Jimmy Nelson [Latest (10/6): Nelson: No longer a “rehabber” -- post #161]

[coolhandluke121]

Let's also not forget Jimmy wasn't anything special until last year. 2017 could have been his career year, injury or not. Wily Peralta looked to have figured it out at one point too.

 

That's true but his talent makes it sustainable. He just had to improve his strategy and "learn how to pitch". He wasn't getting ahead in the count until last year, but improved command over the course of an entire season is not usually a fluke. Some pitchers don't find it until their late 20's. I'm buying his success last year. The real issue is his shoulder, but at least it wasn't a throwing injury.

 

A lot of credit goes to Derek Johnson, but I often wonder how much Pina's game-calling has improved the staff's performance.

[rickh150]

Above is an update on Jimmy Nelson and where he stands. It unfortunately doesn’t mention how far he is throwing which would be pretty beneficial in guessing his return.

It looks like they took a snippet from Adam McCalvy’s Sunday ARTICLE.

 

Here is the full transcript from McCalvy’s update on Jimmy Nelson...

 

Nelson 'trending in right direction'

Sunday marked one month since rehabbing right-hander Jimmy Nelson's check-up with the doctor who performed his shoulder surgery, and he told Milwaukee radio station 105.7 FM The Fan that "it's trending in the right direction right now."

 

There is no timetable for Nelson to throw off a mound or to return to the Brewers' rotation, because those benchmarks all depend on his repaired right shoulder. He is currently working back toward throwing 150 feet on flat ground, the distance he was at before a shutdown period before and after a visit with Dr. Neal ElAtrrache.

 

"The last week or two is the best it's gone so far," Nelson said. "Right now, there's a lot of good signs. It's been responding better than it has this whole process. I'm not behind schedule or anything. I'm still on schedule or maybe even ahead of schedule. It's just the fact I got so far ahead of schedule, whenever you get shut down for 10-12 days, everybody starts freaking out."

 

Nelson said he is down 25 pounds from the start of Spring Training.

 

 

Huh? Down 25 pounds? In 3 and a half months? What's going on?

[FVBrewerFan]

There is no timetable for Nelson to throw off a mound or to return to the Brewers' rotation, because those benchmarks all depend on his repaired right shoulder.

 

" I'm not behind schedule or anything. I'm still on schedule or maybe even ahead of schedule."

 

Anyone else notice this? So.... is there a timetable for return or not?

[homer]

 

Huh? Down 25 pounds? In 3 and a half months? What's going on?

 

Diet and exercise?

[KeithStone53151]

Huh? Down 25 pounds? In 3 and a half months? What's going on?

 

Diet and exercise?

 

Absolutely. If there's one thing we know about Jimmy, is his work ethic is phenomenal. I'm sure he's focused on his shoulder and getting ready to pitch, but he's not playing in games and there's only so much he can do with that shoulder. When he's not doing rehab or throwing, I'm sure he's doing cardio and such to get himself into peak condition.

 

I wish Nelson could instill his work ethic into every player on the team.

[MrTPlush]

I’ve found this whole Nelson situation hard to follow. There were reports in spring training that the Brewers were hoping to add him to the rotation in June and even Nelson was hoping to be on the mound in April sometime when he came into spring training. Then the supposed shutdown was planned.

 

So I guess there were a ton of false reports and Nelson was clueless on his own rehab thinking he was going to pitch off a mound after getting to 150 feet...instead he went into a planned shutdown for nearly a month and had to start the throwing program.

 

Weird stuff. Doesn’t seem like there would be any major reason to hide any setbacks.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I don't think the organization is giving a lick of consideration to this season with regard to him coming back, thus the conflicting reports on when he'd return. They want the shoulder at 100%, not an Aaron Rodgers with screws in situation.

 

If he happens to be 100% on August 18th that's what happens. If not he won't play, and I don't think they care. They are proceeding as if he isn't an option this year.

[DHonks]

I’ve found this whole Nelson situation hard to follow. There were reports in spring training that the Brewers were hoping to add him to the rotation in June and even Nelson was hoping to be on the mound in April sometime when he came into spring training. Then the supposed shutdown was planned.

 

So I guess there were a ton of false reports and Nelson was clueless on his own rehab thinking he was going to pitch off a mound after getting to 150 feet...instead he went into a planned shutdown for nearly a month and had to start the throwing program.

 

Weird stuff. Doesn’t seem like there would be any major reason to hide any setbacks.

 

If he makes it to the mound this year, that’s a huge success. If he’s anything close to last season, that’s impressive. Very few pitchers seem to come back from shoulder surgery near 100%. Even those that come back effectively often don’t pitch long. I’m thinking of studs like Ramon Martinez, Pedro Martinez, Alex Fernandez, Teddy Huguera, Mark Mulder, etc.

