Brewers made 1 year offer to Cobb

[Ulice Payne]

According to Brew Crew Review and Jon Heyman, The Brewers made a 1 year, 12 Million Dollar offer to Alex Cobb.

 

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/3/22/17153606/milwaukee-brewers-made-only-one-year-offer-to-alex-cobb-baltimore-orioles-collin-mchugh-rumors

 

Looks like the Brewers didn't value Cobb as highly as we might have thought.

 

And I apologize in advance for what this thread may very well become...

[coolhandluke121]

Obviously he didn't want to be a Brewer.

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

If true, that seems insultingly low. I would’ve been fine going to $25 million or so for 1 year.

[adambr2]

If true, that seems insultingly low. I would’ve been fine going to $25 million or so for 1 year.

 

Well, I can understand why the guy who has to cut the checks wouldn't be fine with that. 25M for one year of Alex Cobb? More than double what Lynn got?

[homer]

That's different than 3/42

[Ulice Payne]

I think it tells us that the Brewers didn't really see Cobb as a game-changer. I'm glad they didn't sign him just because he was the last guy available.

 

The Jon Heyman article that Brew Crew Ball links to implies that Arrietta was they guy Milwaukee really wanted. An immature GM might have gone all in on Cobb once Arrietta became unavailable. I'm glad Stearns didn't feel like he had to settle. That's the kind of reasoning that caused the Brewers to overpay for guys like Matt Garza, et al. I'm glad the Brewers didn't end up paying the contracts that Arrietta & Cobb eventually got.

 

(And as an aside, nice job by both Arrietta & Cobb patiently waiting out the market. Both did very well by waiting. Bet Lynn wishes he had been as patient.)

 

Information like this causes me to believe that there is a plan, and that the front office continues to work that plan regardless of what players are available at the present moment.

[torts]

just keeps getting better lol

[brewmann04]

I think DS and Matt Arnold talked about Cobb and glad they didn't overpay like some said.He seemed to keepto his guns and think he still be intrested in Making trades.

[superfly]

I'd rather have not known this detail.

[TJseven7]

Arrieta was the "mark" you say... well who could have pieced that together...

 

"Ok so...

They signed a 32 year old OF to a 80/5 deal that is backloaded and defered to keep buying power open. As you said, inducates they clearly were looking for more otherwise you'd reverse that deal. You'd front load it and push for better value down the road.

 

Then Yu goes to the cubs. We offered low, and were reported not to be all that invested. Fair enough. No reason to backload cain.

 

Lynn goes for a prove it deal. You wouldn't assume Cains backloaded to make a 10-12 mil add. That still keeps us under 110 so if we really wanted Lynn well we could have offered him enough to lock him in. No reason to backload cain.

 

Then Arrieta signs a disaster of a contract. Maybe this was our all in guy. That would make some sense but that would take the highly unlikely event of Boras caving and Arrieta basically falling in our lap for it to happen. Not a good or likely plan.

 

Cobb then comes in for a reasonable deal. You've already backloaded cain. You dont do that for giggles. You do that for buying power. The whole team gets more expensive as the years move forward. You dont save now to pay then unless you are making a push now. Yet, no cobb.

 

Salazar Archer Lynn don't cost enough to change cain. Arrieta was a hail mary... cobb was there to be had. That's puzzling.

 

Its not that they added cain that confuses me. Its how they structured cain only to accomplish nothing else that confuses me. Long window, no more buying, you front load it. Short window, buying power now, you add the finishing piece.

 

They signaled push with the way that deal is structured... then flinched. That's puzzling. If Arrieta was the shot it was wildly optimistic. If cobb was the shot they scrooged it when bidding 7mil more probably gets it done. If I'm backloading cain... im not putzing around on that finishing piece. I'm locking that down. 16/4 cobb, cut yo, 109 mil... lets roll."

 

So the .... not good and unlikely wildly optimistic ... plan was our idea huh? That's brilliant. We'll just get boras to cave... structure the whole offseason around it. Brilliant stuff. Our "marks A" 70% FB pitcher loosing velocity in a new system where everyone's velocity spiked. GOOD! Faith inspiring even.

 

I should have just followed the tea leaves 1 more step... made perfect sense that we did this to run at Arrieta. Wouldn't have needed the reporter to tell us had I not been soo pissed.

 

Low ball garbage offer to Cobb. Targeting a disaster candidate SP while lowballing Cobb. Warm fuzzy stuff.

 

"Obviously he didn't want to be a Brewer."

 

You know what Luke good point... At least I dont have to read those hot takes anymore. Like not wanting to be a brewer...AL East love... or not wanting to bat. What was it about... EVERYONE ALL AT ONCE...1 2 3.... Money. Who would have thought! Yeah I'm not even going to pull that quote. You know it was obvious and you know I said as such.

 

Anyone seeing that other angle yet?

 

You know... our owner talking to boras. Our target is his "PRESTIGE" client. Faith inspiring all around.

 

Thank God for Philly. Please... please stay in house with pitching. This was a looming disaster all around. Just botched. Front loaded Cain so Mark could get his prestige add.

 

Ps if you were wondering marks budget... id think 25 for arrieta and 120 mil is a pretty good guess. What Boras client pitchers are FAs next year? Our owner wants one.

[homer]

Arrieta was the mark you say... well who could have pieced that together...

 

Here is the exact bit from Heyman's article:

 

"The Brewers made a try for Jake Arrieta"

[ilikewisco]

[TJseven7]

Arrieta was the mark you say... well who could have pieced that together...

