Tyler Saladino a Brewer [7/5 -- back from injury & in the starting lineup]

[pacopete4]

 

Are you suggesting that Villar's confidence may have been shattered by moving him from SS to full time starter at 2B?

 

Probably didn’t help being jacked around. Yes, it could be one of the factors. Dismissing that seems odd.

[FVBrewerFan]

 

Are you suggesting that Villar's confidence may have been shattered by moving him from SS to full time starter at 2B?

 

Probably didn’t help being jacked around. Yes, it could be one of the factors. Dismissing that seems odd.

 

Seems odd that a player's confidence would be crushed by being in the line-up every day.

[pacopete4]

 

Are you suggesting that Villar's confidence may have been shattered by moving him from SS to full time starter at 2B?

 

Probably didn’t help being jacked around. Yes, it could be one of the factors. Dismissing that seems odd.

 

Seems odd that a player's confidence would be crushed by being in the line-up every day.

 

It’s not just about being in the lineup everyday. Imagine you have the season Villar had but yet you’re told you need to find a new position for a player that didn’t deserve being there. Not a great confidence booster for you as a player with that organization no matter how you spin it.

[jerichoholicninja]

 

Seems odd that a player's confidence would be crushed by being in the line-up every day.

 

It’s not just about being in the lineup everyday. Imagine you have the season Villar had but yet you’re told you need to find a new position for a player that didn’t deserve being there. Not a great confidence booster for you as a player with that organization no matter how you spin it.

 

Not a good sign of mental aptitude of a player either if he gets moved to a different position for a vastly superior defender while still playing everyday but it kills his confidence. The Brewers did everything they could to get Villar in the lineup everyday. It's not like they stuck him on the bench.

[Devinep]

Villar didn’t deserve being there (SS) either. I don’t buy moving positions = Being “jacked around”

[FVBrewerFan]

It’s not just about being in the lineup everyday. Imagine you have the season Villar had but yet you’re told you need to find a new position for a player that didn’t deserve being there. Not a great confidence booster for you as a player with that organization no matter how you spin it.

 

I'm not spinning anything. You've been on this rampage about Villar all year. Why can't you accept he simply had a bad year? Was it because of the pressure of not signing the contract extension? Who knows.

 

But you seem to go out of your way to find conspiracy theories to explain something that happens to a ton players every year. They have a bad season. And you lose credibility when you throw things around like "Arcia didn't deserve to be there." Obviously he did, he had a decent season.

 

You also lose credibility when you talk about the fans turning against him. They had every right to do that when he was horrible on the bases, in the field , and at the plate. When a player doesn't perform well, they're not going to be a fan favorite.

 

But I don't get the sense there's this intense hate for him. I don't hear him boo'd when his name is announced before a game do you? I don't know, I just don't get this whole idea of "I hope he gets an opportunity elsewhere" schtik. He's getting plenty of opportunity right where he is.

[Point Beer Is Best]

 

It’s not just about being in the lineup everyday. Imagine you have the season Villar had but yet you’re told you need to find a new position for a player that didn’t deserve being there. Not a great confidence booster for you as a player with that organization no matter how you spin it.

 

 

So we're just going to pretend that the team didn't DFA Scooter Gennett (who you also lament the loss of) to make room for Villar in the everyday lineup?

 

After 2016, it was extremely clear based on the evidence they had that the best everyday lineup was with Arcia at SS and Villar at 2B, which rendered Gennett useless given he lacked versatility. They certainly didn't "jerk around" Villar. They gave him an everyday position in the lineup and gave him every chance to succeed. You act as if the team totally blew it by not leaving Arcia in AAA, Villar at SS and Gennett at 2B, operating with the benefit of hindsight.

[pacopete4]

I’m good with disagreements. I’ll just be happy to see him elsewhere. Not sure why people take offense to that but I just don’t agree with how he’s been handled. FVBrewers, I don’t give a rats behjnd about getting any sort of credibility from you so get off your high horse. It’s just an opinion, like yours.

[FVBrewerFan]

I’m good with disagreements. I’ll just be happy to see him elsewhere. Not sure why people take offense to that but I just don’t agree with how he’s been handled.

 

Won't his confidence REALLY be shattered if he gets traded?

 

Sorry man, just having fun ; )

[pacopete4]

I’m good with disagreements. I’ll just be happy to see him elsewhere. Not sure why people take offense to that but I just don’t agree with how he’s been handled.

 

Won't his confidence REALLY be shattered if he gets traded?

 

Sorry man, just having fun ; )

 

No, you’re being condescending over really nothing.

