Thames to DL.....Woodruff recalled from AAA

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Depth is a thing that all great teams have. Stearn's was smart to not trade Santana, Aguillar, Thames etc

 

He was smart not to trade them for less than what he thought they were worth. I'm guessing he would have traded one or two of those guys in a minute if he got the return he wanted. Still would.

 

You could say that about literally any player at any time.

[FVBrewerFan]

Citing the upcoming Cub series as a reason to have Woodruff in the pen basically means they are expecting Suter to get shelled once again Friday...if that's the case, why not have Woodruff make that start? There's no way he shouldn't be starting games over Suter right now.

 

I don't think it means that at all. They have been one arm short in the pen for a while now. Woodruff is just one more guy that can go multiple innings. After a Suter start, Chacin, Guerra, or anyone else. I don't see why he's being tied to Suter specifically?

[And That]

If Thames wouldn't have been hurt, I don't think there would have been much additional conversation about replacing Suter with Woodruff. A position player injury usually doesn't change the calculus on the constitution of the rotation.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Chacin won't start against the Cubs this weekend, and Guerra has a 0.56 ERA in 3 starts...sure it's not directed 100% towards Suter, but everyone knows that's the first matchup they looked at. So why not start Woodruff that game and shift Suter into the longman role where he probably belongs?

 

I will say that with both Woodruff and Suter up in Milwaukee, another bad start from Suter and he's probably out of the rotation. With both Woodruff and Suter stretched out the time to make a change like that would be in the next week or so.

[TJseven7]

If Thames wouldn't have been hurt, I don't think there would have been much additional conversation about replacing Suter with Woodruff. A position player injury usually doesn't change the calculus on the constitution of the rotation.

 

I like suter but have been trying to keep him out of the rotation all year.

[And That]

So why not start Woodruff that game and shift Suter into the longman role where he probably belongs?

I don't know the answer as to why they continue to start Suter but my point was, the Brewers decision on who the starting pitchers are against the Cubs almost certainly wasn't going to be changed by a member of the offense getting hurt.

[istanbultaye]

Citing the upcoming Cub series as a reason to have Woodruff in the pen basically means they are expecting Suter to get shelled once again Friday...if that's the case, why not have Woodruff make that start? There's no way he shouldn't be starting games over Suter right now.

 

I don't think it means that at all. They have been one arm short in the pen for a while now. Woodruff is just one more guy that can go multiple innings. After a Suter start, Chacin, Guerra, or anyone else. I don't see why he's being tied to Suter specifically?

 

In terms of Woodruff claiming a spot in the rotation, it's pretty clear that Suter is in the weakest position to maintain his spot right now. However, you're correct in terms of giving some length to cover innings for <=5 inning starts from the bullpen doesn't necessarily have to link to Suter specifically. Heck, he could even have to cover innings tonight if Chacin has problems with the Royals.

[Fear The Chorizo]

So why not start Woodruff that game and shift Suter into the longman role where he probably belongs?

I don't know the answer as to why they continue to start Suter but my point was, the Brewers decision on who the starting pitchers are against the Cubs almost certainly wasn't going to be changed by a member of the offense getting hurt.

 

Understandable, and the unfortunate DL stint for Thames winds up making it much easier to get the pen rounded out to the number it needs to be for awhile - I guess my main point was why waste a game against the Cubs with Suter starting if you have a better option on the roster and could shift Suter into the longman role starting as early as tonight, too? Guess it's just my opinion, but I feel like Woodruff is a better starting pitching option than Suter and shouldn't be in an uneven role between the pen and starting to give Suter more starts.

[FVBrewerFan]

Citing the upcoming Cub series as a reason to have Woodruff in the pen basically means they are expecting Suter to get shelled once again Friday...if that's the case, why not have Woodruff make that start? There's no way he shouldn't be starting games over Suter right now.

 

I don't think it means that at all. They have been one arm short in the pen for a while now. Woodruff is just one more guy that can go multiple innings. After a Suter start, Chacin, Guerra, or anyone else. I don't see why he's being tied to Suter specifically?

 

In terms of Woodruff claiming a spot in the rotation, it's pretty clear that Suter is in the weakest position to maintain his spot right now. However, you're correct in terms of giving some length to cover innings for <=5 inning starts from the bullpen doesn't necessarily have to link to Suter specifically. Heck, he could even have to cover innings tonight if Chacin has problems with the Royals.

 

Yea, that's my point. If they were looking at replacing Suter in the rotation with Woodruff, they would have brought up Lopez or Houser and keep Woodruff stretched out in CS.

 

Don't get me wrong, I would take Woodruff over Suter in the rotation but obviously the Brewers don't see it that way. Could very well be if Suter has another bad start or two they're planning on Burnes or Peralta to take that spot.

[And That]

I hear you. I don't disagree that Woodruff should be starting instead of Suter. But that die was more or less cast when they announced the weekend starters a day or two ago.

[liveforoctober]

Maybe I am bad at interpreting .. but listening to Stearns comments it sounded like they wanted the extra arm for the Cubs series and then things would be re-evaluated?

[pacopete4]

Whatever. Thames will still hit 30 bombs.

[dlk9s]

 

Translation: When Thames returns from injury, he will hit like Mike Trout.

[MrTPlush]

Depth is a thing that all great teams have. Stearn's was smart to not trade Santana, Aguillar, Thames etc

 

He was smart not to trade them for less than what he thought they were worth. I'm guessing he would have traded one or two of those guys in a minute if he got the return he wanted. Still would.

