Why is Ryan Braun so hated?

[torts]

I don't hate him. I've spoken on his side to overlook this because as shown many times, he was put out there by the media that he had failed the test, when it hadn't gone through the powers that be. That leak ruined him. What happened after is the fault to the leak.

 

He's the only one to publicly be found innocent, because if innocent, those players aren't exposed that they were brought in to determine a ped failure.

Can't find someone guilty in the people's eyes if they aren't known on a charge in the first place.

 

SO FREAKING TRUE!

[Pugger]

I think Braun would still be disliked by every non-Brewer fan even if none of the steroid stuff happened.

 

And its not just because of how good he is at baseball,

 

He simply has a certain air about him.

 

Call it whatever you like but he just comes off as that type of guy that orders bottle service at a posh nightclub and sits in the VIP section, looking down at everyone else like he is more entitled,

 

In fact I strongly dislike Bryce Harper for the same reason.

 

Brewer fans know that if Braun was on the Cards or Cubs they would hate him more than their other players.

 

I never got that impression about Braun at all. He was one of my favorites before that steroid stuff. I don't get that impression about Harper either. If Braun was on the Cards or Cubs we'd hate him for being good.

[yfinn6]

Because people hold athletes to different standards than normal everyday people. I find it hilarious now that Arod is so beloved as an analyst after all the hatred that guy got while playing.

 

This is news to me. He's 'beloved' as an analyst?! OK.

[Pugger]

Absolutely shame plays an important role in society. So do humility, humbleness and forgiveness. Love him, hate him, want him gone or want him to retire a Brewer, it really doesn't matter. The minute he did what he did I lost interest in him as a person. I don't love him or hate him or particularly care what he does off the field. I don't feel it's my job to judge him in any way and he has to deal with the consequences of what he did. Hate is a very strong emotion and for anyone to hold on to hate for that amount of time is strange to me. I just hope he has a few more walk off dingers left in him.

 

I find it difficult to hate someone I don't really know outside of what I see on the field and in interviews. What he did had no effect on my life other than what he did to my favorite baseball team. Now, if he committed a real crime like what the ex-Packer Sharper did, now that's an entirely different matter.

[coolhandluke121]

ETA: One guy even brought my own morals into question. Honestly I think that was pathetic. If someone steals your car, would you expect the police to say "well, you're probably no saint yourself, so you shouldn't really hold it against him". You seriously can't make this stuff up.

So you can question the morals of someone but no one can question yours? Don't judge less you be judged by others. If you hate Braun, just say you hate Braun and be done with it.

 

No, you can't question my morals just because I dislike Braun for lying and cheating. That's utterly ridiculous. You can't even be serious. Are you? Please tell me that was supposed to be blue font. He's a proven liar and cheater. What a ridiculous false equivalence.

[pacopete4]

ETA: One guy even brought my own morals into question. Honestly I think that was pathetic. If someone steals your car, would you expect the police to say "well, you're probably no saint yourself, so you shouldn't really hold it against him". You seriously can't make this stuff up.

So you can question the morals of someone but no one can question yours? Don't judge less you be judged by others. If you hate Braun, just say you hate Braun and be done with it.

 

No, you can't question my morals just because I dislike Braun for lying and cheating. That's utterly ridiculous. You can't even be serious. Are you? Please tell me that was supposed to be blue font. He's a proven liar and cheater. What a ridiculous false equivalence.

 

I'm glad some people still have a moral compass that's not made of Jell-o.

 

But you can judge others? Got it.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Because people hold athletes to different standards than normal everyday people. I find it hilarious now that Arod is so beloved as an analyst after all the hatred that guy got while playing.

 

This is news to me. He's 'beloved' as an analyst?! OK.

 

Yes, he's extremely popular, has taken on sort of the lovable silly uncle role in the booth.

[pacopete4]

Because people hold athletes to different standards than normal everyday people. I find it hilarious now that Arod is so beloved as an analyst after all the hatred that guy got while playing.

 

This is news to me. He's 'beloved' as an analyst?! OK.

 

Yes, he's extremely popular, has taken on sort of the lovable silly uncle role in the booth.

