Manny Machado (Part 1)

[brewmann04]

I happen to think we won't see Jimmy at all and no body should be hoping that he can contribute this season at least as a starter. I am not sure what DS will do at the trade deadline.

[MrTPlush]

Seems to be a lot of chatter tonight from a lot of sources. Makes me think this is getting down to brass tacks and all.

 

Yup, pretty much going to get traded the day after the AS game. I only say that because it seems like a giant douche move by the Orioles if they traded him during the festivities. Probably inappropriate with all the media attention he would get in what should be a somewhat relaxing time.

[reillymcshane]

Seems to be a lot of chatter tonight from a lot of sources. Makes me think this is getting down to brass tacks and all.

 

Yup, pretty much going to get traded the day after the AS game. I only say that because it seems like a giant douche move by the Orioles if they traded him during the festivities. Probably inappropriate with all the media attention he would get in what should be a somewhat relaxing time.

At this point I can't imagine anything happening until after the all-star game. Heck, even if something is agreed upon, it won't be formalized until after the All-star game.

 

The odds of Manny making it to another city to play on Sunday seems small, considering there would need to be a physical, he'd need to get to the new city, etc., etc. So may as well let him play the all-star game as an Oriole. One last glory moment for the franchise.

 

No matter what happens, the media attention is going to be huge. No getting around that.

[trwi7]

Man, I wouldn't risk Machado rolling an ankle on the base or getting hit on the hand in a meaningless all-star game. If they get an agreement, as much as it would suck for the fans, I'd trade him before the game.

[MrTPlush]

Man, I wouldn't risk Machado rolling an ankle on the base or getting hit on the hand in a meaningless all-star game. If they get an agreement, as much as it would suck for the fans, I'd trade him before the game.

 

Who was the last player to get injured in the All Star game? These guys don’t try hard. It would take a total freak accident. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Orioles have him pulled earlier than usual for a starter to reduce risk.

 

I think there is no chance he gets traded during the All Star Break (minus the day after the actual game). Getting traded while in DC would create a rather uneccessary circus. Their games have been meaningless all year yet they risk him getting hurt every day. The AS Game is really no different. It’s like 3 innings max at 50% effort, the chances are lottery odds low to get hurt.

 

Obviously the media attention is huge regardless, but even larger in DC next week. Not to mention it’s suppose to be a spotlight time for many players across the league. To make Machado get an uneccessary large amount of it for little reason is just a poor move. He doesn’t need to steal headlines around the AS festivities when you don’t have to make it happen.

 

And man we really don’t need another awkward Jeff Samardzija situation. I hope MLB has talked about what they would do with Machado if he got shipped off before the AS Game. Because said situation has not happened in the meaningless game era.

[trwi7]

Who was the last player to get injured in the All Star game? These guys don’t try hard. It would take a total freak accident. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Orioles have him pulled earlier than usual for a starter to reduce risk.

 

I have no idea but all it takes is one 95 mph fastball slipping out of Scherzer's hand and hitting Machado in the hand. Like I said, it would suck for the fans but I wouldn't really want Machado playing in the game if I was running the Orioles.

[rickh150]

Would a Machado signing impact ticket sales like CC did?

The Brewers sold out like 20 some straight games from late July to early Sept. in 2008.

[alwz4gbp]

The headlines, while a tease, are making me crazy. I don't want Manny. The price doesn't justify the cost. Its just that simple in my eyes. Keep Hiura, Burnes and Peralta. Trade spare parts or players out of options. We're not there yet, no sense in gong crazy. I'll trust DS to do the right thing. Excess pitching next year can be next years problem. Too many question marks remain in that area. How silly would it be to change Peralta, Burnes etc, only to find that Nelson is done, others don't bounce back from their struggles this year? Small improvement and make "The Move" when its more realistic. Just my two cents.

[madbad2000]

The Orioles are wrapping up a homestand right now. If the options were to trade Manny today and give him a final curtain call at Camden Yards in front of the fans or let him play in the All Star Game as an Oriole, I would assume the curtain call is the better option. The local sports hosts mentioned this already and the broadcast team last night brought it up about coming out to the park today to see Manny for likely the last time as an Oriole. The All Star Game is not worth anything and you do have a small risk of something happening. I know I'd prefer the curtain call at home. Manny getting traded is a done deal and I am certain that fans will give him a warm thank you for his contributions when the announcement is made.

[alwz4gbp]

While I agree with you 100%, I think the Orioles brass will want him to go to the all star game as an Oriole. This thing could easily drag out for another week. Just a thought. Egos.

[madbad2000]

While I agree with you 100%, I think the Orioles brass will want him to go to the all star game as an Oriole. This thing could easily drag out for another week. Just a thought. Egos.

 

In the past when Angelos was running things, yes. One of the big problems in Baltimore right now is who is actually calling the shots and there appears to be a power struggle going on. Duquette is the GM and his previous flirtation with leaving ( Toronto ) coupled with some bad contracts (Davis) has not gained confidence within the organization. It's pretty much assumed that he is gone at years end and a lame duck. Brady Anderson is currently serving in a back seat driver position where he has been doing some GM like duties without consultation with the GM and no real repercussions. Rumor is that he seeks more of a President of Baseball Operations role vice GM...but with oversight of GM actions. Buck Showalter is a legend in Charm City with the success that he brought. He is likely done coaching after this year and most feel like he has been positioning himself as the next GM to include taking a greater role in personnel decisions. But he may actually prefer a President role too which comes with less of the 24/7 duties the GM possesses. Angelos has essentially handed over his role to his two sons, which means we have two different owners opinions on how to run the franchise. Couple all of this with the reports that the Orioles have already started interviewing executives to include former Dodger GM Ned Colleti and this is an organization going in a different direction sooner rather than later.

