Jimmy Nelson [Latest (10/6): Nelson: No longer a “rehabber” -- post #161]

[MrTPlush]

Most thought he wasn’t going to pitch cause they WebMD’d his injury... then started acting like doctors even though put on the spot they probably couldn’t name another part of the shoulder outside of the muscle Nelson hurt (probably not even that one too). These people also have first hand information and must be on the Brewers medical staff.

 

However if you don’t pretend to be a medical expert on an internet forum “you don’t know baseball or the injury”.

 

 

This injury from the get go had a reasonable return date anywhere from late-May to the AS Break. So expecting him to pitch this year was not a crazy expectation and still certainly isn’t a crazy expectation. Now to pitch like a TOR starter? Yah, sure...coming off an injury that isn’t surprising.

 

He still has plenty of time to get back this season. He is probably throwing a long distance from flat ground right now, but hasn’t gotten over the hump to pitch off the mound. Once that happens it only takes a month for him to be MLB ready. If we only want him as a reliever that could even be knocked down a little bit too I am guessing. He has an entire month to get onto a mound and still be ready for all of September.

 

He has plenty of time so expecting him to still pitch this year seems legitimate to me.

[rickh150]

We need 5th-7th inning guys.... that could be his role in 2018.

[homer]

He comes back when he comes back. Understandable people get frustrated about it.

[BuckyBrewer61]

We need 5th-7th inning guys.... that could be his role in 2018.

 

Oooh this is interesting.

 

I have zero expectation of Jimmy Nelson coming back as an impactful starter this year - coming off a shoulder injury, late season start to his year, certain limited pitch counts once he actually returns.

 

But if you bring him back as Josh Hader 2.0, now you’ve got that kind of weapon twice as often in your bullpen. Would be much more impactful IMO than trying to get him a handful of starts come September with 80-pitch limits.

[OnTheBlack]

Behind schedule

 

 

I heard Nelson talking and they asked him that question....and he gave a bit of a convoluted answer. He said he was behind schedule given where he was during spring training, but because he was so far AHEAD of schedule there, that it was hard to say.

 

This is also not a normal shoulder injury for a pitcher.

 

But I absolutely agree with those who have said the Brewers are absolutely not bringing Nelson back this year unless he is 100 pct. I also want to reach through my screen and slap the guys who go on twitter and say, "who cares, he's a career 33-44 pitcher," or whatever it is exactly. Even casual fans now know how antiquated that is.

[OnTheBlack]

We need 5th-7th inning guys.... that could be his role in 2018.

 

Oooh this is interesting.

 

I have zero expectation of Jimmy Nelson coming back as an impactful starter this year - coming off a shoulder injury, late season start to his year, certain limited pitch counts once he actually returns.

 

But if you bring him back as Josh Hader 2.0, now you’ve got that kind of weapon twice as often in your bullpen. Would be much more impactful IMO than trying to get him a handful of starts come September with 80-pitch limits.

 

 

This seems like the worst possible way to use him this year. Have him out there, make him go through a routine he's never gone through before as he tries to regain the strength in his shoulder, and then have him be a reliever who throws more often and may get up and warm up a few times as well and end up not being used. I'd rather they just end his season than play games like that with him.

[MrTPlush]

Any proof that would be a bad routine or effect him in the long run...at all? He really won’t be test strength wise until next year.

[82brewcrew82]

Sounding less and less likely we can count on anything from Nelson this season given today's comments.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Sounding less and less likely we can count on anything from Nelson this season given today's comments.

 

I took those comments as greasing the wheels for a major trade acquisition for the rotation. It isn't going to be a Hamels or Happ, either. It's going to be bigger than that, and cost a lot.

[82brewcrew82]

Sounding less and less likely we can count on anything from Nelson this season given today's comments.

 

I took those comments as greasing the wheels for a major trade acquisition for the rotation. It isn't going to be a Hamels or Happ, either. It's going to be bigger than that, and cost a lot.

Boy, some of ya'll can sure make some leaps. I hope you're right.

[markedman5]

Sounding less and less likely we can count on anything from Nelson this season given today's comments.

 

I took those comments as greasing the wheels for a major trade acquisition for the rotation. It isn't going to be a Hamels or Happ, either. It's going to be bigger than that, and cost a lot.

