NFL Draft Thread

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Brees turns 40 during next season's playoffs, so any injury at all could be the one that makes him say enough is enough.

 

It's also an assumption that the Saints are good again. They were 7-9 three straight seasons as adambr2 just pointed out.

 

Brees doesn't even have to get a major injury. At his age a sore back could doom the Saints to 6 wins. It's also the NFL where teams quite often just surprisingly regress. I don't think it's a stretch that becomes a top 20 pick, and if Brees misses time for some reason it can easily be top 10.

 

Even if the Saints win the Super Bowl it puts the Packers in a great position for a run at twilight of Rodgers' time.

 

At the same time this post attempts to put light on the trade, it shows the negative to me in the trade. Rodgers is a year older, obviously collar bone fragile. His window is shorter and shorter too. Adding the guessed 90grade talent may be a year too late. And thats hopeful the return pick is top 15. This isnt TT's draft. We dont need to pile in 7+ picks next season when we have 12 this year. We reduced our draft dropping 4, and replacing a 3rd with a 5th. It's tiresome running out there a dozen late 4th rd-undrafted FAs to compete within the division drafting top 20s so often. Need top 60guys now, not next season.

Exactly, they should have stayed put and had their pick of Edmunds or James. IMO neither will disappoint, not so sure about Alexander. I understand the need for CB, but Jackson and Oliver are still there, trade up in the 2nd for one of them. They will both be better pros then Alexander will be.

 

There's a reason James and Edmunds fell. Looking back at history, hyped defensive guys that tumbled rarely end up making much of a splash in the league. Typically a case of GMs knowing more than fans and draft "experts".

 

Personally, I would have been excited with either of those guys, but if the Packers had similar grades on James, Edmunds and Alexander, they 100% did the right thing by collecting an extra 1st and getting Alexander. I know you shouldn't draft for need in many cases, but CB is a much bigger need position than safety or ILB.

[homer]

Walter Football draft chart has the 80th pick as 190 value.

 

101 = 96

133 = 39.5

147 = 32.6

172 = 22.6

 

190.7

 

Yeah you're right, I was looking at it wrong. Can't believe it's that much. Don't see us moving back up into the 3rd unless it's just a few spots.

 

They could always trade down a few spots in the 2nd.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers' collar bone isn't fragile. A bone isn't more susceptible to breaking if you broke it once before. These aren't ligament and tendons, they're bones. He has no greater chance than any other QB to re-injure it.

 

He may be more susceptible generally to getting hurt because of all his scrambling and holding on to the ball, but there isn't some increased risk of re-injury to a broken bone.

 

I further reject that the Packers need to go all in on 2018. It's reasonable that Rodgers has 3 seasons left playing superb football, and that's conservative. He could have another decade in him for all we know.

 

I just can't see the downside to what they did last night. It was pure wizardry what Gute pulled off and the way teams value picks they've just given themselves a bunch of options for the future of the team.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Rodgers' collar bone isn't fragile. A bone isn't more susceptible to breaking if you broke it once before. These aren't ligament and tendons, they're bones. He has no greater chance than any other QB to re-injure it.

 

He may be more susceptible generally to getting hurt because of all his scrambling and holding on to the ball, but there isn't some increased risk of re-injury to a broken bone.

 

This is 100% correct.

[brewcrewdue80]

Rodgers' collar bone isn't fragile. A bone isn't more susceptible to breaking if you broke it once before. These aren't ligament and tendons, they're bones. He has no greater chance than any other QB to re-injure it.

 

He may be more susceptible generally to getting hurt because of all his scrambling and holding on to the ball, but there isn't some increased risk of re-injury to a broken bone.

 

2 for Rodgers, 2 for Tony Romo. This is recent within 10 seasons. Romo retired. When Rodgers has it happen a 3rd time, he'll make tge precedence that collarbones are fragile, like ACLs in football/basketball.

 

So figure out for me the trade value total between the two trades, giving us the 20 pick next season. 14/27/3rd/6th for 18/5th/7th&20next year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers' collar bone isn't fragile. A bone isn't more susceptible to breaking if you broke it once before. These aren't ligament and tendons, they're bones. He has no greater chance than any other QB to re-injure it.

 

He may be more susceptible generally to getting hurt because of all his scrambling and holding on to the ball, but there isn't some increased risk of re-injury to a broken bone.

 

2 for Rodgers, 2 for Tony Romo. This is recent within 10 seasons. Romo retired. When Rodgers has it happen a 3rd time, he'll make tge precedence that collarbones are fragile, like ACLs in football/basketball.

 

So figure out for me the trade value total between the two trades, giving us the 20 pick next season. 14/27/3rd/6th for 18/5th/7th&20next year.

