagging injury and still see him as an above average back of the rotation guy at worst.

 

Guerra looks good. You wonder if he's going to implode again but there's no evidence he will. I'm comfortable with him in the rotation.

 

Suter just keeps getting outs. His bat and glove add 1+ WAR to the position over the course of a season, which is not trivial.

 

I think Chacin stays solid. The coaching here is known for keeping guys like him effective even when they have an inconsistent history.

 

Peralta reminds me of K-Rod. Sometimes you worry that he can't throw a strike if his life depends on it, but guys still chase his bad pitches no matter how much film they have access to. The movement on his pitches is ridiculous and sometimes it hurts him as much as it hurts the hitters, but I have little doubt that he's going to continue to help the team.

 

Woodruff is a disappointment, but he's got Nelson-type stuff.

 

I think Burnes will be reasonably effective.

 

So even if Davies doesn't come back strong and Suter moves to the pen, don't bother unless get an ace to pitch a wild card game or games 1/4/7 in a series. But then how much do you want to pay when Nelson, Burnes, Peralta, Anderson, Woodruff, and Davies could be an excellent rotation for years to come, with Guerra, Suter, and Chacin bridging any gaps?

[gregmag]

Ken Rosenthal in the Athletic (paywall) argues that the Mets aren't stupid enough to refuse knockdown offers for de Grom and Thor but are just posturing. Take that for what it's worth.

[adambr2]

Ken Rosenthal in the Athletic (paywall) argues that the Mets aren't stupid enough to refuse knockdown offers for de Grom and Thor but are just posturing. Take that for what it's worth.

 

I'm sure this is true. I just don't think there's any way we are going to offer them anything in the vicinity of what would be considered a "knockdown offer."

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Ken Rosenthal in the Athletic (paywall) argues that the Mets aren't stupid enough to refuse knockdown offers for de Grom and Thor but are just posturing. Take that for what it's worth.

 

I'm sure this is true. I just don't think there's any way we are going to offer them anything in the vicinity of what would be considered a "knockdown offer."

 

I'm sure any offer would rightfully start with Hiura. Not sure, though, that the Brewers would include any MLB pieces, including Peralta and Burnes. I could see a package headlined by Hiura, with a few high upside arms like Diplan, Brown, Medieros or Houser (pick two), and another high ceiling guy like Ray or Gatewood.

[Roderick]

Ken Rosenthal in the Athletic (paywall) argues that the Mets aren't stupid enough to refuse knockdown offers for de Grom and Thor but are just posturing. Take that for what it's worth.

 

I'm sure this is true. I just don't think there's any way we are going to offer them anything in the vicinity of what would be considered a "knockdown offer."

 

I'm sure any offer would rightfully start with Hiura. Not sure, though, that the Brewers would include any MLB pieces, including Peralta and Burnes. I could see a package headlined by Hiura, with a few high upside arms like Diplan, Brown, Medieros or Houser (pick two), and another high ceiling guy like Ray or Gatewood.

 

 

I would be willing to go Hiura, Woodruff/Davies, Ray, KJ Harrison, plus for DeGrom.

 

Since the big headliner is Hiura, I guess it would depend what the Mets have at 2B. Not only majors, but on a path to the majors from the high minors. If they have player(s), then the Mets have to be willing to peddle Hiura after picking him up. Not sure with the Alderson situation how willing they are to pull the trigger.

[adambr2]

I honestly think you'd have to start with Hiura + Burnes + Peralta to get the Mets to waver on their stance, and even then I'm not totally sure that they don't just stand pat.

[TooLiveBrew]

"Knockdown offer"? Never heard it phrased that way before. I assume he means a knockout offer? Knockdown makes me think a discounted price.

[gregmag]

"Knockdown offer"? Never heard it phrased that way before. I assume he means a knockout offer? Knockdown makes me think a discounted price.

That was my word, not his. I just write what comes to mind sometimes, especially late at night.

[TooLiveBrew]

"Knockdown offer"? Never heard it phrased that way before. I assume he means a knockout offer? Knockdown makes me think a discounted price.

That was my word, not his. I just write what comes to mind sometimes, especially late at night.

 

Oh, sorry! No offense meant.

[Madhawk23]

Yeah, I'm just not sure if we'd even have enough to offer the Mets as far as high end talent for either deGrom or Syndergaard. Any deal though would have to start with Hiura AND Burnes - and then you'd have to add in at least two other really good prospects (names like Ray, Lutz, Diplan, Z Brown, Medeiros, etc.)

[brooks_quichenick]

deGrom's agent wants the Mets to trade him

 

 

 

"CAA’s Brodie van Wagenen, agent for Jacob deGrom: “We have discussed Jacob’s future with the Mets at length. Jacob has expressed interest in exploring a long-term partnership that would keep him in a Mets uniform for years to come.” 1/2

 

"More from Van Wagenen: “If the Mets don’t share same interest, we believe their best course of action is to seriously consider trade opportunities now.

