Alex Cobb (Part 2)

[82brewcrew82]

Yeah it's gone. Damn it. But there's gotta be a reason he posted it. Maybe they're finalizing a deal and he wasn't supposed to post it...one can only hope.

 

Yea I agree with you, has to be a reason.

 

To just post that randomly out of the blue doesnt make much sense to me.

Yeah cuz people never post random stupidness on twitter.

[Never Outhustled]

Cobb is only a year and a half younger than Arrieta.

 

He has less of a track record and many more question marks IMO.

 

Let's hope these made-up rumors about Cobb go away and the Brewers pony up the money to sign Jake.

 

 

Did you know... The Milwaukee Brewers drafted Jake Arrieta in the 26th round of the 2005 MLB Draft out of Weatherford College in Texas?

He did not sign. The Orioles drafted him in the 5th round two years later and signed him.

 

Arrieta showed strong regression in every single known metric over the last 2 years. Stay away! With Cobb, there's at least plausible hope that he'll regain his split change.

[DR28]

Yeah it's gone. Damn it. But there's gotta be a reason he posted it. Maybe they're finalizing a deal and he wasn't supposed to post it...one can only hope.

 

Yea I agree with you, has to be a reason.

 

To just post that randomly out of the blue doesnt make much sense to me.

Yeah cuz people never post random stupidness on twitter.

 

But to be posting about NCAA things, then throw Cobb in there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

But to be posting about NCAA things, then throw Cobb in there.

 

The guy is a F-R-A-U-D. Best just to move on. Twitter is a scary bunch of squirrels.

[badger3034]

I still find it entertaining if someone posts stuff like that haha. It's more entertaining than what the last 4 weeks have been for the brewers

[bylo tesi me]

A take it or leave it deadline only works if a player is really interested in signing with you. I'm guessing the issue is they are not, otherwise a deal would probably have been worked out by now. Living here in Cub country, talk is Cobb really wants to pitch for Chicago, as he is familiar with their manager and pitching coach. If Cobb settles for a below market deal, it will probably be with the Cubs. Arrieta, who knows, but it doesn't seem like he's jumping up and down and waving at the Crew, saying pick me.

 

Yeesh! Another instance of a Cub fan feeling that it is the player's honor to play for their team. Knock me over with a feather! For a team with one title in a century, there sure is a sense of entitlement.

 

If Cobb really wanted to be there, he would have accepted the 3-year deal they offered him back in December.

 

 

FTR.. I am Definitely not a Cubs fan

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

A take it or leave it deadline only works if a player is really interested in signing with you. I'm guessing the issue is they are not, otherwise a deal would probably have been worked out by now. Living here in Cub country, talk is Cobb really wants to pitch for Chicago, as he is familiar with their manager and pitching coach. If Cobb settles for a below market deal, it will probably be with the Cubs. Arrieta, who knows, but it doesn't seem like he's jumping up and down and waving at the Crew, saying pick me.

 

Yeesh! Another instance of a Cub fan feeling that it is the player's honor to play for their team. Knock me over with a feather! For a team with one title in a century, there sure is a sense of entitlement.

 

If Cobb really wanted to be there, he would have accepted the 3-year deal they offered him back in December.

 

 

FTR.. I am Definitely not a Cubs fan

 

I know ... I was alluding to the talk you said you hear from fans in Cubs country. I'm sorry you have to put up with that.

[A Swing and A Drive]

This article predicts we get none of the 3 top remaining SP Free Agents:

 

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2018/2/28/17063234/mlb-free-agency-starters-jake-arrieta-lance-lynn-alex-cobb

 

If Brewers somehow miss out on both Arrieta AND Cobb, the Brewers 2018 season is in trouble from the start, IMO.

[DR28]

This article predicts we get none of the 3 top remaining SP Free Agents:

 

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2018/2/28/17063234/mlb-free-agency-starters-jake-arrieta-lance-lynn-alex-cobb

 

If Brewers somehow miss out on both Arrieta AND Cobb, the Brewers 2018 season is in trouble from the start, IMO.

