Jonathan Schoop

[adambr2]

If we have a pretty steady rotation near the deadline and are still looking to upgrade, I think this guy is a likely target. The Orioles are pretty much dead in the water from the get-go, and if they don't extend Schoop he'll be a free agent after 2019. That's the perfect amount of time for us and prevents the need to rush Hiura.

 

He's hurt to start out this year, but established himself as one of the best 2B in the game last year and is only 26. Not sure what it would take, but I can't see the Orioles holding onto him at the deadline unless they extend him first.

[3and2Fastball]

(Small Sample Alert) Hiura is hitting below .200 in A+ ball so I don't think he's on a path to be rushed. Also Villar is out producing Schoop so far this year.

 

(Large Sample Alert) Schoop is a career .263/.299./.448 player with 6 stolen bases in 2072 AB's. Villar is a career .257/.325/.395 with 131 stolen bases in 1651 AB's

[homer]

Schoop is a nice player but I don't think he fits a Stearns profile as he can only play 2nd base. I think peak Schoop is a bit better than peak Villar but with the increased salary and positional restriction I don't think it's something the Brewers would consider.

[Lahoud]

Schoop-2017-32 homers, 105 Rbi -free agent 2020

[pacopete4]

How can a guy with a career OBP of .299 be one of the best 2Bs in the game? No thanks. Villar for the win.

[adambr2]

How can a guy with a career OBP of .299 be one of the best 2Bs in the game? No thanks. Villar for the win.

 

Because he hits for an extremely good amount of power for a middle infielder and plays decent defense. The career OBP is low but he was brought up at 21 and a regular by 22. Last year he was at .338 which is fine. He was also a 5.2 WAR player last year which JV will not touch in his best year.

[nate82]

I don't even want to think what it would take for Baltimore to part with Schoop. Since the Orioles ownership is very reluctant to give up Machado I doubt they would be willing to give up Schoop also.

 

I think the starting point starts with Hiura, Burnes, plus others just to get the Orioles ownership to listen on Schoop. That package is something I would have a hard time giving up for Machado let alone Schoop. I do like Schoop but I think the price is going to be more than what he is actually worth.

[jerichoholicninja]

I'm sure the Orioles will hang on to him and let him walk for practically nothing. They have no clue what they're doing there.

[3and2Fastball]

Tons of middle infielders hit for power now. The 32 HR's in an outlier season is not as big of a deal as it once was

[3and2Fastball]

Since the beginning of 2017, Schoop has been worth about 1.2 WAR more than Scooter Gennett, who also hit a lot of HR's last year

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=5,d

[adambr2]

His power isn't an outlier. His rookie season he had 1 HR every 30 PAs and since it has been around 1 per 25 or better.

[MrTPlush]

He was also a 5.2 WAR player last year which JV will not touch in his best year.

 

That is all fine and dandy if he can prove to repeat it. You would likely have to pay 5 WAR price to get him (so like Yelich-esque price). He could easily dip down to a 3 WAR guy or lower moving forward. Not so special and not a huge improvement for the price over Villar.

[Outlander]

He has an oblique strain so would certainly fit right in. The Orioles are messed up so have no idea what it would take but can't imagine it being Yelich-esque with only 1.5 years of control. Agree with Homer that he doesn't really fit the Stearns profile.

[adambr2]

He was also a 5.2 WAR player last year which JV will not touch in his best year.

 

That is all fine and dandy if he can prove to repeat it. You would likely have to pay 5 WAR price to get him (so like Yelich-esque price). He could easily dip down to a 3 WAR guy or lower moving forward. Not so special and not a huge improvement for the price over Villar.

 

If he is a 3 WAR guy going forward that should definitely be an improvement over Villar. Some of you are still really high on Villar. I want to buy in, because our best case scenario at 2B is a big internal improvement from Villar. I just don't really see it.

 

I know he's carrying a really nice batting average but everything else stinks. He's pretty much devolved into just a slap hitter with almost no power. That would be fine if he could get on base but he's drawing walks at Hernan Perez levels while still striking out 30% of the time, all the while carrying a very unsustainably high BABIP. Speed is still good but the 60+ SBs was definitely an abberation.

 

I really hope he can have a nice season because that's our best case scenario at 2B like I said. I will say in his defense the defense has seemed plenty passable and I haven't really noticed any baserunning mistakes.

[MrTPlush]

Villar’s biggest problem moving forward is the fact even if he is average he can’t use one of his most valuable assets, speed, that much. At least in a super useful way. There is no need for him at the top of the order anymore(if his OBP skills return to a more acceptable level) because of Yelich/Cain additions. Stealing infront of Arcia and the pitcher is pretty pointless...even infront of the the catcher, Arcia, and the pitcher.

 

If his isn’t going to tap into his power anymore he should be in a position where he can create runs with his speed.

