Best and Worst Stearns Moves

[BrewersAA]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not and I’m too lazy to ready everything, but villar for sy sneed I think wasnkne of his best moves. Also (again not sure if mentioned) but Maldy for bandy should be on the list of worst moves.

[adambr2]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or not and I’m too lazy to ready everything, but villar for sy sneed I think wasnkne of his best moves. Also (again not sure if mentioned) but Maldy for bandy should be on the list of worst moves.

 

Both of those would be on my list of 'shrug' moves.

 

Guess the Villar move still depends on whether he ever gets any better again, and whether Sneed ever makes it and how he turns out.

[SRB]

Scooter was a "mistake" in hindsight because he has become a significantly better player, but the Khris Davis trade had more to do with how the market values him. Davis has been essentially the same hitter throughout his MLB career.

[dlk9s]

I don't know if it counts as a "move" or not, but the tendency to continue to hang with players who cannot play. They have given almost 200 at bats already this season to the likes of Jett Bandy, Ji-Man Choi, Eric Sogard non of whom has an OPS approaching .700.

 

I don't really worry about bottom of the roster guys. Every team has them. There are a lot of aspects to managing a roster - salary constraints, minor league options, service time, playing time for guys at different levels of the organization, etc. - that sometimes mean you get stuck with a less-than-desirable player on the roster (or two or three).

 

And of those three guys you mentioned, I only see Choi as particularly useless when the big-league roster is healthy. Bandy is a backup catcher - there's not much to expect there. Sogard can at least play both middle infield positions adequately (I use that description without looking at stats).

[Ennder]

Scooter was a "mistake" in hindsight because he has become a significantly better player, but the Khris Davis trade had more to do with how the market values him. Davis has been essentially the same hitter throughout his MLB career.

 

Davis was traded a year too soon. We could have gotten a lot more for him the following season but apparently didn't believe he was for real.

 

Scooter being released was unfortunate. I don't have the details to know for sure but at the time it felt like they were doing him a favor rather than sticking him in the minors.

[markedman5]

I'm pretty sure they tried to trade Scooter but nobody else seemed to want to give up anything of value for him.........it happens.

 

Nobody thought he had this in him because he had never shown that he this in him.

 

Reds thought he was going to be a bench player

 

https://www.redreporter.com/2018/1/2/16841288/cincinnati-reds-links-claiming-scooter-gennett

[Mass Haas]

November 23, 2016 Milwaukee Brewers claimed RHP Blake Parker off waivers from Los Angeles Angels.

December 23, 2016 Los Angeles Angels claimed RHP Blake Parker off waivers from Milwaukee Brewers.

 

The kicker here is that no subsequent Brewers move was made after the DFA of Parker, no other transactions of any kind. Parker has been one of the most valuable relievers in baseball since. He's the Angels' closer today.

[adambr2]

November 23, 2016 Milwaukee Brewers claimed RHP Blake Parker off waivers from Los Angeles Angels.

December 23, 2016 Los Angeles Angels claimed RHP Blake Parker off waivers from Milwaukee Brewers.

 

The kicker here is that no subsequent move was made, no other transactions of any kind. Parker has been one of the most valuable relievers in baseball since. He's the Angels' closer today.

 

Only you would find that gem, Maas. Well done. Never even crossed my mind. Never even knew we had Parker.

[Mass Haas]

There was no need to sneak Parker through waivers, as he had been previously DFA'd and could have refused the assignment anyway.

 

The Angels were more than happy to take him right back, atoning for their prior error. They've reaped the benefits since.

 

My goodness, he'd be an awesome piece now.

[MrTPlush]

Scooter was a "mistake" in hindsight because he has become a significantly better player, but the Khris Davis trade had more to do with how the market values him. Davis has been essentially the same hitter throughout his MLB career.

 

Davis was traded a year too soon. We could have gotten a lot more for him the following season but apparently didn't believe he was for real.

 

Scooter believe released was unfortunate. I don't have the details to know for sure but at the time it felt like they were doing him a favor rather than sticking him in the minors.

 

Khris Davis was traded for quite a few reasons. Get Braun out of RF, open a spot for Santana, and the fact he was not a Stearns type of player.

 

He isn’t an a really good player, but it is hard to find a 40+ homer guy who can keep an average near .250 and have an OBP that is near acceptable.

 

I hated the trade back then and still do. It was just an unfortunate situation where another player (Santana) essentially nudged him off the roster. It is much like the Gennett scenario. I liked Gennett...but once again the roster pushed him out.

 

I don’t necessarily really blame Stearns that much. When you start to get a talented roster and depth you will miss on these kinds of things. Much like the Red Sox has happen with Shaw.

[Mass Haas]

There was no need to sneak Parker through waivers, as he had been previously DFA'd and could have refused the assignment anyway.

 

The Angels were more than happy to take him right back, atoning for their prior error. They've reaped the benefits since.

 

My goodness, he'd be an awesome piece now.

 

This tweet to me indicated (and reminded me):

 

People forget that Parker was DFA'd again by Angels in Jan 2017. Could have just claimed him again, DFAing Scahill, Blazek or Magnifico.