[pacopete4]

I’m good with disagreements. I’ll just be happy to see him elsewhere. Not sure why people take offense to that but I just don’t agree with how he’s been handled.

 

Won't his confidence REALLY be shattered if he gets traded?

 

Sorry man, just having fun ; )

 

No, you’re being condescending over really nothing. No one on these boards needs any sort of approval from you.

[82brewcrew82]

I’m good with disagreements. I’ll just be happy to see him elsewhere. Not sure why people take offense to that but I just don’t agree with how he’s been handled.

 

Won't his confidence REALLY be shattered if he gets traded?

 

Sorry man, just having fun ; )

 

No, you’re being condescending over really nothing. No one on these boards needs any sort of approval from you.

[TooLiveBrew]

Ok, time to play nice & move on, everyone

[rickh150]

 

Are you suggesting that Villar's confidence may have been shattered by moving him from SS to full time starter at 2B?

 

Probably didn’t help being jacked around. Yes, it could be one of the factors. Dismissing that seems odd.

 

Ridiculous... longest leash given for any Brewer.

In 2017, The team played bad Villar regularly in the leadoff spot for 5 months before finally realizing that he needed to sit. In 2018, the team still wants him to be 2016 Villar, has around 250 PA, and still gets the most time at the position. Unfair treatment to Villar rants are like complaining Votto gets unfair treatment with balls and strikes.

[pacopete4]

 

Are you suggesting that Villar's confidence may have been shattered by moving him from SS to full time starter at 2B?

 

Probably didn’t help being jacked around. Yes, it could be one of the factors. Dismissing that seems odd.

 

Ridiculous... longest leash given for any Brewer.

In 2017, The team played bad Villar regularly in the leadoff spot for 5 months before finally realizing that he needed to sit. In 2018, the team still wants him to be 2016 Villar, has around 250 PA, and still gets the most time at the position. Unfair treatment to Villar rants are like complaining Votto gets pinched on his strike zone.

 

Who have they had, this year, that has been better? I’m good with an upgrade but it has to actually be an upgrade. So far that hasn’t happened.

[adambr2]

I'm just not seeing the confidence theory with JV. Arcia was an elite prospect heading into 2016. If Villar wasn't aware that he was a placeholder at SS, he should have been. He is far from the first player that was asked to change positions. If spurning Scooter Gennett from the roster to make room for Villar and offering Villar a $20M+ extension didn't give him confidence and show how much the Brewers had in him, I don't know what would. He was handed the 2B job with absolutely no one looking over his shoulder in 2017 and was given a long leash when he struggled. He lost playing time because we were in the exact position we are now -- contending but with several holes in the lineup.

 

I think it's far more likely that Villar is a marginal player who played well above his norms for a season -- one of many in baseball history.

 

With all that said -- I don't see a better option on the current roster, but there may be a better one in the organization if his glove is ready.

[pacopete4]

I'm just not seeing the confidence theory with JV. Arcia was an elite prospect heading into 2016. If Villar wasn't aware that he was a placeholder at SS, he should have been. He is far from the first player that was asked to change positions. If spurning Scooter Gennett from the roster to make room for Villar and offering Villar a $20M+ extension didn't give him confidence and show how much the Brewers had in him, I don't know what would. He was handed the 2B job with absolutely no one looking over his shoulder in 2017 and was given a long leash when he struggled. He lost playing time because we were in the exact position we are now -- contending but with several holes in the lineup.

 

I think it's far more likely that Villar is a marginal player who played well above his norms for a season -- one of many in baseball history.

 

With all that said -- I don't see a better option on the current roster, but there may be a better one in the organization if his glove is ready.

 

You definitely could be right and I do agree that Hiura might be the guy already.

[rickh150]

I'm just not seeing the confidence theory with JV. Arcia was an elite prospect heading into 2016. If Villar wasn't aware that he was a placeholder at SS, he should have been. He is far from the first player that was asked to change positions. If spurning Scooter Gennett from the roster to make room for Villar and offering Villar a $20M+ extension didn't give him confidence and show how much the Brewers had in him, I don't know what would. He was handed the 2B job with absolutely no one looking over his shoulder in 2017 and was given a long leash when he struggled. He lost playing time because we were in the exact position we are now -- contending but with several holes in the lineup.

 

I think it's far more likely that Villar is a marginal player who played well above his norms for a season -- one of many in baseball history.

 

With all that said -- I don't see a better option on the current roster, but there may be a better one in the organization if his glove is ready.

 

You definitely could be right and I do agree that Hiura might be the guy already.

 

Sogard could be better than Villar, right Brew4U, if given the chance? What are your view on Sogood, oh I mean, Sogard?

