Alex Cobb (Part 4)

[MrTPlush]

Cobb must really be sticking to his demands.

 

Nats sign Hellickson.

 

Alex, we're the only suitor left for you!

Have we considered that Cobb has not signed with us because he doesn't want to come here?

 

Probably 100 times

[homer]

Cobb must really be sticking to his demands.

 

Nats sign Hellickson.

 

Alex, we're the only suitor left for you!

Have we considered that Cobb has not signed with us because he doesn't want to come here?

 

Probably 100 times

 

Hey, easy to miss in a 79 page thread.

[ewitkows]

He must be waiting till June so there's no draft compensation for him and I'm sure someone who's a contender will have a spot open up between now and then.

[coolhandluke121]

He must be waiting till June so there's no draft compensation for him and I'm sure someone who's a contender will have a spot open up between now and then.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. The lack of draft pick compensation might make up for missing him for a few months. Teams are valuing draft picks very highly right now, as they should. And many teams will want to see how the first few months go before they over-commit.

 

Don't get me wrong; I think he should have taken the best deal weeks ago. There's a reason you almost never see this. Was Kendrys Morales the only one? But waiting is a gamble that could pay off.

[MadThinker88]

Stephen Drew was another that waited (same year as K Morales). Both guys had poor seasons once they signed and started playing that year...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I have to admit, it would be a tad ironic if a certain prediction came true and Cobb signed the last week of March. That was supposedly crazy talk, yet here we are.

[BallandGlove]

I have to admit, it would be a tad ironic if a certain prediction came true and Cobb signed the last week of March. That was supposedly crazy talk, yet here we are.

 

What prediction?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I have to admit, it would be a tad ironic if a certain prediction came true and Cobb signed the last week of March. That was supposedly crazy talk, yet here we are.

 

What prediction?

 

We had a poster here that claimed to have a source in the Brewers front office that predicted Cobb would be signing the last week of March. He did not guarantee that it would be the Brewers signing him, although he alluded to that idea several times previously. That poster most here feel is a fraud, although he continues to feed "inside info" to a former poster here who passes along Brewer info on his right-wing blog.

 

All that info is in this thread, but probably better to summarize than to take a couple hours to go back and read through this mess.

[And That]

The first 1500ish posts from the thread have been split off so as not to tax the board's software. Everyone's posts are still accessible, it's just when someone goes back and assembles all of the Alex Cobb thread into an Illyiad-like epic poem, they'll have to do a little digging.

[82brewcrew82]

I have to admit, it would be a tad ironic if a certain prediction came true and Cobb signed the last week of March. That was supposedly crazy talk, yet here we are.

 

What prediction?

 

We had a poster here that claimed to have a source in the Brewers front office that predicted Cobb would be signing the last week of March. He did not guarantee that it would be the Brewers signing him, although he alluded to that idea several times previously. That poster most here feel is a fraud, although he continues to feed "inside info" to a former poster here who passes along Brewer info on his right-wing blog.

 

All that info is in this thread, but probably better to summarize than to take a couple hours to go back and read through this mess.

Let's not forget that at least two mods with connections to the Brewers confirmed with the Brewers that said poster had no inside information.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Let's not forget that at least two mods with connections to the Brewers confirmed with the Brewers that said poster had no inside information.

 

Oh no doubt the timing may be coincidental. That wouldn't stop it from appearing extremely ironic, at least to me.

 

I know everyone has an opinion on the situation. I for one thought it was a fun way to pass the time in February.

[brewcrewdue80]

In Anderson, Davies & Chacin we have three legitimate MLB starters with varying degrees of success over multiple seasons.

 

In Woodruff & Suter we have two young pitchers with varying degrees of pedigree who have already experienced MLB success albeit in a limited sample.

 

In Guerra & Miley we have a couple guys who were terrible last season, but have had varying degrees of success in the past.

 

In Burnes, Ortiz & Peralta we have three prospects of some regard who have already pitched successfully at the AA level & could potentially help at some point similar to Woodruff/Suter last year.

 

In Nelson we have our best pitcher from last year who should be ready at some point during the season.

 

Having Cobb to add into that first group would be nice, but I feel we have plenty of legit options without him.

 

Don't get me wrong because I'm okay with the rotation too, but I don't think it works this way. Quantity over quality doesn't mean anything with starters. You can only choose one of them for each spot in the rotation, and by the time you realize you chose the wrong one, you would have cost yourself several crucial games.

 

Out of Guerra, Miley, Gallardo, Woodruff, Suter, Burnes, and Wilkerson, there's probably an 80% chance one of them would have a great season this year if given the opportunity. The problem is that you can't give all of them that opportunity. Not even close.

 

My reasons for not wanting to add a starter are more about finances, draft picks, and the maximizing the best window of contention, which is not this year. The Nats will fade soon and the Cubs will be deep in the luxury tax with a weak farm system. See what you have in Suter, Woodruff, and Burnes; they're just as likely as Guerra or Gallardo to have a good season anyway.

 

Dodgers had 10 pitchers get starts last year, 13 the season before that. Kershaw led the team with 175IP Kenta Maeda the season before with 175.2IP

 

Quantity allows your team to withstand injuries, 15-45 day injuries forcing option 6,7,or 8 to take their turn on the mound. It's one thing that I believe the Brewers are ahead of the Cubs who are a TJ away from depleting that awesome 5man staff.