[clancyphile]

Villar’s biggest problem moving forward is the fact even if he is average he can’t use one of his most valuable assets, speed, that much. At least in a super useful way. There is no need for him at the top of the order anymore(if his OBP skills return to a more acceptable level) because of Yelich/Cain additions. Stealing infront of Arcia and the pitcher is pretty pointless...even infront of the the catcher, Arcia, and the pitcher.

 

If his isn’t going to tap into his power anymore he should be in a position where he can create runs with his speed.

 

I think that with Arcia/pitcher, it is the PERFECT place for Villar to run.

 

He can run, and if he gets to third, with one or no outs, then you run a squeeze.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Revisiting this thread with Duquette now saying that the Orioles are in a full rebuild. Schoop has not put up great numbers this year, but was terrific last year and is controlled through 2019, which would line up quite nicely with Hiura's realistic timeline. Plus he's only 26. Has some versatility at 3B and a little at SS as well. Thoughts?

[YelichPosse]

Revisiting this thread with Duquette now saying that the Orioles are in a full rebuild. Schoop has not put up great numbers this year, but was terrific last year and is controlled through 2019, which would line up quite nicely with Hiura's realistic timeline. Plus he's only 26. Has some versatility at 3B and a little at SS as well. Thoughts?

 

eek. He is having a bad year. And even the last 2 years he sure did K a whole lot... Not sure if we want to add that to an already K friendly lineup. If he was sent for a Villar straight up - I would do it, and hedge my bets that he returns to more of a 2017 or 2016 Schoop. Not much more I would offer up however. What would you give up for him?

[homer]

He is having a bad year but he had oblique issues which he is just now getting over. I expect his second half to be pretty good.

[JohnBriggs12]

.368/.362/.579 so far in July. Controlled through 2019, plus unlike Dozier, you could convince O's to deal him now, rather than wait until last minute. I'd take a shot. At least you could use Schoop as leverage to get Twins to act now rather than later.

[bill hAll Star]

.368/.362/.579 so far in July. Controlled through 2019, plus unlike Dozier, you could convince O's to deal him now, rather than wait until last minute. I'd take a shot.

 

Nothing like trying to chase a hot streak in which the guy has a higher batting average than OBP.

 

The one thing I'll agree on is that while I don't value him that highly, his July numbers do at least show that he's not dead in the water...but that Avg/OBP is right in line with his extremely streaky zero-walk mentality.

[JohnBriggs12]

.368/.362/.579 so far in July. Controlled through 2019, plus unlike Dozier, you could convince O's to deal him now, rather than wait until last minute. I'd take a shot.

 

Nothing like trying to chase a hot streak in which the guy has a higher batting average than OBP.

 

The one thing I'll agree on is that while I don't value him that highly, his July numbers do at least show that he's not dead in the water...but that Avg/OBP is right in line with his extremely streaky zero-walk mentality.

 

Brewers need RBI punch in the 6th spot in their order. That's an RBI spot, not an OBP spot. This is a guy who drove in 105 runs last year. Who's going to drive him in if he walks? Kratz? Broxton?

[brewcrewdue80]

Schoop is mildly interesting. Control through next season maybe 2 if he sat in AAA for a month. You'd have the contract season for him to hope he builds on in what is his prime 27yr season. Last season he was worth a 5WAR. He's a guy that had higher expectations than what he's produced aside from last season. A gamble on him could be really beneficial while I'd expect a cost not including the top 5 of the team's prospects. Luis Ortiz could be a good get for them with a throw-in. Ortiz while young and talented, is continuing his trend of low IP. Maybe he'll reach 115? but under 100 while a rule 5 decision coming and needing protection....I feel he's expendable because a SP workload at the ML level must be another 2 years away for him. You've got Burnes and Peralta so he's blocked anyway for a period.

 

What if they swapped Villar with Ortiz for Schoop?

[brewcrewdue80]

Schoop is mildly interesting. Control through next season maybe 2 if he sat in AAA for a month. You'd have the contract season for him to hope he builds on in what is his prime 27yr season. Last season he was worth a 5WAR. He's a guy that had higher expectations than what he's produced aside from last season. A gamble on him could be really beneficial while I'd expect a cost not including the top 5 of the team's prospects. Luis Ortiz could be a good get for them with a throw-in. Ortiz while young and talented, is continuing his trend of low IP. Maybe he'll reach 115? but under 100 while a rule 5 decision coming and needing protection....I feel he's expendable because a SP workload at the ML level must be another 2 years away for him. You've got Burnes and Peralta so he's blocked anyway for a period.

 

What if they swapped Villar with Ortiz for Schoop?

[TooLiveBrew]

I wouldn't add much to Villar for Schoop, & certainly not Ortiz. Villar has another year of salary control, and both guys have had one seemingly breakout year surrounded by mediocre years.