Shark Tank/Arod Corp, Fox Sports analyst, Barstool Sports.. dating JLo.

 

Dudes reinvented himself Id say.

[bill hAll Star]

On top of the fact that he's gotten into some ventures that are good for PR, he's also extremely natural in the booth or on set. He's really good.

[MrTPlush]

Braun got into this situation for two reasons. Half because of it coming out, which should have never happened. Secondly, because Braun did this to himself. I bet a lot of other players would go down a similar road if they had their test leaked. The sample collector didn’t do his job correctly and should lose his job. However for Braun to go after the guy, say terrible things, and claim the man tampered with it is downright pathetic. Typical rich guy with a big ego destroying the little man to stay on top. He saw a way to get out of his failed test that he knew he rightfully failed. It’s a grown man that can’t take responsibility and instead would rather try and hurt others for his greater good.

 

Once again he isn’t alone in this. Other athletes would do the same in his situation. Melky Cabrera tried to make a fake website to get out of his. However Ryan Braun was at the top of the league and decided to be a terrible person. He was already under a microscope and unfortunately deserves everything he gets.

 

It sucks. He would have went down as the greatest Milwaukee Brewer ever. A beloved guy who lives on for decades. Now he probably ruined that. Some of the best memories in 2011 towards the end of the season were likely aided by Ryan Braun cheating. That’s more irritating than anything.

 

Personally I don’t really care about it all these years later. If other people want to hate on him fine, he deserves that. I’m not going to put him on a pedestal and love him for non baseball production though.

 

When it comes to Braun I’m more frustrated with his crippled body than any else.

[coolhandluke121]

So you can question the morals of someone but no one can question yours? Don't judge less you be judged by others. If you hate Braun, just say you hate Braun and be done with it.

 

No, you can't question my morals just because I dislike Braun for lying and cheating. That's utterly ridiculous. You can't even be serious. Are you? Please tell me that was supposed to be blue font. He's a proven liar and cheater. What a ridiculous false equivalence.

 

I'm glad some people still have a moral compass that's not made of Jell-o.

 

But you can judge others? Got it.

 

You and a few others don't seem to know the whole context of this argument. I did not say that in reference to people who like Braun despite his mistakes. That's their prerogative, just like it's my prerogative to dislike him. I said it in reference to people who are openly questioning, and even attacking (see seabass's first post, which is the worst post by far I've ever seen here, an amazing feat) anyone's reasons for disliking him. Those people act like having any moral standard for whom you like and don't like is immoral in and of itself, and that is what shows a complete and utter lack of a moral compass. It's as if the moral standard should not even exist. Nobody needs any more justification for disliking him than the obvious, and it's total homer hypocrisy to suggest otherwise. You know you'd hate root against him if you weren't a Brewer fan, and I want no part of that hypocrisy.

[brewmann04]

I have no trouble with the guy being cocky especially when he backs it up. I just ticked off for a while because he lied to all of us.

[coolhandluke121]

I don't think there is any way he would have been the best brewer ever. Yount was better.

[Pugger]

I don't think there is any way he would have been the best brewer ever. Yount was better.

 

True, but he would have been regarded as one the best ever. Too bad he ruined his reputation by trying to preserve it. The irony in all of this is stunning if you think about it.

[pacopete4]

You know you'd hate root against him if you weren't a Brewer fan, and I want no part of that hypocrisy.

I don’t find myself rooting against anyone individually. Teams, sure. But that has more to do with the Brewers. There are plenty of guys, even on rival teams I enjoy watching. Even guys that make mistakes, like a Tiger Woods, it is what it is. Still pulling for him on Sundays when he’s making the charge. It’s entertainment. Nothing more really.

[MrTPlush]

I don't think there is any way he would have been the best brewer ever. Yount was better.

