Manny Machado (Part 1)

[MilwaukeeBeers]

It's Nightengale move along folks. Nothing to see here.

[brewerfan82]

No need to get worked up and condescending about people dreaming. They don't need you to save them from their own expectations. If you think it's ridiculous to consider and it's frustrating to you, move on to another thread.

 

Now... LET'S GET THIS MANNY DEAL DONE!!!

[brewmann04]

I will be stunned to see the crew get Manny but very happy as long as we don't sell the farm.

[rickh150]

Nothing in DS past deals suggests a Machado deal is coming.... a rental that would cost our best prospects, no. More like, a rental for spare parts or good prospects for a talented player with a 3 to 5 year contract.

August deals make more cents..

deGrom makes way more sense.

[MrTPlush]

Nothing in DS past deals suggests a Machado deal is coming.... a rental that would cost our best prospects, no. More like, a rental for spare parts or good prospects for a talented player with a 3 to 5 year contract.

August deals make more cents..

deGrom makes way more sense.

 

DS has never had a legit contending team that wasn’t a total surprise/possible fluke.

 

So his past deals are almost completely irrelevant. Nothing DS did previously made signing Cain even entirely possible...until it happened.

[brewmann04]

MLB network again think Dodgers Phillies and Diamonbacks are front runners.

[rickh150]

Nothing in DS past deals suggests a Machado deal is coming.... a rental that would cost our best prospects, no. More like, a rental for spare parts or good prospects for a talented player with a 3 to 5 year contract.

August deals make more cents..

deGrom makes way more sense.

 

DS has never had a legit contending team that wasn’t a total surprise/possible fluke.

 

So his past deals are almost completely irrelevant. Nothing DS did previously made signing Cain even entirely possible...until it happened.

 

He isn't selling the farm for rentals. That would be a serious shift from all his winning team year to year talk with young, controlled talent. His actions over the last few years have shown us who he is. Why would he change now?

[superfly]

I do think the Brewers can be very competitive with the Machado sweepstakes because they have so many close to major league starting pitchers. That being said, they could set their sights on Eduardo Escobar, and I'd be fine with that. Even Jordy Mercer to mix in with Miller might be an option.

 

Escobar makes total sense. How about a Gibby/Escobar package deal?

[LouisEly]

I'm torn on this one. He's a rental, but he's a helluva rental - hard to argue that he wouldn't be the biggest mathematical upgrade due to his production and how poor of production they have been getting from SS. Plus the NL is ripe for the picking this year - the Brewers still have the best record in the NL. The competition has just as many if not more flaws than the Brewers.

 

That being said, it's not DS's MO to give up a lot for a rental. I could see him checking in close to the deadline and making a relatively low take-it-or-leave-it offer (Ortiz, Ray, and one of Derby/Wilkerson as the O's have made controllable pitching a priority) and see if that's the best one. The closer to the deadline the more the pressure is on the O's to get something for him rather than nothing.

[KeithStone53151]

I can't believe all the posts that he may be a long term option. Nothing that Stearns has done leads me to think he's ready to dump $250 million into 1 guy. I was honestly blown away when he dropped $80 million on Cain, and he's gonna triple that the very next offseason? Even if we could at the moment fit it into the budget, it's just not happening. It would hamstring us too much down the line financially, especially if he ended up a bust signing.

 

Now there's definitely a chance we could be in the mix for him as a rental. Heck we might even be a top 5 contender. But the long term talk is pointless. Our odds of signing him are right up there with Greinke and Fielder...I'm sure Machado is looking for top dollar and we can't offer it.

[adambr2]

I'm torn on this one. He's a rental, but he's a helluva rental - hard to argue that he wouldn't be the biggest mathematical upgrade due to his production and how poor of production they have been getting from SS. Plus the NL is ripe for the picking this year - the Brewers still have the best record in the NL. The competition has just as many if not more flaws than the Brewers.

 

That being said, it's not DS's MO to give up a lot for a rental. I could see him checking in close to the deadline and making a relatively low take-it-or-leave-it offer (Ortiz, Ray, and one of Derby/Wilkerson as the O's have made controllable pitching a priority) and see if that's the best one. The closer to the deadline the more the pressure is on the O's to get something for him rather than nothing.

 

That seems like a pretty fair top offer to me. I'd probably be willing to substitute Woodruff for Ortiz if desired by the Orioles because of who else we have in the wings besides Ortiz with Peralta and Burnes.

 

It's still a lot for a rental, (Machado isn't getting sold at a JD Martinez price), but I agree its possibly a huge needle mover especially when you look at our existing options at SS.

 

You look at what the Cubs paid to rent Chapman in 2016 (Torres+), Machado isn't going to cost that much, and could possibly have the same or more impact.

