Manny Machado (Part 1)

[homer]

It looks like the only trade that would be universally lauded would be Tyler Saladino, Jett Bandy, and Timber Rattler OFer Rob Henry for Machado and Britton.

[narwhalattack]

It looks like the only trade that would be universally lauded would be Tyler Saladino, Jett Bandy, and Timber Rattler OFer Rob Henry for Machado and Britton.

 

I’d like to acquire Machado and Britton for one peanut.

[82brewcrew82]

It looks like the only trade that would be universally lauded would be Tyler Saladino, Jett Bandy, and Timber Rattler OFer Rob Henry for Machado and Britton.

Why would you take talent off the Major league roster though?

[Outlander]

It looks like the only trade that would be universally lauded would be Tyler Saladino, Jett Bandy, and Timber Rattler OFer Rob Henry for Machado and Britton.

[sarcasm]Heck no, give up three years of control with Saladino for a rental?[/sarcasm]

[Yount19]

so if Tom H is talking about it.. https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/773324002?__twitter_impression=true

 

it must be happening.. LOL

[IntentionalHBP]

Ken rosenthal says “brewers are fading” in trade talks.

[82brewcrew82]

Ken rosenthal says “brewers are fading” in trade talks.

If "fading" means they won't budge on Burnes, then fine. Also said Phillies had upped their offer but Yanks/Dodgers in the lead. I want to part of a bidding war for Machado.

[KeithStone53151]

I'm not surprised by the fading talk. My guess is the Dodgers/Yankees/phillies are continuing to increase their offers and we've maxed out at what a reasonable cost might be...and that's ok.

 

Keep in mind this can all change with one phone call...as Stearns likes to say.

[Lee16]

If we don't want to give up the farm, literally, for Machado that's fine. But we need a bat, it's painfully obvious. We cannot let the deadline go by with our only offensive acquisition being something like Miller/Saladino. I'm warming more and more to the idea of Realmuto, even though it will be expensive.

[tmwiese55]

As fun as it would have been I'm fine if we've set our limit and don't budge. Move on to other options but as just said they have to add something to help out at middle IF and/or C. With the 40 man roster crunch I'm confident something will happen.

[502 to Right]

Ken rosenthal says “brewers are fading” in trade talks.

 

 

Good.

[TURBO]

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Phillies have increased their trade offer for Manny Machado.

 

However, Rosenthal adds that the Dodgers' and Yankees' offers for Machado "remain strongest." The Brewers, who had been seen as one of the favorites to land Machado, are "fading," according to Rosenthal, with the Diamondbacks also "on periphery." Things can change quickly during trade season, of course, so it's certainly no slam dunk that the slugger likely winds up either with the Dodgers or Yankees. Things seem to be trending toward Machado being dealt well before July 31.

 

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

 

Jul 13 - 1:40 PM

[wildcat2237]

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Phillies have increased their trade offer for Manny Machado.

 

However, Rosenthal adds that the Dodgers' and Yankees' offers for Machado "remain strongest." The Brewers, who had been seen as one of the favorites to land Machado, are "fading," according to Rosenthal, with the Diamondbacks also "on periphery." Things can change quickly during trade season, of course, so it's certainly no slam dunk that the slugger likely winds up either with the Dodgers or Yankees. Things seem to be trending toward Machado being dealt well before July 31.

 

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

 

Jul 13 - 1:40 PM

 

Praise the Lord.

[adambr2]

IMO it just doesn't mean much. If anything.

 

Cubs were the favorites a month ago, Dodgers before that, now the Cubs aren't even involved, Phillies were "out" recently, now presumably made a good offer, Dodgers had the strongest offer recently and now ?? Brewers were the favorites, now fading, Yankees are the frontrunners, except when they're not.

 

Until something appears imminent I just don't think stuff like this means much one way or another.

[82brewcrew82]

If we don't want to give up the farm, literally, for Machado that's fine. But we need a bat, it's painfully obvious. We cannot let the deadline go by with our only offensive acquisition being something like Miller/Saladino. I'm warming more and more to the idea of Realmuto, even though it will be expensive.

What if they don't get one? What if the right deal never materializes? Are we comfortable missing the playoffs by one game again knowing we enter next season with all of our assets and cap space? What if they don't make a move and win the division?