[nate82]

I don't think the organization is giving a lick of consideration to this season with regard to him coming back, thus the conflicting reports on when he'd return. They want the shoulder at 100%, not an Aaron Rodgers with screws in situation.

 

If he happens to be 100% on August 18th that's what happens. If not he won't play, and I don't think they care. They are proceeding as if he isn't an option this year.

 

I agree with the amount of information coming from the Brewers about this it is probably likely Nelson won't be pitching for the Brewers this year if he isn't 100% ready.

 

It is concerning that he hasn't been throwing off of the mound yet. If Nelson were to be coming back after the all star break then he needs to be throwing off the mound soon and getting that simulated game in. If the Brewers want at least one rehab start that will also have to happen soon.

[markedman5]

Behind schedule

 

[nate82]

Behind schedule

 

 

 

Definitely need to see him throwing off the mound before any time table can be set for his return but I am going to go with late August or early September for Nelson's return.

[YelichPosse]

Behind schedule

 

 

 

Definitely need to see him throwing off the mound before any time table can be set for his return but I am going to go with late August or early September for Nelson's return.

 

 

Which with that time table would probably push DS to go for a top rotation guy... which next year and maybe the year after will only improve the depth of the rotation overall. Good things all good things.

[rickh150]

All this time counts for MLB service time, right?

[YelichPosse]

All this time counts for MLB service time, right?

 

I believe yes it does any time on the 25 man or the ML DL

[BrewCrewForever]

Disappoint to say the least. I won't give up all hope though, still think he could give them a little this season, but at this point maybe it is better to just start fresh and be a full go at the start of Spring Training 2019.

[jerichoholicninja]

Behind schedule

 

 

 

Definitely need to see him throwing off the mound before any time table can be set for his return but I am going to go with late August or early September for Nelson's return.

 

 

Which with that time table would probably push DS to go for a top rotation guy... which next year and maybe the year after will only improve the depth of the rotation overall. Good things all good things.

 

If he hasn't been looking for a "TOR" guy yet I don't know why he would start now. The offense continues to be a much bigger deterrent to winning than the rotation.

[Boomer5]

Pretty much everyone saw this coming. I doubt anyone in the FO had any plans he’d pitch this year.

[pacopete4]

Huh? Didn’t Stearns just say he still see him pitching this season?

[MrTPlush]

David Stearns is looking for a TOR guy, may not come to fruition though. He will do his homework on possible deals.

 

They definitely expected him to pitch this year. They probably wisely assumed he wouldn’t make a big impact, but I doubt they believed he just wouldn’t pitch.

 

Throw him in the bullpen after he rehabs if he doesn’t look super 2017-like. Once September hits we are going to have an insanely deep pitching staff. Nelson and Burnes should both be here in some capacity.

[JohnBriggs12]

Behind schedule

 

 

 

Definitely need to see him throwing off the mound before any time table can be set for his return but I am going to go with late August or early September for Nelson's return.

 

 

Which with that time table would probably push DS to go for a top rotation guy... which next year and maybe the year after will only improve the depth of the rotation overall. Good things all good things.

 

The rotation isn't the problem. The bullpen needs reinforcements and the offense needs a quality major league bat so the lineup extends beyond 5 guys.

[trwi7]

The rotation isn't the problem. The bullpen needs reinforcements and the offense needs a quality major league bat so the lineup extends beyond 5 guys.

 

The bullpen needs reinforcements (and to just stop calling up scrubs like Zagurski who have no business being on the 40 man roster, much less 25 man roster) because the starters don't go deep into games which means the bullpen is required to throw at minimum 3 innings per game.

[Boomer5]

Huh? Didn’t Stearns just say he still see him pitching this season?

 

If he did, he is just posturing when he is negotiating a trade.

 

We have seen this movie many times before. If he is behind schedule on June 30, he isn’t pitching in 2018 in any TOR capacity and likely not at all. We all saw his injury and the history behind it.

 

No one that knows baseball and pitching was expecting him to be 2017 Nelson in 2018 at any point.

[CheezWizHed]

No one that knows baseball and pitching was expecting him to be 2017 Nelson in 2018 at any point.

 

I think you meant, "No one that knows the space time continuum was expecting him to be 2017 Nelson in 2018 at any point."

 

But I think most people (baseball or not) expected him back at the mid-point of the season at least.

[pacopete4]

Speaking in absolutes. This should get good!

[brewmann04]

i think most thought it was a long shot that he was going to pitch this season. I hope he fully healthy for next season.