Syndergaard and deGrom

[brewers888]

This team doesn't need to trade for either of these guys. Just make a couple of rental deals like Cabrera from the Mets and maybe a cheap reliever. We should be an even better team the next few years with Hiura in the lineup and a rotation with both Peralta and Burnes.

 

Starting pitchers get hurt too often to trade away multiple top prospects for especially if any deal includes Hiura. Just stay the course and we should be contending for a long time to come. If we unload Hiura and several starting pitchers for Degrom or Syndergaard and either of them gets hurt we will be devastated.

 

Our lineup has been pretty awful. The last thing this team should do is trade away a guy like Hiura who could be a future batting champion with decent power. There is no reason to sell out for a pitcher when the future looks so bright with Hiura, Peralta, and Burnes in the system.

[NievesNoNO]

I think the way things have unfolded, I'll be disappointed if the Brewers don't make a major move this deadline. This team is ready now- when healthy; it wasn't last season. A deal for Degrom would be HUGE for this team and obviously he's not just a half-season rental. I don't really want anything to do with Syndergaard; he's too injury prone for my liking for the cost.

 

If it takes Hiura and Burnes so be it. Peralta has proven to be a major league arm so I'd be super hesitant to deal him. This teams is more complete than the 2011 model. They don't have the high end star power but the depth and bullpen is impressive.

 

The way things have played out, the franchise has a bunch of player in their prime right now who are still under contract for a few more seasons. All the star power isn't sitting in the minors waiting; it's here now. I know some want to wait things out a bit like the Astros and Cubs did but the design isn't the same. Remember when the Mets had Harvey, Syndergaard, Degrom, Matz, and Wheeler all lined up to be the next great staff that would push for multiple WS titles? Almost they won one but it sure doesn't look all that promising for that group to win one anymore. The point is, you take a shot when you have a legit chance because even the best laid plans don't always work to perfection.

 

I like Hiura, but do people really think that he's a generational type player who couldn't be replaced in the system? If Hiura, Burnes, and some other pieces get it done, honestly I make the deal not looking back and enjoy the ride.

[paul253]

Hiura is probably the best prospect we’ve had since Ryan Braun. Those guys are hard to find, especially picking later in the draft like the Brewers will be doing for the foreseeable future. But the way baseball economics work it’s darn near implossible for the Brewers to find get a legit top of the rotation pitcher. They have to either draft one, which we haven’t done since Ben Sheets 19 years ago, trade for an established one like we did Sabathka and Greinke, or trade for a prospect who profiles as TOR, which almost nobody is willing to give up now. They sure aren’t signing one. So our options ar very, very limited. It’s hard to find a guy like Hiura in the draft but it’s almost impossible to find a true ace. So if we can get one via trade for 2 1/2 years by giving up a few prospects I think we do it.

[brewers888]

Hiura is probably the best prospect we’ve had since Ryan Braun. Those guys are hard to find, especially picking later in the draft like the Brewers will be doing for the foreseeable future. But the way baseball economics work it’s darn near implossible for the Brewers to find get a legit top of the rotation pitcher. They have to either draft one, which we haven’t done since Ben Sheets 19 years ago, trade for an established one like we did Sabathka and Greinke, or trade for a prospect who profiles as TOR, which almost nobody is willing to give up now. They sure aren’t signing one. So our options ar very, very limited. It’s hard to find a guy like Hiura in the draft but it’s almost impossible to find a true ace. So if we can get one via trade for 2 1/2 years by giving up a few prospects I think we do it.

 

I think Peralta and Burnes both have top of the rotation upside. Even with Degrom we are far from the favorites to win the division much less the World Series which should be our ultimate goal. Next season we could have a terrific rotation with Nelson, Peralta, and Burnes in it and the lineup should be so much better with Hiura at second base. Looking at the big picture we will be much better off in future seasons by keeping the system intact.

 

Hiura really looks like our only impact bat even close to the majors. We just cannot afford to give that up. Yes Degrom is great but he has a lot of tread on the tires and pitchers get hurt so often that the risks of trading a potential star bat like Hiura plus Peralta and Burnes is just too risky.