 

Yeah I didn't read it that way at all.......time will tell.

[Eye Black]

Stearns comments via Tom Haudricourt...

 

#Brewers GM David Stearns said he still believes RHP Jimmy Nelson will pitch this season but probably not before September. Still hasn't thrown off mound and needs many of those sessions as well as minor-league rehab to return to MLB action.

[Ennder]

Not pitching until September is like saying out for the year. You cannot count on him for anything at that point.

[BuckyBrewer61]

IF Jimmy comes back this year...big if...

 

I hope they use him out of the bullpen. We’ve won so many games on the strength of our bullpen, but bemoan the days when Hader/Jeffress/Knebel aren’t available. Since Jimmy likely won’t be going long innings anyway, I think he could make the bullpen even deadlier, on more days and/or for more innings. And come playoff time, if you aren’t beating the Brewers by the 5th...you’re in trouble.

[rickh150]

IF Jimmy comes back this year...big if...

 

I hope they use him out of the bullpen. We’ve won so many games on the strength of our bullpen, but bemoan the days when Hader/Jeffress/Knebel aren’t available. Since Jimmy likely won’t be going long innings anyway, I think he could make the bullpen even deadlier, on more days and/or for more innings. And come playoff time, if you aren’t beating the Brewers by the 5th...you’re in trouble.

 

Pitching in the 5th thru 7th innings makes sense. I'd like to see him solid in 2019.

[AdvantageSchneider]

Not pitching until September is like saying out for the year. You cannot count on him for anything at that point.

 

Not if you are playing into October.

[NYChez]

In 2008, Yovanni Gallardo didn’t pitch between May 1 and September 24, and he pitched game 1 of the NLDS.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They're going about this the right way. If he's ready to pitch on October 1 and not September 25, we won't see him this year. They're going by his rehab and not the state of the team. Good.

[Roderick]

They're going about this the right way. If he's ready to pitch on October 1 and not September 25, we won't see him this year. They're going by his rehab and not the state of the team. Good.

 

Well the state of the team is that we don't need him.

 

By that I mean we don't need a Nelson that we won't really know how good he is going to pitch being put in the rotation only because he was a stud last year. Same goes for Davies and Miley. Anderson, Chacin, Guerra, Suter, and Peralta have been pitching very well.

 

If I knew Davies and Nelson would come back to be the pitcher they were last July, sure move Suter/Peralta - but I doubt we get that pitcher.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Even if they did "need" him and some would say that they do, he wouldn't be pitching if not ready. That isn't always the case. Plenty of teams would rush a guy back at 90% if they were in a pennant race.

[adambr2]

 

Craig Counsell just said on @MLBNetworkRadio that Jimmy Nelson has begun "some light sessions" pitching from the mound, but was clear that they no longer have a timetable for his return at the moment.

[Underachiever]

Too lazy to go back and look, but was this injury all from that one bad slide, or was it related to pitching?

[reillymcshane]

Too lazy to go back and look, but was this injury all from that one bad slide, or was it related to pitching?

Just from the slide.

[Jenkins5]

Too lazy to go back and look, but was this injury all from that one bad slide, or was it related to pitching?

Just from the slide.

 

Yeah worse way to lose your best pitcher with a serious shoulder injury that historically has been tougher to come back from. Can’t believe MLB still refuses to eliminate putting NL pitchers in danger. Tradition or not pitchers have no reason to be hitting & running the bases. Just need Scherzer & DeGrom to lose season being hurt while at the plate or on bases & then maybe baseball will finally act on bringing DH to NL

[Underachiever]

Too lazy to go back and look, but was this injury all from that one bad slide, or was it related to pitching?

Just from the slide.

 

Yeah worse way to lose your best pitcher with a serious shoulder injury that historically has been tougher to come back from. Can’t believe MLB still refuses to eliminate putting NL pitchers in danger. Tradition or not pitchers have no reason to be hitting & running the bases. Just need Scherzer & DeGrom to lose season being hurt while at the plate or on bases & then maybe baseball will finally act on bringing DH to NL

Yikes. Thanks for the responses. This injury makes me long for a good old oblique strain.