The inertia of current situation could complicate Jacob’s relationship with the club and creates an atmosphere of indecision.”"

[TURBO]

oh brother...

 

Sure seems like deGrom is going to be available.

 

The cost makes me shudder, but the thought of him as a Brewer gives me happy thoughts.

[Jenkins5]

Hiura, Burnes most likely would be needed as center pieces. At least one other top 10 prospect (3 total) then at least another high ceiling guy.

 

DeGrom for Hiura Burnes Ortiz and Stokes? I don’t even know if that gets it done. Price will be steep

[splitterpfj]

If I'm the Mets, my ask for either DeGrom or Syndergaard is - Burnes, Huira, Ray, and one of Ortiz, Peralta and Woodruff.

 

If I'm the Brewers, and I decide to do it, I tell the Mets they have to add Asdrubal Cabrera.

 

Obviously, that's some expensive poker right there, but if I'm the Mets, that's what I shoot for.

[Warning Track Power]

If I'm the Mets, my ask for either DeGrom or Syndergaard is - Burnes, Huira, Ray, and one of Ortiz, Peralta and Woodruff.

If I am the Brewers, that is one TOUGH trade to make but I think I am doing it. Combining this with a Dozier trade (who you might have to re-sign given Hiura is then in New York), I like our chances to make the playoffs AND have success there.

[brewmann04]

the guy would have to be Degrom

[jonescm128]

DeGrom gave up a home run on national television...his value has never been lower...go get him now!

[Jenkins5]

DeGrom gave up a home run on national television...his value has never been lower...go get him now!

 

[sarcasm]Cam Roegner as the centerpiece & build from there[/sarcasm]

[MoreTrife]

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/7/23/17601442/milwaukee-brewers-trade-targets-jacob-degrom-keston-hiura-corbin-burnes-freddy-peralta

 

Not seeing a source on this in the article but boy that'd be great. Though offense seems to be more of a need.

 

I'd sell high on Corey Ray and include him, one of Peralta/Burnes (preferably Peralta), Ortiz, Phillips, maybe one more.

 

Probably still not enough.

[splitterpfj]

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/7/23/17601442/milwaukee-brewers-trade-targets-jacob-degrom-keston-hiura-corbin-burnes-freddy-peralta

 

Not seeing a source on this in the article but boy that'd be great. Though offense seems to be more of a need.

 

I'd sell high on Corey Ray and include him, one of Peralta/Burnes (preferably Peralta), Ortiz, Phillips, maybe one more.

 

Probably still not enough.

 

Honestly now, if you’re the Mets, does Milwaukee get deGrom without giving Hiura?

 

There’s no reason for them to do that, they hold the cards.

[KeithStone53151]

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/7/23/17601442/milwaukee-brewers-trade-targets-jacob-degrom-keston-hiura-corbin-burnes-freddy-peralta

 

Not seeing a source on this in the article but boy that'd be great. Though offense seems to be more of a need.

 

I'd sell high on Corey Ray and include him, one of Peralta/Burnes (preferably Peralta), Ortiz, Phillips, maybe one more.

 

Probably still not enough.

 

Honestly now, if you’re the Mets, does Milwaukee get deGrom without giving Hiura?

 

There’s no reason for them to do that, they hold the cards.

 

I don't think it's a good idea to completely dismiss the idea of getting Degrom without giving up Hiura. They'll likely ask, but we have other very good prospects that could be co-headliners in a deal for Degrom. For example, both Peralta and Burnes as co-centerpieces. Those 2 and Ray would be a hell of a package. That might be more than I'm willing to give up actually, but my point is that we have plenty of good/appealing prospects that Hiura shouldn't be a requirement(unless other offers dictate it is a requirement).

[trwi7]

Peralta, Burnes and Ray isn't close. Sorry, that's a package that can easily be beaten and not enough to make the Mets say "yes" even if it's the best package offered.

[splitterpfj]

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/7/23/17601442/milwaukee-brewers-trade-targets-jacob-degrom-keston-hiura-corbin-burnes-freddy-peralta

 

Not seeing a source on this in the article but boy that'd be great. Though offense seems to be more of a need.

 

I'd sell high on Corey Ray and include him, one of Peralta/Burnes (preferably Peralta), Ortiz, Phillips, maybe one more.

 

Probably still not enough.

 

Honestly now, if you’re the Mets, does Milwaukee get deGrom without giving Hiura?

 

There’s no reason for them to do that, they hold the cards.

[Boomer5]

Hiura is going in a DeGrom trade. They need an elite headliner and volume won’t be a viable substitute. They are probably looking for a top 10 type anyhow so we might not have enough.