 

The Yelich trade was much more understandable because he is a young position player with 5 years of control vs 2.5 of Degrom. I don't understand this need every time we are decent to go all in. We aren't losing anyone important after the season and have a potential star in Hiura plus some nice pitching that will contribute next season.

 

Bottom line to me is just stay the course. Go out and get good rentals like Asdrubral Cabrera and a bullpen arm like we did last year with Swarzak. Those rental deals cost us nearly nothing last year and we can do that again this season without mortgaging any of our future.

[Jkromb]

Hiura is probably the best prospect we’ve had since Ryan Braun. Those guys are hard to find, especially picking later in the draft like the Brewers will be doing for the foreseeable future. But the way baseball economics work it’s darn near implossible for the Brewers to find get a legit top of the rotation pitcher. They have to either draft one, which we haven’t done since Ben Sheets 19 years ago, trade for an established one like we did Sabathka and Greinke, or trade for a prospect who profiles as TOR, which almost nobody is willing to give up now. They sure aren’t signing one. So our options ar very, very limited. It’s hard to find a guy like Hiura in the draft but it’s almost impossible to find a true ace. So if we can get one via trade for 2 1/2 years by giving up a few prospects I think we do it.

 

I think Peralta and Burnes both have top of the rotation upside. Even with Degrom we are far from the favorites to win the division much less the World Series which should be our ultimate goal. Next season we could have a terrific rotation with Nelson, Peralta, and Burnes in it and the lineup should be so much better with Hiura at second base. Looking at the big picture we will be much better off in future seasons by keeping the system intact.

 

Hiura really looks like our only impact bat even close to the majors. We just cannot afford to give that up. Yes Degrom is great but he has a lot of tread on the tires and pitchers get hurt so often that the risks of trading a potential star bat like Hiura plus Peralta and Burnes is just too risky.

 

The Yelich trade was much more understandable because he is a young position player with 5 years of control vs 2.5 of Degrom. I don't understand this need every time we are decent to go all in. We aren't losing anyone important after the season and have a potential star in Hiura plus some nice pitching that will contribute next season.

 

Bottom line to me is just stay the course. Go out and get good rentals like Asdrubral Cabrera and a bullpen arm like we did last year with Swarzak. Those rental deals cost us nearly nothing last year and we can do that again this season without mortgaging any of our future.

 

Well then let’s go get Thor, who is 25 and has like 4 years of control.

[markedman5]

Degrom was selected in the 9th round. Corey Klueber 4 TH round. Neither one of those guys profiled as a TOR starter when drafted but they ended up there. Lots of Hall of Fame pitchers were not drafted in the top 10 picks.

 

You find TOR starters before they become TOR starters......especially when you are a small market team.

[markedman5]

Hiura is probably the best prospect we’ve had since Ryan Braun. Those guys are hard to find, especially picking later in the draft like the Brewers will be doing for the foreseeable future. But the way baseball economics work it’s darn near implossible for the Brewers to find get a legit top of the rotation pitcher. They have to either draft one, which we haven’t done since Ben Sheets 19 years ago, trade for an established one like we did Sabathka and Greinke, or trade for a prospect who profiles as TOR, which almost nobody is willing to give up now. They sure aren’t signing one. So our options ar very, very limited. It’s hard to find a guy like Hiura in the draft but it’s almost impossible to find a true ace. So if we can get one via trade for 2 1/2 years by giving up a few prospects I think we do it.

 

I think Peralta and Burnes both have top of the rotation upside. Even with Degrom we are far from the favorites to win the division much less the World Series which should be our ultimate goal. Next season we could have a terrific rotation with Nelson, Peralta, and Burnes in it and the lineup should be so much better with Hiura at second base. Looking at the big picture we will be much better off in future seasons by keeping the system intact.

 

Hiura really looks like our only impact bat even close to the majors. We just cannot afford to give that up. Yes Degrom is great but he has a lot of tread on the tires and pitchers get hurt so often that the risks of trading a potential star bat like Hiura plus Peralta and Burnes is just too risky.