 

You could say that about literally any player at any time.

 

He was actively trying to trade at least two of those guys pretty hard. He likely preferred to not keep all three. Having all three right now is a matter of luck we got lowballed or nowhere near what Stearns wanted.

 

Can't say that about every player.

[danzig6767]

Depth is a thing that all great teams have. Stearn's was smart to not trade Santana, Aguillar, Thames etc

This is where the team badly needs Santana to start hitting like he did last year.

 

The bottom of the order has been crap at SS, 2nd base, and catcher, so Santana has to help keep that first five spots really productive.

[pacopete4]

Per TomH

Eric Thames likes to stay busy so he isn't looking to spending several weeks on the DL: "This is the worst for me. I'm going to go stir crazy. I guess I'm going to have huge calves, huge quads from working out my legs a lot. A lot of reading. I'll do that to keep my mind sharp."

[Brewer Fever]

The silence is deafening from those who inundated us with literally hundreds of posts how Stearns erred badly with "excess" depth and not breaking the bank for a starting pitcher. I don't want to go too far out on a limb here, but it sorta seems like the Brewers GM knows what he's doing.

[torts]

The silence is deafening from those who inundated us with literally hundreds of posts how Stearns erred badly with "excess" depth and not breaking the bank for a starting pitcher. I don't want to go too far out on a limb here, but it sorta seems like the Brewers GM knows what he's doing.

 

its like.. theres a reason he has his job and we dont, or something

[bork]

Miley has another rehab start and then they have to decide to fish or cut bait. Sounds like Miley and Logan may be up soon, which means Woodruff's stay is short lived.

[wildcat83]

If Suter does need a quick hook in his next start I like having Woodruff back him up. Two drastically different pitchers which is nice to have go back to back.

[adambr2]

The depth we have is a fantastic asset right now, but we also don't need to go "See?! See?!" every single time we have an injury.

 

Injuries are mostly circumstantial and we could just as easily be completely healthy and have dumped Aguilar for nothing by now because we needed the spot and couldn't find an AB anywhere for him.

 

Obviously, this wasn't totally by design or plan because we were certainly open to moving multiple guys, particularly Santana or Aguilar. No one was willing to meet Stearns' price so he held his ground and that was the correct decision. I don't think there's anyone here that seriously thinks they can do a better job than Stearns.

[pacopete4]

Says the man who calls out being "right" about trading Braun anytime he has a slump or hits the DL. Just friggin ignore it. I sure as heck am glad we have the depth. It has paid off in more ways than one so far this year.

[adambr2]

Says the man who calls out being "right" about trading Braun anytime he has a slump or hits the DL. Just friggin ignore it. I sure as heck am glad we have the depth. It has paid off in more ways than one so far this year.

 

What a petty, immature post. I have been wrong about many things and have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. Because I've among many others pointed out that the 2016 deal for Braun would have been a good deal for us, in Braun related threads, that's the same?

 

I said in the first line that the depth was a fantastic thing to have, just that it was mostly circumstantial that we've needed it so much because the injury bug has been especially bad. Nothing more. I wasn't calling you out specifically at all as you just did to me.

 

And please don't tell me what to 'ignore' anymore, I am not a child.

[pacopete4]

Says the man who calls out being "right" about trading Braun anytime he has a slump or hits the DL. Just friggin ignore it. I sure as heck am glad we have the depth. It has paid off in more ways than one so far this year.

 

What a petty, immature post. I have been wrong about many things and have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. Because I've among many others pointed out that the 2016 deal for Braun would have been a good deal for us, in Braun related threads, that's the same?

 

I said in the first line that the depth was a fantastic thing to have, just that it was mostly circumstantial that we've needed it so much because the injury bug has been especially bad. Nothing more. I wasn't calling out anyone specifically at all as you just did to me.

 

And please don't tell me what to 'ignore' anymore, I am not a child.

 

Guess I should've put one of these ( ) in there because I really wasn't intending it to be a jerk to you, more so having fun with you since you constantly bring it up and it is "see, see" comment. It really isn't a big deal, at all, since we all do it when we think we are right about something. No need for the ruffled feathers fella... cheers.

[adambr2]

Says the man who calls out being "right" about trading Braun anytime he has a slump or hits the DL. Just friggin ignore it. I sure as heck am glad we have the depth. It has paid off in more ways than one so far this year.

 

What a petty, immature post. I have been wrong about many things and have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. Because I've among many others pointed out that the 2016 deal for Braun would have been a good deal for us, in Braun related threads, that's the same?

 

I said in the first line that the depth was a fantastic thing to have, just that it was mostly circumstantial that we've needed it so much because the injury bug has been especially bad. Nothing more. I wasn't calling out anyone specifically at all as you just did to me.

 

And please don't tell me what to 'ignore' anymore, I am not a child.

 

Guess I should've put one of these ( ) in there because I really wasn't intending it to be a jerk to you, more so having fun with you since you constantly bring it up and it is "see, see" comment. It really isn't a big deal, at all, since we all do it when we think we are right about something. No need for the ruffled feathers fella... cheers.

 

You're right, it's not that big of a deal, I probably overreacted. My bad. I suck at interpreting intent online.

 

Anyway, whether planned or not, I agree the depth is definitely paying off

Hopefully we'll be healthier in the 2nd half and won't need as much of it.