[Dadbauer]

I'm starting to think that the Brewers will shop Woodruff, and if you combine him with Ortiz and some lower level guys, you have a pretty decent offer to a team that will value young pitching while not really hurting our depth. With the emergence of Peralta, you have Chase, Davies, Chacin, Guerra, Miley, Peralta, and Suter all ready with Burnes and Nelson down the line, not to mention Hader in the future and Zack Brown on the rise. Woodruff is a great option to maintain depth, but he is also a great option for a team like the Orioles and it wouldn't hurt too bad to send him.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

Woodruff, Ortiz, Houser, Santana, Ray for Britton and Machado

 

Woodruff, Houser and Santana would enter the rotation, pen and line up immediately in Baltimore.

 

Cain CF

Yelich RF/LF

Machado SS

Aguilar/Thames 1B

Shaw 3B

Braun/Thames LF/RF

Pina/Kratz C

Villar/Perez/Saladino 2B

Pitcher

[Mr Southpaw]

Woodruff, Ortiz, Houser, Santana, Ray for Britton and Machado

 

Woodruff, Houser and Santana would enter the rotation, pen and line up immediately in Baltimore.

 

Cain CF

Yelich RF/LF

Machado SS

Aguilar/Thames 1B

Shaw 3B

Braun/Thames LF/RF

Pina/Kratz C

Villar/Perez/Saladino 2B

Pitcher

 

Woodruff, Ortiz, Houser, Santana, Ray for Britton, Machado and Michael Baumann (Ranked #12 RHP 22 years old in the Carolina League)

[MrTPlush]

Every time a see a trade offer involving Domingo Santana I feel like I’m watching a horror movie.

 

Britton doesn’t have much value coming off an injury pitching like a dumpster fire. Woodruff, Ortiz, Houser, Santana, and Ray basically for Machado. That sounds terrible.

 

Ray, Woodruff, and Ortiz is a pretty darn generous offer.

 

No way I’m throwing Santana away if his value is that low.

[Dadbauer]

Honestly, the Orioles probably feel the same way about Britton. I think they can do better splitting up Machado and Britton.

[Eye Black]

The most recent Ken Rosenthal Article for The Athletic mentions that the Orioles want to trade Manny Machado sooner rather than later because they think the return will be greater with three months of control remaining.

 

The article mentions the Brewers as "doing their due diligence on Machado", but also mentions that according to a source the Brewers are unlikely to meet the Orioles' asking price.

[Brewcrewin07]

Heyman weighs in...

 

https://fancredsports.com/articles/jon-heyman-milwaukee-checks-on-machado-as-mostly

[Boomer5]

If we don’t have to include Burnes, Peralta, or Hiura, we need to trade for him ASAP.

 

Ortiz, Ray, and Woody. If that’s all it would take we make the trade.

 

Miller Park would be sold out all season and we’d be on national tv every week.

[PDCBalla]

If that's all that it took to make that trade happen it would have already. The Brewers will have to part with likely two of those three to get Machado.

[Warning Track Power]

I have to believe Arcia would need to be involved in the deal. Given the Orioles ownership, I think it would have to be something like Burnes, Arcia and Ray for Machado.

[KeithStone53151]

I'm so curious where the bidding ends up. I can't remember such an impactful position player rental ever being traded at the deadline. It's amazing what adding Machado would do to our lineup, I'm definitely open depending on the cost. I'd have to agree that those 3 prospects should be off limits. I wonder how open the Orioles would be to some of our MLB ready guys like Woodruff, Phillips, Santana, Broxton, etc.

[KeithStone53151]

I have to believe Arcia would need to be involved in the deal. Given the Orioles ownership, I think it would have to be something like Burnes, Arcia and Ray for Machado.

 

If that's the ask, he won't be a Brewer. It's that simple. No way are we giving up Burnes or especially Arcia for Machado. That just isn't something Stearns would do.

[bill hAll Star]

I think I said it earlier: In life, I generally assume the best in people. I know that Peter Angelos does not like to rebuild and has been foolish with this in the past. However, I have to imagine that he cannot be stupid enough to try to trade for mostly MLB-ready guys and compete in 2019 or even 2020. I've misjudged stupid, rich guys before, though. Maybe he really would favor some of our MLB fringe guys.

[KeithStone53151]

I think I said it earlier: In life, I generally assume the best in people. I know that Peter Angelos does not like to rebuild and has been foolish with this in the past. However, I have to imagine that he cannot be stupid enough to try to trade for mostly MLB-ready guys and compete in 2019 or even 2020. I've misjudged stupid, rich guys before, though. Maybe he really would favor some of our MLB fringe guys.

 

It would be foolish if we didn't at least try to take advantage of a bad GM/owner in such a manner.