[Jenkins5]

If we don't want to give up the farm, literally, for Machado that's fine. But we need a bat, it's painfully obvious. We cannot let the deadline go by with our only offensive acquisition being something like Miller/Saladino. I'm warming more and more to the idea of Realmuto, even though it will be expensive.

What if they don't get one? What if the right deal never materializes? Are we comfortable missing the playoffs by one game again knowing we enter next season with all of our assets and cap space? What if they don't make a move and win the division?

 

In my opinion we have too much depth in our system with many guys blocked (OF.... few Pitchers) that we need to do something to improve team for a run this year. Machado, Escobar, Merrifield etc.....we can make a trade for someone who will help team win this year & not hurt future at all. Like earlier rumors Phillips & Ortiz are good prospects but buried a bit on depth chart & will have little impact on us moving forward losing them

[Brewcrewin07]

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Phillies have increased their trade offer for Manny Machado.

 

However, Rosenthal adds that the Dodgers' and Yankees' offers for Machado "remain strongest." The Brewers, who had been seen as one of the favorites to land Machado, are "fading," according to Rosenthal, with the Diamondbacks also "on periphery." Things can change quickly during trade season, of course, so it's certainly no slam dunk that the slugger likely winds up either with the Dodgers or Yankees. Things seem to be trending toward Machado being dealt well before July 31.

 

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

 

Jul 13 - 1:40 PM

This sucks, c'mon DS, just get this thing done...you are parting with...PROSPECTS, that's all they are. Unless you think you are giving up the next Trout or Harper or Kershaw, who really cares?? Best available bat, Crew in great position as is..Get it done.

[bill hAll Star]

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Phillies have increased their trade offer for Manny Machado.

 

However, Rosenthal adds that the Dodgers' and Yankees' offers for Machado "remain strongest." The Brewers, who had been seen as one of the favorites to land Machado, are "fading," according to Rosenthal, with the Diamondbacks also "on periphery." Things can change quickly during trade season, of course, so it's certainly no slam dunk that the slugger likely winds up either with the Dodgers or Yankees. Things seem to be trending toward Machado being dealt well before July 31.

 

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

 

Jul 13 - 1:40 PM

This sucks, c'mon DS, just get this thing done...you are parting with...PROSPECTS, that's all they are. Unless you think you are giving up the next Trout or Harper or Kershaw, who really cares?? Best available bat, Crew in great position as is..Get it done.

 

Cain, Odorizzi, Jeffress, Brantley, Escobar were all just "prospects" that were not Trout-caliber players. Yet they'd have combined for probably 60-70 WAR at relatively minimum salaries from 2008-2017 for the Brewers.

 

Debate on how good the non 2008 or non 2011 teams would've been, but one can argue that we'd have made other or more playoffs with those guys (or none, of course).

[bill hAll Star]

If we don't want to give up the farm, literally, for Machado that's fine. But we need a bat, it's painfully obvious. We cannot let the deadline go by with our only offensive acquisition being something like Miller/Saladino. I'm warming more and more to the idea of Realmuto, even though it will be expensive.

What if they don't get one? What if the right deal never materializes? Are we comfortable missing the playoffs by one game again knowing we enter next season with all of our assets and cap space? What if they don't make a move and win the division?

 

In my opinion we have too much depth in our system with many guys blocked (OF.... few Pitchers) that we need to do something to improve team for a run this year. Machado, Escobar, Merrifield etc.....we can make a trade for someone who will help team win this year & not hurt future at all. Like earlier rumors Phillips & Ortiz are good prospects but buried a bit on depth chart & will have little impact on us moving forward losing them

 

"Too much depth" has literally been the reason that the Brewers are this good, in my opinion, and I hope the plan for the future of the Brewers.

[adambr2]

Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Phillies have increased their trade offer for Manny Machado.

 

However, Rosenthal adds that the Dodgers' and Yankees' offers for Machado "remain strongest." The Brewers, who had been seen as one of the favorites to land Machado, are "fading," according to Rosenthal, with the Diamondbacks also "on periphery." Things can change quickly during trade season, of course, so it's certainly no slam dunk that the slugger likely winds up either with the Dodgers or Yankees. Things seem to be trending toward Machado being dealt well before July 31.