 

So let's not congratulate the Angels. They DFA'd him twice, and were lucky he cleared waivers the second time. Then he went out the following spring training, excelled, and the rest is history at this point, a season and a half (thus far) of stellar contributions.

[BruisedCrew]

The Gennett stuff reminds me a lot of discussing politics where one side leaves out a lot of the facts to make their case.

 

Instead of focusing on Gennett vs Villar (where everyone would have chosen Villar in the spring of 2017), I like to focus on Gennett vs Aguilar. When setting the roster in 2017 they weren’t going to keep two players who could only play one position, and they chose Aguilar over Gennett. I assume they tried to trade Gennett but had no takers and released him instead of paying him $2 million to play in the minors.

 

Even the Reds didn’t expect what Gennett has done. It took a month or so for them to work Gennett into their everyday lineup.

[Ennder]

 

Khris Davis was traded for quite a few reasons. Get Braun out of RF, open a spot for Santana, and the fact he was not a Stearns type of player.

 

He isn’t an a really good player, but it is hard to find a 40+ homer guy who can keep an average near .250 and have an OBP that is near acceptable.

 

I hated the trade back then and still do. It was just an unfortunate situation where another player (Santana) essentially nudged him off the roster. It is much like the Gennett scenario. I liked Gennett...but once again the roster pushed him out.

 

I don’t necessarily really blame Stearns that much. When you start to get a talented roster and depth you will miss on these kinds of things. Much like the Red Sox has happen with Shaw.

 

Sure but I think a trade deadline trade would have been a better bet with Davis. I think they were just afraid he'd come out cold and lose all of his value.

 

I blame him a bit more with Scooter who had an option and could have been sent down to AAA for depth. It was probably more a timing thing where they didn't expect to compete and wanted to save that $2M more than anything else. I just think Scooter had shown signs of this breakout his last year in Milwaukee and would have liked them to keep him.

[Ennder]

 

Khris Davis was traded for quite a few reasons. Get Braun out of RF, open a spot for Santana, and the fact he was not a Stearns type of player.

 

He isn’t an a really good player, but it is hard to find a 40+ homer guy who can keep an average near .250 and have an OBP that is near acceptable.

 

I hated the trade back then and still do. It was just an unfortunate situation where another player (Santana) essentially nudged him off the roster. It is much like the Gennett scenario. I liked Gennett...but once again the roster pushed him out.

 

I don’t necessarily really blame Stearns that much. When you start to get a talented roster and depth you will miss on these kinds of things. Much like the Red Sox has happen with Shaw.

 

Sure but I think a trade deadline trade would have been a better bet with Davis. I think they were just afraid he'd come out cold and lose all of his value.

 

I blame him a bit more with Scooter who had an option and could have been sent down to AAA for depth. It was probably more a timing thing where they didn't expect to compete and wanted to save that $2M more than anything else. I just think Scooter had shown signs of this breakout his last year in Milwaukee and would have liked them to keep him.

[danzig6767]

Khris Davis was traded for quite a few reasons. Get Braun out of RF, open a spot for Santana, and the fact he was not a Stearns type of player.

 

He isn’t an a really good player, but it is hard to find a 40+ homer guy who can keep an average near .250 and have an OBP that is near acceptable.

Davis is odd in how crazy consistent he is from year to year

 

Batting average the last five years

 

.244

.247

.247

.247

.242

 

I can't recall seeing something like that

 

His SLG the last four years

 

.505

.524

.528

.530

 

He's literally the exact same hitter every year, only his walk rate goes up and down some.

[rickh150]

Nottingham is doing well in Colorado... good to see. I put that trade as the worst, but I'll change my mind for now. It is saying a lot about our GM when we are having difficulty picking a few obviously bad trades.

[Never Outhustled]

The Gennett stuff reminds me a lot of discussing politics where one side leaves out a lot of the facts to make their case.

 

Instead of focusing on Gennett vs Villar (where everyone would have chosen Villar in the spring of 2017), I like to focus on Gennett vs Aguilar. When setting the roster in 2017 they weren’t going to keep two players who could only play one position, and they chose Aguilar over Gennett. I assume they tried to trade Gennett but had no takers and released him instead of paying him $2 million to play in the minors.

 

Even the Reds didn’t expect what Gennett has done. It took a month or so for them to work Gennett into their everyday lineup.

 

Why versus Aguilar? Gennet was released to keep 30 year old Kirk Newenhius. Horrible move. That's Stearns worst move.

 

The Davis deal was solid, both Nottingham and Derby will be big leaguers. Nottingham will be our catcher for a long, long time.

 

Stearns best move was hiring Dereck Johnson.

[Never Outhustled]

If we are going to count Gennett, we also need to blame Stearns for not hiring the Red's hitting coach that fixed his swing.

 

Gennet credits Brewers assistant hitting coach Jason Lane with fixing his swing. He said it just took him awhile to get comfortable with planting his back leg. The Red's didn't due squat for him. Maybe they'll due him a favor and deal him back to Milwaukee.