 

This article says best landing spot... Yankees have already said they won't be adding Lynn or Cobb.

[pacopete4]

Any more people on Twitter that can rile us up into thinking we are getting Cobb today?

[SoCalBrewfan]

There should be a third-party rating system so that readers can know whether an article is coming from a journalist with sources, a analyst with data, a reasonably well-informed fan with an opinion, or a blowhard. That article is clearly category three. I wouldn't even consider it a prediction. JMO.

[Mudville9]

Probably a Russian "bot" account anyway.

[brwrsfan]

Jim Bowden

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Verified account

 

@JimBowdenGM

9m9 minutes ago

 

Several teams remain in on Cobb or Lynn including: Orioles, Phillies, Twins and Brewers but all are waiting for 3-Year deals under $50m so they don’t have to give up draft pick compensation according to sources...asking price remains above for now

[KeithStone53151]

Jim Bowden

‏

Verified account

 

@JimBowdenGM

9m9 minutes ago

 

Several teams remain in on Cobb or Lynn including: Orioles, Phillies, Twins and Brewers but all are waiting for 3-Year deals under $50m so they don’t have to give up draft pick compensation according to sources...asking price remains above for now

 

The under $50 million isn't all that surprising if that's were draft compensation is tied. I keep forgetting how these new rules work. I find it weird that Lynn was offered 2/12 by the Twins, but apparently the Twins are in play for Cobb at 3/49.5...

 

If this is true, it might be a case where all 4 teams make similar offers and he simply picks his favorite...not an ideal place for us to be but maybe our team situation and Matt Arnold help with that.

[NOMAAM]

Any more people on Twitter that can rile us up into thinking we are getting Cobb today?

 

 

I'll create an account if the board needs it.

[pacopete4]

Wait, I thought the Twins wouldn't sign him now?

[wibadgers23]

Ugh! Just feels like these guys are never going to sign. Opening day can't come soon enough.

[jjfanec]

I am sure it is in the thread but what pick do we lose for Cobb if we sign him above 50 million?

[82brewcrew82]

Any more people on Twitter that can rile us up into thinking we are getting Cobb today?

 

 

I'll create an account if the board needs it.

Oh we need it!

[coolhandluke121]

Jim Bowden

‏

Verified account

 

@JimBowdenGM

9m9 minutes ago

 

Several teams remain in on Cobb or Lynn including: Orioles, Phillies, Twins and Brewers but all are waiting for 3-Year deals under $50m so they don’t have to give up draft pick compensation according to sources...asking price remains above for now

 

I shouldn't complain because I was guilty of the same mistake once, but at least I bothered to do some research and double-check everything... and I'm not a professional like Bowden.

 

The contract doesn't affect which pick the signing team forfeits any more. It only affects what pick the previous team receives. Those picks are independent of each other. You only save your pick if you wait until after the draft.

 

What kind of compensation pick will a club that loses such a player receive?

It depends.

 

Under the previous CBA, if a team made a qualifying offer to a player and he signed elsewhere, it would get a supplemental first-round Draft pick (right after the end of the first round). That has all changed.

 

Under the new rules, if the team that loses the free agent is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection -- if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million -- will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A of the 2018 MLB Draft. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.

 

The following 16 teams currently qualify for these picks: A's, Astros, Braves, Brewers, D-backs, Indians, Mariners, Marlins, Orioles, Padres, Pirates, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Royals and Twins.

 

If the team that loses the player does not receive revenue sharing and did not exceed the luxury-tax salary threshold the previous season, its compensatory pick will come after Competitive Balance Round B. The value of the player's contract doesn't matter in this case. The nine clubs that fall into this category are the Angels, Blue Jays, Cardinals, Cubs, Mets, Phillies, Rangers, Red Sox and White Sox.

 

If the team that loses the player went over the luxury-tax threshold, the compensation pick will be placed after the fourth round has been completed (as with the previous scenario, it doesn't matter how much the player signs for). The five clubs in this group are the Dodgers, Giants, Nationals, Tigers and Yankees.