 

The Yelich trade was much more understandable because he is a young position player with 5 years of control vs 2.5 of Degrom. I don't understand this need every time we are decent to go all in. We aren't losing anyone important after the season and have a potential star in Hiura plus some nice pitching that will contribute next season.

 

Bottom line to me is just stay the course. Go out and get good rentals like Asdrubral Cabrera and a bullpen arm like we did last year with Swarzak. Those rental deals cost us nearly nothing last year and we can do that again this season without mortgaging any of our future.

 

Well said

[Fear The Chorizo]

I like Hiura, but do people really think that he's a generational type player who couldn't be replaced in the system?

 

I'm raising my hand, and have been since very early this season. He's special.

[pacopete4]

I like Hiura, but do people really think that he's a generational type player who couldn't be replaced in the system?

 

I'm raising my hand, and have been since very early this season. He's special.

 

Me too. When you watch and hear the contact he makes. Special, special bat. And at second base? I can’t wait.

[superfly]

We made our bullpen addition already and it didn't cost us a dime. Mike Zagurski.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Watch Stearns get DeGrom and Hiura isn’t apart of the deal. This place is going to go nuts! Go get em David!

[Mass Haas]

NY Daily News update

[paul253]

You find TOR starters before they become TOR starters......especially when you are a small market team

 

When is the last time we found one? It’s not nearly as easy as you make it seem. In my time as a Brewers fan I remember Ben Sheets, who was a first round pick, and that’s oretty much it.

[adambr2]

Watch Stearns get DeGrom and Hiura isn’t apart of the deal. This place is going to go nuts! Go get em David!

 

Hiura is gone in any deal for Thor or DeGrom. There is just no way around that.

[Invader3K]

Save the top prospects and go get a rental bat for cheap.

 

The problem is this team isn’t a cheap rental bat away from being a legitimate World Seties contender. I just shutter to think of going into the playoffs with Chacin as our best starting pitcher.

 

I agree, this Brewers team is loaded with quality bats (though sometimes they are inconsistent). We need a starting pitching upgrade to have any real hope of advancing in the playoffs.

[mlloyd10]

NY Daily News update

 

Done

[djd1228]

NY Daily News update

 

Done

 

I trust stearns but dealing for noah is a huge risk imo.

[wallus]

Not a huge Thor fan but I would probably do that trade.

[MadThinker88]

NY Daily News update

 

If that was all it took, do it!

 

Immediately!

[paul253]

It wouldn’t be the worst idea to sell high-ish on Corey Ray. I hated the pick on draft day and still do. Using him to help get Syndergaard would at least get us some return on the pick. Then Hiura and Burnes for 3 1/2 years of Syndergaard? Man I think you have to do it. Then you just have to do a better job drafting. It’s painful looking at box scores for Biloxi and seeing Coulter, Grisham, and Ray’s numbers.

[JohnBriggs12]

Going after Merrifield seems to be part of the master plan to then use Hiura as centerpiece for deal for Syndergaard. Peralta's emergence softens the blow of losing Burnes as well.

[paul253]

We have a ton of options for the rotation next year. Id even maybe try to throw in a guy like Davies if it would maybe get us a lottery ticket prospect too.

[JosephC]

I'm off the Syndergaard bandwagon because players on the DL cannot help the team. Syndergaard has made 13 starts in the last 14 months. Latest injury was a "strained finger ligament" and the end result of that will likely be a 6 week DL stay and 8 missed starts. No question the guy is a great pitcher when he is on the mound. But Stearns has to be very, very careful if he goes down this road.

[djd1228]

We have a ton of options for the rotation next year. Id even maybe try to throw in a guy like Davies if it would maybe get us a lottery ticket prospect too.

 

This would be the absolutely worst time to trade Zach

[mlloyd10]

The reason Thor is always hurt is because he is dumb...he try’s to pitch through every injury

 

Definition of million dollar talent, but ten cent head