 

So for this deadline we have a likely lame duck GM, a likely lame duck manager with personnel influence, a meddling Executive with aspirations (Anderson) and 2 new ownership influencers. I would not use past actions in any way to try to predict what the Orioles are thinking. If I'm a decision maker for this team, I dont care at all if Machado takes the field in an exhibition. We already have our All Star selection. I'm giving Machado's last hoorah in an Orioles uniform to my paying fans at Camden yards instead of the hated Nationals.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I think we should pivot and go after Brian Dozier and Cole Hamels instead.

 

I think we could land both those guys while holding onto Huira and Burnes.

[MrTPlush]

Would a Machado signing impact ticket sales like CC did?

The Brewers sold out like 20 some straight games from late July to early Sept. in 2008.

 

Probably a different situation, but I’m sure it would increase ticket sales quite a bit. Maybe not to that kind of crazy excitement and certainly doesn’t help we took the week off before the break.

[Brewcrewin07]

 

 

Jon Heyman

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5 teams still in for Machado. brewers have made “good offer” and appear to be in top tier with phillies and dodgers. yankees and indians also in but perhaps behind. situation fluid though.

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[Boomer5]

After today no one is playing until Thursday so I’d expect a deal by Wednesday at the latest.

 

5 teams all working the texts to the Orioles all day and night. I’d love to see the conversations between Mark A, CC, and Stearns.

[KeithStone53151]

I've been getting the impression based on rumors that packages are increasing, probably past my personal comfort zone. That could be the intent of the media, so can't read too much from that. I hope Stearns doesn't include any of our top 3 in any deal. Try to work it around some of our older prospects destined for the 40 man, and if it doesn't work out...pivot to another player like Escobar for a fraction of the cost.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

If Phillips is in the offer I sure wouldn’t mind watching him go 4/5 with a homer and a double today. I mean, even if he isn’t in the offer I would like that though...

[superfly]

I have to believe Burnes and one of Peralta/Woodruff are off the table for a position player rental. The one they like least would go in a trade somewhere....this management's MO has been "controllable talent acquisition." It seems highly contradictory to then trade away your top 2-3 pitching prospects for rental hitters.

 

Heyman also said awhile back there is "NO WAY" they are sending Burnes, Broxton, Arcia. I could see Woodruff/Peralta, Broxton, Arcia though or mix Phillips in for one of those guys.

[TURBO]

If Phillips is in the offer I sure wouldn’t mind watching him go 4/5 with a homer and a double today. I mean, even if he isn’t in the offer I would like that though...

 

Maybe that is why he is playing today, for a brief showcase...

[KeithStone53151]

Another thing to keep in mind, The O's may not want the specific guys we are offering. They may find Phillips and Ortiz less valuable than they truly are. They will likely have more interest in guys performing well, as woud I. Medeiros, Brown, Ray, etc. Hard to say what their FO wants, but what they like might not be the same as the guys that make the most sense for the Brewers to move.

[jvrocksaz]

The Brewers poor play of late may have just rushed the Orioles into making a decision sooner rather than later. If the Brewers struggle out of the break, the Orioles will lose on of their potential top suitors for Machado. The longer they wait, the possibility exists that the Brewers could decide to stand pat or even become sellers themselves with inexpensive veterans having solid seasons (with the likes of Thames, Guerra, Chacin or Anderson). If the Brewers fall out of it, other offers may come down or at least remain the same. It would be wise for the Orioles to make the move before any of the other teams have a bad stretch as well.

[JosephC]

Another thing to keep in mind, The O's may not want the specific guys we are offering. They may find Phillips and Ortiz less valuable than they truly are. They will likely have more interest in guys performing well, as woud I. Medeiros, Brown, Ray, etc. Hard to say what their FO wants, but what they like might not be the same as the guys that make the most sense for the Brewers to move.

 

The players that would likely be significant pieces in a fair deal for Machado would likely come out of the "top 10 organizational prospect" or "top 300" tier, and many of the Brewer prospects that were in the group at the beginning of the year have not performed all that well. Have players like Medeiros and Brown moved up into that category? Hard to tell. IMO, Medeiros would be a definite no. He's been hot lately but at the end of March he had a 4.29 ERA. At the end of June his WHIP was 1.44. And when evaluating the full MiLB resume, he's been a 4.78 ERA and 1.47 WHIP performer. Ascending prospect. Sure. Up enough to be considered a top 10 organizational prospect in an average minor league system? I don't think so. Brown, has he elevated his stock enough (from around 25'ish to begin the year) to be a "top 10 organizational prospect?" Numbers indicate maybe, scouting reports still suggest he might be a reliever long-term would would indicate probably not. I think the Phillies are much better equipped to make a deal for Machado, it just comes down to if they are willing to offer up enough to land him.

[MrTPlush]

The rumored list of Phillies prospects they were looking at was a bunch of guys not having great seasons from what I saw. You can only put so much stock in guys having good years and ones having bad years.

[KCBrewerfan34]

So we get him on Wednesday?

[LouisEly]

These could very well be strategic leaks by the Orioles trying to get teams to up their offer.

 

Not too unlike the rumors of the Brewers offering Darvish $100M plus. If you can't beat your rivals, get them to overpay.