 

Are there still penalties for signing players who rejected qualifying offers?

Yes, but there are some changes.

 

Any team that signs a player who has rejected a qualifying offer is subject to the loss of one or more Draft picks. While a team's highest first-round pick is exempt from forfeiture, any additional first-round picks are eligible. Under the previous CBA, only the top 10 overall picks were exempt from forfeiture, so this is a big change. Three tiers of Draft-pick forfeiture -- which are based on the financial status of the signing team -- are in place to serve as a penalty for signing a player who rejected a qualifying offer:

 

• A team that exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year's Draft, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If such a team signs multiple qualifying-offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest remaining picks as well.

 

Examples: A team with one pick in each round of the 2018 Draft would lose its second- and fifth-round picks. A team with two first-round picks and one pick in each subsequent round would lose its second-highest first-round pick and its fourth-round pick.

 

• A team that receives revenue sharing will lose its third-highest selection in the following year's Draft. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its fourth-highest remaining pick.

 

Brewers in bold. They gave up their 3rd pick for Cain and would give up their 4th for Cobb, Arrieta, or Lynn unless they wait until after the draft. Period. Could sign them for $1 and they'd forfeit the pick.

[MrTPlush]

Very possible those deals are notably below $50mil total. MLBTR predicted 4/$48mil so a 3/$49.99mil deal would sound pretty good. Honestly if that was the case I think he would sign in a heartbeat. He might be sitting on 3/$36mil type offers vs. $50mil contracts.

 

Are teams really that motivated to make sure the Rays don’t get a pick though?

[KeithStone53151]

Very possible those deals are notably below $50mil total. MLBTR predicted 4/$48mil so a 3/$49.99mil deal would sound pretty good. Honestly if that was the case I think he would sign in a heartbeat. He might be sitting on 3/$36mil type offers vs. $50mil contracts.

 

Are teams really that motivated to make sure the Rays don’t get a pick though?

 

Maybe the Orioles. I can't imagine the Brewers care even a little bit about the Rays compensation.

[MrTPlush]

Very possible those deals are notably below $50mil total. MLBTR predicted 4/$48mil so a 3/$49.99mil deal would sound pretty good. Honestly if that was the case I think he would sign in a heartbeat. He might be sitting on 3/$36mil type offers vs. $50mil contracts.

 

Are teams really that motivated to make sure the Rays don’t get a pick though?

 

Maybe the Orioles. I can't imagine the Brewers care even a little bit about the Rays compensation.

 

Yah, this rumor doesn’t make a ton of sense. Maybe the deals are below $50mil, but the reason might have gotten lost in translation.

[adambr2]

Very possible those deals are notably below $50mil total. MLBTR predicted 4/$48mil so a 3/$49.99mil deal would sound pretty good. Honestly if that was the case I think he would sign in a heartbeat. He might be sitting on 3/$36mil type offers vs. $50mil contracts.

 

Are teams really that motivated to make sure the Rays don’t get a pick though?

 

Maybe the Orioles. I can't imagine the Brewers care even a little bit about the Rays compensation.

 

Well I don't think we care about the Rays part, just us giving up another pick.

[coolhandluke121]

Very possible those deals are notably below $50mil total. MLBTR predicted 4/$48mil so a 3/$49.99mil deal would sound pretty good. Honestly if that was the case I think he would sign in a heartbeat. He might be sitting on 3/$36mil type offers vs. $50mil contracts.

 

Are teams really that motivated to make sure the Rays don’t get a pick though?

 

Maybe the Orioles. I can't imagine the Brewers care even a little bit about the Rays compensation.

 

Well I don't think we care about the Rays part, just us giving up another pick.

 

And they forfeit a pick no matter what he signs for. The Rays get a sandwich pick, and it will be about 1 round lower if he gets less than $50m. The advantage to the Brewers? It wouldn't bump their 2nd-round pick down 1 spot, because it would not be a comp round A pick if it's less than $50m. It would be comp round B, which would still bump every draft pick below it down one spot.