Really, Villar is the one getting at bats regularly. The others get sporadic scraps.

[pacopete4]

I'm just not seeing the confidence theory with JV. Arcia was an elite prospect heading into 2016. If Villar wasn't aware that he was a placeholder at SS, he should have been. He is far from the first player that was asked to change positions. If spurning Scooter Gennett from the roster to make room for Villar and offering Villar a $20M+ extension didn't give him confidence and show how much the Brewers had in him, I don't know what would. He was handed the 2B job with absolutely no one looking over his shoulder in 2017 and was given a long leash when he struggled. He lost playing time because we were in the exact position we are now -- contending but with several holes in the lineup.

 

I think it's far more likely that Villar is a marginal player who played well above his norms for a season -- one of many in baseball history.

 

With all that said -- I don't see a better option on the current roster, but there may be a better one in the organization if his glove is ready.

 

You definitely could be right and I do agree that Hiura might be the guy already.

 

Sogard could be better than Villar, right Brew4U, if given the chance? What are your view on Sogood, oh I mean, Sogard?

Really, Villar is the one getting at bats regularly. The others get sporadic scraps.

 

No. Sogard can’t. Sorry to break your heart on that one. He’s just not any good.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm just not seeing the confidence theory with JV. Arcia was an elite prospect heading into 2016. If Villar wasn't aware that he was a placeholder at SS, he should have been. He is far from the first player that was asked to change positions. If spurning Scooter Gennett from the roster to make room for Villar and offering Villar a $20M+ extension didn't give him confidence and show how much the Brewers had in him, I don't know what would. He was handed the 2B job with absolutely no one looking over his shoulder in 2017 and was given a long leash when he struggled. He lost playing time because we were in the exact position we are now -- contending but with several holes in the lineup.

 

I think it's far more likely that Villar is a marginal player who played well above his norms for a season -- one of many in baseball history.

 

With all that said -- I don't see a better option on the current roster, but there may be a better one in the organization if his glove is ready.

 

You definitely could be right and I do agree that Hiura might be the guy already.

 

Sogard could be better than Villar, right Brew4U, if given the chance? What are your view on Sogood, oh I mean, Sogard?

Really, Villar is the one getting at bats regularly. The others get sporadic scraps.

 

Other than a 3-week stretch of games last season, Sogard has proven throughout his whole career that he cannot be the guy. But you keep pulling for 'ole Scrappy Do!

[FVBrewerFan]

Brew, I agree completely there hasn't been a better option than Villar at 2B. That may or may not change when Salad comes back. Miller may play more 2B, we'll see.

 

In fact I said often times leading up to the season Villar should be given the keys to hold down 2B to start the year, see if he can get 2016 from back. This was back when all the talk was about Walker and every other FA. All this to say I'm the opposite of a Villar hater.

 

Where you lost me, and I think others, was your take about how hes been jerked around and deserves a chance somewhere else. Didn't mean for the back and forth to get all snarky. Sorry to you and our community for that.

[pacopete4]

Brew, I agree completely there hasn't been a better option than Villar at 2B. That may or may not change when Salad comes back. Miller may play more 2B, we'll see.

 

In fact I said often times leading up to the season Villar should be given the keys to hold down 2B to start the year, see if he can get 2016 from back. This was back when all the talk was about Walker and every other FA. All this to say I'm the opposite of a Villar hater.

 

Where you lost me, and I think others, was your take about how hes been jerked around and deserves a chance somewhere else. Didn't mean for the back and forth to get all snarky. Sorry to you and our community for that.

 

I more so want him to get a chance elsewhere because a clean slate might be be best thing for him. I think he’s too talented for what we are seeing from him. Maybe I said it wrongly but I’m well aware of his shortcomings over the last two seasons too. I’ve expected better but just not sure we are the fit for him. I too apologize for the back and forth. Just have felt attacked by you lately and I let it affect the discussion.

[rickh150]

Happy 4th, everyone... let's all be thankful for the freedoms we have, especially here when we want to voice concerns about backup infielders- yes, Miller is a backup still. Men from the WWII era would be shaking their heads at the way we spend some of our time.

[djoctagone]

tyler saladino, whom this thread is about, wants you to know that he's gone 1-3 with a walk with colorado springs in each of his first two rehab games with the club. he's pleased that he's reached base twice in each of the class aaa games.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

tyler saladino, whom this thread is about, wants you to know that he's gone 1-3 with a walk with colorado springs in each of his first two rehab games with the club. he's pleased that he's reached base twice in each of the class aaa games.

 

Something tells me there is a bespectacled diminutive middle infielder on the roster that is decidedly not happy to hear that news.