 

Here is the exact bit from Heyman's article:

 

"The Brewers made a try for Jake Arrieta"

 

We didn't try for lynn... didnt try for cobb... didnt try for yu... we took a shot at arrieta and philly fell on their sword. The only one we tried for was Arrieta... how many people like the look of that?

[ilikewisco]

I'm good with that. I wanted Darvish but life goes on.

[homer]

"Made a try for Arrieta" sounds like they made an offer hoping he'd come cheap. Since we don't have contract details maybe they made him a 1 year offer too. Very likely the Brewers were most involved in trade discussions for a pitcher not named Darvish, Arrieta, or Cobb. A name that hasn't been leaked.

[82brewcrew82]

"Made a try for Arrieta" sounds like they made an offer hoping he'd come cheap. Since we don't have contract details maybe they made him a 1 year offer too. Very likely the Brewers were most involved in trade discussions for a pitcher not named Darvish, Arrieta, or Cobb. A name that hasn't been leaked.

I lean this way. If DS didn't think the FA's were the right move then so be it.

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

"Made a try for Arrieta" sounds like they made an offer hoping he'd come cheap. Since we don't have contract details maybe they made him a 1 year offer too. Very likely the Brewers were most involved in trade discussions for a pitcher not named Darvish, Arrieta, or Cobb. A name that hasn't been leaked.

It could be named we heard. It was announced very shortly after the Cain/Yelich deals Salazar got hurt so maybe that fell though. JD Martinez lingered out there and the D’backs were in on him until the end so maybe that held up a deal for Corbin that Santana was involved in then Dyson came dirt cheap and Souza became available. The Rays are notorious for being incredibly difficult to deal with so after the Cain/Yelich deals maybe they upped their ask on Archer and/or decided to hold on to him when they lost 2 of their SP to injury for the year. There were Cotton rumblings too and then he got hurt and who knows how long the teams had an idea of that before the public did. Maybe we were even in on Cole but the Astros offer topped ours/Pirates put an in division premium on the ask.

[superfly]

TJSeven you absolutely nailed it. Can't believe I didn't draw the lines together either....it's just more of the same ole same ole with the wrinkle thrown in that DS gets to play with his computers on the "small roster changes," with Mark not learning a thing about signing large deals via Scott Boras.

 

Note :: NOT a knock on David Stearns, and obviously MA gets the final say, but when push comes to shove we're going to just go right on back to Borass and give his guys big deals for the "final pieces."

[TJseven7]

"Made a try for Arrieta" sounds like they made an offer hoping he'd come cheap. Since we don't have contract details maybe they made him a 1 year offer too. Very likely the Brewers were most involved in trade discussions for a pitcher not named Darvish, Arrieta, or Cobb. A name that hasn't been leaked.

 

I get why you'd think that but also remember how Yu was reported after he went to the cubs. We didn't really have a lot of interest in Yu was the report... we made an offer to him hoping he'd come cheap. I believe word choice matters a lot when it comes from a seasoned reporters.

 

Yu, not really interested, but arrieta made a try. Are you going to say they went hard after arrieta?... no because it points at the club as failing at their goal.

 

Due to that... I'd bet part of the philly crazy offer was because they had to legitimately beat our offer. We seem to be incredibly years frugal so it wouldn't stun me if it was 75/3 because that's Arrietas pre opt in amount. But the 30-25 opt out seems very unlikely to come from mke. The front load 2 year opt out is the part that twists that deal into insanity.

[Boomer5]

They shouldn’t have signed Cain if our best offer was $12M for a legitimate SP.

 

Silly FO.

[MrTPlush]

Seriously Brewers...this one should be interesting in retrospect. We had the money for pitching and we were being massively cheap going after Cobb. It will be interesting to see how he pitches and how our back end pitches that could have been replaced.

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

"Made a try for Arrieta" sounds like they made an offer hoping he'd come cheap. Since we don't have contract details maybe they made him a 1 year offer too. Very likely the Brewers were most involved in trade discussions for a pitcher not named Darvish, Arrieta, or Cobb. A name that hasn't been leaked.

 

I get why you'd think that but also remember how Yu was reported after he went to the cubs. We didn't really have a lot of interest in Yu was the report... we made an offer to him hoping he'd come cheap. I believe word choice matters a lot when it comes from a seasoned reporters.

 

Yu, not really interested, but arrieta made a try. Are you going to say they went hard after arrieta?... no because it points at the club as failing at their goal.

 

Due to that... I'd bet part of the philly crazy offer was because they had to legitimately beat our offer. We seem to be incredibly years frugal so it wouldn't stun me if it was 75/3 because that's Arrietas pre opt in amount. But the 30-25 opt out seems very unlikely to come from mke. The front load 2 year opt out is the part that twists that deal into insanity.

I don’t think Arrieta’s deal is all that crazy and would’ve been fine if we did something similar. Maybe don’t give him the opt out and make it a 3 year deal straight at $80-85 (pay him a little more to take away the upside an opt out gives him) with the 2 year team option on the backside and a $5-10 mil buyout. I would’ve preferred Cobb now knowing what he went for but would’ve been fine with Arrieta on a variation of his Philly deal

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

They shouldn’t have signed Cain if our best offer was $12M for a legitimate SP.

 

Silly FO.

1 billion percent this. I wish we could like posts

[trwi7]

Would've been incredibly dumb to give up a pick for a one year deal, so I'm really happy Cobb didn't accept it.

[pacopete4]

I think the 1-year deal tells a story. The Brewers didn’t want to be locked into these guys for multiple years based on what we have currently and coming up as well as it probably shows they didn’t think all that highly of Cobb as a rotation changer. Good for them for sticking with their guns. Hopefully it will all work out for them.