 

True injuries probably killed that possibility. Which could be in direct relation to his PED use.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

there was a sports illustrated poll a few years ago that said 30% of major leaguers admitted anonymously they were juicing. robin yount said a few years ago he wd have found it it incredibly hard NOT to do it if he knew that a huge number of other big leaguers were using steroids. yes ryan braun lied about it. but if i held that against all athletes, i would have to give up watching. i dont blame him one bit for taking the stuff to stay healthy, if i was a pro athlete i would too... its often the difference between being paid well and being being paid vastly well. that wasnt brauns excuse. he already got paid but it usually is

[brewerswinNLcentral]

theres your rebutal luke. yount would have done them too. and he is the best player we ever had

[coolhandluke121]

theres your rebutal luke. yount would have done them too. and he is the best player we ever had

 

He said he would have found it hard not to. That's not the same as saying he's do it. And if he did, I wouldn't like him. I hate that do anything you can to get ahead and bend rules as much as possible mentality. I hate people like that in my personal life and in sports. I still believe the essence of sport requires some honor.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

theres your rebutal luke. yount would have done them too. and he is the best player we ever had

 

He said he would have found it hard not to. That's not the same as saying he's do it. And if he did, I wouldn't like him. I hate that do anything you can to get ahead and bend rules as much as possible mentality. I hate people like that in my personal life and in sports. I still believe the essence of sport requires some honor.

 

While I personally disagree with your stance on Braun (I guess I'm more indifferent to him), I have enjoyed reading this back-and-forth, and I believe you have laid our your stance on your feelings toward him well, without getting overly defensive and/or telling people that they should or need to agree with you. You've had a solid argument to most retorts, even those that have been unfairly put together to even mean-spirited. I agree, too, that you can be a fan of the team while strongly disliking (or even loathing) a member of that team. If he does well and helps the team win, you are happy for the team, but not the player. I get that.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

theres your rebutal luke. yount would have done them too. and he is the best player we ever had

 

He said he would have found it hard not to. That's not the same as saying he's do it. And if he did, I wouldn't like him. I hate that do anything you can to get ahead and bend rules as much as possible mentality. I hate people like that in my personal life and in sports. I still believe the essence of sport requires some honor.

 

While I personally disagree with your stance on Braun (I guess I'm more indifferent to him), I have enjoyed reading this back-and-forth, and I believe you have laid our your stance on your feelings toward him well, without getting overly defensive and/or telling people that they should or need to agree with you )besides maybe the anti-semetic stuff). You've had a solid argument to most retorts, even those that have been unfairly put together to even mean-spirited. I agree, too, that you can be a fan of the team while strongly disliking (or even loathing) a member of that team. If he does well and helps the team win, you are happy for the team, but not the player. I get that.

[FVBrewerFan]

Why does Luke need to like Braun? He has his reasons, and couldn't be more clear. I didn't like Braun even before the whole PED thing, that just sealed it for me. Big deal. He has always come across as Roger Dorn to me.

 

And I do think Luke made a great point. If Braun played for the Cubs, you would all still like him? I don't think so. Just because someone is on a team I root for doesn't mean I have to "like" them. Back in the day I knew a few of the 80s Brewers fairly well. I learned then not to bother with liking/ not liking someone because you will only be let down. That experience really jaded me, I'll admit, but I doubt much has changed. I stick to what they do on the field, because we have no idea who these players really are as people.

[MrTPlush]

If people can hate Rickie Weeks for life because he didn't want to commit 50 errors in the outfield I think anyone has the right to hate Braun for an endless list of terrible things he did.

[bigredrobbo]

Can I still hate Gary Sheffield more? Asking for a friend.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

you guys are right...luke has every right to his feelings towards braun.its a personal choice for all of us. i just choose not to worry about morals and all that bc there is that kind of stuff in all of us, it seems that so many athletes lie about stuff and with cell phones and the internet EVERYONE knows about it 5 minutes later. again i choose to just root for the packers badgers and brewers and let everyone play.... i mean really guys..it literally never ends....we all know what goes on with college recruiting..they get kickbacks, free cars... the qb from florida state rapes a chick or whatever it was and they try to cover it up and 2 years later he is playing in the nfl...steroids have been a huge part of football and baseball for 25 years..they just keep coming up with new ways to mask it...TWO people got caught this year. does anyone believe that only 2 major league players are taking steroids