 

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

 

Jul 13 - 1:40 PM

This sucks, c'mon DS, just get this thing done...you are parting with...PROSPECTS, that's all they are. Unless you think you are giving up the next Trout or Harper or Kershaw, who really cares?? Best available bat, Crew in great position as is..Get it done.

 

You wanted to deal Brinson last year to get Gray too, which would look like a disaster of a move now and would have cost us Yelich.

 

Point being, it's not always about waiting for the prospects, it's also about getting the best value for them. This "they're prospects, who cares?? Get him" attitude would be a very quick way to run a franchise into the ground.

[Boomer5]

Are we fans of winning a WS or a fan of winning 85-90 games the next few years?

[bill hAll Star]

Are we fans of winning a WS or a fan of winning 85-90 games the next few years?

 

If only it was as simple as you make it out to be. Machado guarantees us nothing in terms of winning the division or making a run in the playoffs. Of course I'd like our odds a bit more this season.

 

The Cardinals played to be a ~90 win team for 20 years and won 100+ a few times.

 

They won the World Series in seasons where they had 83 wins and 90 wins.

 

There's an argument to be made that if you get in the playoffs 5 times with pretty good teams, it's better than making it 2 times with great teams.

[jonescm128]

Also important to remember we have a lot of quality prospects that are eligible for the rule 5 draft this fall. We can't protect them all so it would be wise to try and get some major league value from these guys instead of having teams pluck them for no cost. Here is a list of players eligible (taken from a post in the minor league thread)

 

COLORADO SPRINGS:

 

RHP Tristan Archer

RHP Bubba Derby

RHP Christian Meister (recently-signed former Indians farmhand is technically on the Sky Sox DL, last pitched in affiliated ball in 2016)

LHP Quintin-Torres-Costa

 

BILOXI:

 

IF Blake Allemand

SS Luis Aviles, Jr.

1B Jake Gatewood

RHP Nate Griep

LHP Brad Kuntz

C Carlos Leal (currently on restricted list)

C Max McDowell

LHP Kodi Medeiros

RHP Jon Olczak

RHP Jorge Ortega (would normally be a minor league free agent, but signed a deal through 2019 as he was rehabbing Tommy John)

RHP Luis Ortiz

RHP Jon Perrin

RHP Cody Ponce

RHP Dan Reynolds

RHP Tyler Spurlin (currently on suspended/restricted list)

OF Troy Stokes, Jr.

RHP Trey Supak

RHP Josh Uhen

 

CAROLINA:

 

RHP Phil Bickford

RHP Nattino Diplan

RHP Conor Harber

RHP Alec Kenilvort

LHP Nathan Kirby

LHP Drake Owenby

IF Tucker Neuhaus

RHP Wuilder Rodriguez

OF Joantgel Segovia

RHP Devin Williams

 

WISCONSIN:

 

RHP Rodrigo Benoit

RHP Jose Cuas

OF Jay Feliciano

RHP Nelson Hernandez

RHP Carlos Herrera

IF Gilbert Lara

RHP Michael Petersen

OF Nic Pierre

 

HELENA / MARYVALE:

 

RHP Jesus Brea

RHP Yosmer Leal (60-day DL)

RHP Carlos Luna

[adambr2]

Are we fans of winning a WS or a fan of winning 85-90 games the next few years?

 

I'm a fan of getting Machado. I'm okay with dealing multiple prospects from our roster crunch depth to get it done. I'd go Woodruff + Phillips + Diplan and not even really bat an eye. I could probably even be talked into a 4th piece like Brown or Supak.

 

But I really don't know what the price point we are discussing with them is. If we are talking about Burnes + Peralta, then no, we shouldn't do it. It has to be a quantity move.

[KeithStone53151]

You wanted to deal Brinson last year to get Gray too, which would look like a disaster of a move now and would have cost us Yelich.

 

Point being, it's not always about waiting for the prospects, it's also about getting the best value for them. This "they're prospects, who cares?? Get him" attitude would be a very quick way to run a franchise into the ground.

 

Can you imagine the crap situation we'd be in right now had we sent off Brinson for Gray or Quintana? We'd probably be 5 or 6 games behind the Cubs right now. Hard to know for certain how differently all the dominoes would have fallen, but it likely doesn't end well for us.