 

Romo had serious back problems, his collarbone is not why he retired. You're also aware that Rodgers broke two different collarbones, right?

 

This is average joe water cooler talk. Rodgers collarbone is not an issue. It's one of the more fragile bones in the human body, period, and being driven to ground in the manner he was both times by NFL defensive lineman is going to break it 9/10 times.

 

An ACL is not even on the same planet as this. It's bone, not tissue. You're way off here.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Rodgers' collar bone isn't fragile. A bone isn't more susceptible to breaking if you broke it once before. These aren't ligament and tendons, they're bones. He has no greater chance than any other QB to re-injure it.

 

He may be more susceptible generally to getting hurt because of all his scrambling and holding on to the ball, but there isn't some increased risk of re-injury to a broken bone.

 

2 for Rodgers, 2 for Tony Romo. This is recent within 10 seasons. Romo retired. When Rodgers has it happen a 3rd time, he'll make tge precedence that collarbones are fragile, like ACLs in football/basketball.

 

So figure out for me the trade value total between the two trades, giving us the 20 pick next season. 14/27/3rd/6th for 18/5th/7th&20next year.

 

First one was left collarbone. Last year was right one. One does not become more brittle through osmosis.

 

Plus your value chart doesn't work. #14 and #27 cannot be added because they never held both at the same time.

[homer]

I was told when you break your collarbone it actually is stronger than it originally was after it heals....at least that's what the doctor told me when I broke mine in high school.

[Eye Black]

Here's a link to a draft value calculator:

https://www.footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm

How accurate/reliable do you think this draft calculator is? It is interesting to use, I was curious how high of a pick the Packers might be able to move up to next year if they decided to trade both first round picks. I choose picks #25 and #30 as guesses for where the Packers and Saints would finish, and it said it was equal value to the #3 overall selection. If the Packers could package those two 1st round picks to move up that high I would be ecstatic (but I am a little skeptical).

[PeaveyFury]

Still a solid amount of talent here a few picks away. Wouldn’t be stunned by a trade down to nab a third back.

[Jenkins5]

Sutton, Landry, Gesicki all just went 40-42.... three guys I would have liked to have.... interested in what they do here.

[Jenkins5]

Jackson, Goedert, Kirk, Chark, Hubbard, Carter, Miller?

[pacopete4]

SF just traded in front of us.

[PeaveyFury]

Man, Jackson has to be intriguing here. I like Williams as well for o-line depth.

[PeaveyFury]

InLOVE with that. Man, what an exciting value pick.

[xisxisxis]

That's a nice gift. There's the big CB to go with the fast/small CB... Pettine must be in heaven.

[young guns]

Love this. Eventually if we throw enough cbs at the wall some of them have to stick.

[pacopete4]

Find a pass rush and this defense should have enough on the back end to cover.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Love this. Eventually if we throw enough cbs at the wall some of them have to stick.

 

I mean, that hasn't really worked for us yet but here's hoping

[Jenkins5]

You got King & Jackson for outside....Alexander slot.... Ha Ha FS & Jones at SS for the future! 5 top 2 round guys. Mix in Williams & House, that gives you options!

 

Could see a lot of King & Williams Outside, Alexander slot, Jones IB, and Jackson SS (Hyde type role)

 

Still be a learning curve with how young they are. Ha Ha is the old man at what? 25/26 lol but potential to be a huge strength for us soon is exciting!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

As I've said I don't follow college at all so I have to research the guys as they're picked. But Hawkeyes have been great for the Packers and all seem to be tough players. So I'm happy to see another.

[young guns]

Love this. Eventually if we throw enough cbs at the wall some of them have to stick.

 

I mean, that hasn't really worked for us yet but here's hoping

Which is why we are still throwing lol.

[xisxisxis]

Two excellent picks to address the biggest needs frees up 11 picks to go after BPA and depth at several positions. This draft is looking excellent for current needs and opens up the strategy for the remaining picks.

[young guns]

Part of me feels like the eagles drafted someone named Dallas just to antagonize the cowboys, let alone someone who the cowboys wanted too.

[Jenkins5]

Nice thing about the last three is that they were all 1st round talents. Alexander’s injuries in 17’ are only reason he wasn’t competing with Ward for Top CB taken according to many scouts. King was legit option before we traded out last year. Jackson was a guy a lot of people thought would be gone by 10-20.

 

The other two.... Well a FS reach with plans to convert to CB & a basketball player who had barely played football.... Randell did have moments though. Rollins had never been healthy enough to show anything.

 

Like the recent direction much more! I think Jones will step up huge for us this year! Loved that pick last year