 

6IP 3ER is considered a quality start while at the same time being a 4.5ERA doing so. Give guys the ball who should beat 4.25ERA and we'll be fine throughout the regular season. Worry more about the Playoff Rotation as the trade deadlines come.

[KeithStone53151]

Let's not forget that at least two mods with connections to the Brewers confirmed with the Brewers that said poster had no inside information.

 

I don't think anyone is going to buy into his rumors again, I think he was merely stating how interesting if he was right yet again? I believe he made the call on the last week of March about 2-3 weeks ago, which is a fairly bold call at that point.

[BallandGlove]

Let's not forget that at least two mods with connections to the Brewers confirmed with the Brewers that said poster had no inside information.

 

I don't think anyone is going to buy into his rumors again, I think he was merely stating how interesting if he was right yet again? I believe he made the call on the last week of March about 2-3 weeks ago, which is a fairly bold call at that point.

 

Looking back at the guy sifting through past posts he looked to have a pretty good track record.

 

Is there a chance that Cobb could be hurt? Do teams have access to a FA medical records if something just came up. Are teams at least allowed to watch him workout? If I'm any team and I can see him pitch right now. And he looks to be sharp. I might give him the offer he wants.

[82brewcrew82]

Let's not forget that at least two mods with connections to the Brewers confirmed with the Brewers that said poster had no inside information.

 

I don't think anyone is going to buy into his rumors again, I think he was merely stating how interesting if he was right yet again? I believe he made the call on the last week of March about 2-3 weeks ago, which is a fairly bold call at that point.

 

Looking back at the guy sifting through past posts he looked to have a pretty good track record.

 

Is there a chance that Cobb could be hurt? Do teams have access to a FA medical records if something just came up. Are teams at least allowed to watch him workout? If I'm any team and I can see him pitch right now. And he looks to be sharp. I might give him the offer he wants.

I wouldn't see the point of doing a showcase if I were Cobb. If he doesn't look sharp he gains to lose a lot more than he would gain if he looked sharp. Like others have noted I think he has made the decision to wait things out for as long as it takes. Someone will get hurt and that team will pony up if they don't have a better option.

[BallandGlove]

Part of me also says there might be an injury lurking. And maybe he's buying time to sign that offer. At which time he will have to pass a physical.

[82brewcrew82]

Part of me also says there might be an injury lurking. And maybe he's buying time to sign that offer. At which time he will have to pass a physical.

It's possible but I'm thinking he still hasn't regained his stuff from the last time he was hurt. If he could, without question, show is stuff was back, then maybe you get that showcase. In fact, I'd think he would be eager to do it under those circumstances. He's not doing that which is what makes me think the downside risk is too great to do a showcase.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Part of me also says there might be an injury lurking. And maybe he's buying time to sign that offer. At which time he will have to pass a physical.

 

There might be something to this. There has to be a reason why there has been very little out there as far as interested teams. Still, teams sign guys who are injured all the time. Wouldn't it be better to do the last part of his rehab under the guidance of a team's training staff?

 

I'm sure the reason for the delay will come out when/if he signs somewhere. Did he miss any time near the end of last year?

[DR28]

Yea there's gotta something going on with Cobb... Looked like he was going to be the 1st SP to sign and now here we are 10 days from OD and he's still a FA.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Yeah it doesn't make much sense that he hasn't accepted an offer by now.

 

Waiting this long is jeopardizing being able to open the season in a team's rotation.

 

It's a good guess that a red flag is showing up on his medicals and he doesn't actually have an offer on the table at this point.

[superfly]

I'm about to the point where signing him is a significant risk. Unless you're premium talent like Leveon Bell (and even he had trouble) starting late seems like it always ends badly in pro sports.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm about to the point where signing him is a significant risk. Unless you're premium talent like Leveon Bell (and even he had trouble) starting late seems like it always ends badly in pro sports.

 

Kyle Lohse had a good first year with the Brewers in 2013 after signing March 25. If I remember right, he missed a start or two in April, then was inserted into the rotation and was good. The wheels didn't come off until much later.

[NOMAAM]

Yeah it doesn't make much sense that he hasn't accepted an offer by now.

 

Waiting this long is jeopardizing being able to open the season in a team's rotation.

 

It's a good guess that a red flag is showing up on his medicals and he doesn't actually have an offer on the table at this point.

 

I just think him & his agent have been completely unrealistic about his worth from the beginning and as the market has shrunk they haven't accepted reality yet.

[brewmann04]

If his agent told him to hold out I would fire him by now.

the other maybe there a Medical issue?

finally with Matt Arnold being on the team in the FO maybe he knows more about Cobb and how he would fit or don't fit here with the crew .

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

finally with Matt Arnold being on the team in the FO maybe he knows more about Cobb and how he would fit or don't fit here with the crew .

 

Considering no one else has signed him yet, either, I'm thinking the issue is either medical or unrealistic contract demands. I have a feeling that if Cobb was a clubhouse issue, we would have heard something on that. Word on clubhouse turds typically leaks out quite readily.