Re: Alex Cobb

[82brewcrew82]

This doesnt make any sense to me... Didnt HH post we were getting Yelich before it happened? And that it was gonna sting on the return?

When he called the Yelich thing it was already being widely reported that the teams were talking. He made an educated guess. The second thing about stinging, that should have been obvious. Just re-read the first three posts in this thread.

[AKCheesehead]

[Point Beer Is Best]

He also asked me to relay that his final post on the forum, saying he did not have a source, was sarcasm. I read it that way, but I guess you never know how others will.

 

This from Al Bethke’s blog. Good grief.

[82brewcrew82]

He also asked me to relay that his final post on the forum, saying he did not have a source, was sarcasm. I read it that way, but I guess you never know how others will.

 

This from Al Bethke’s blog. Good grief.

The minute he thinks his 15 minutes are up he reverses course.

[trwi7]

He also asked me to relay that his final post on the forum, saying he did not have a source, was sarcasm. I read it that way, but I guess you never know how others will.

 

This from Al Bethke’s blog. Good grief.

 

Fine. He can go post his rumors there in between all the right wing garbage Bethke posts.

[remfire]

I think there is a bigger issue here and that is the overall level of respect that people have for other people's opinions, whether they are right or wrong. Obviously lying about having insider information is closer to the wrong end of the spectrum, but that is only part of the issue. It's not about having the right to express skepticism, it's about how the skepticism was expressed. The issue was not with what HH was posting, it was the tone with which how people responded.

 

There is an old saying, "it's not what you say but how you say it". People are free to disagree with others' opinions, but please do so in a polite way. Think of it this way - before you respond to someone, ask yourself, would you want someone responding to you in that way to one of your opinions?

 

In other words, don't be an ass to other posters here. Challenge and criticize with tact. Take an extra minute and read through what you wrote and ask yourself if this is the proper tone and if there is any way to do so in a more respectful way.

 

Excellent post. I log on daily but this right here is why I don't bother posting much. This is also why Louis is one of my favorite reads. Always very well thought out posts.

 

No disrespect intended but if you don't post much because you don't find the board to be polite enough, I'd hate to imagine what you think of the rest of the Internet. I've posted on many Brewer boards (ok, like 5) over the years, and this one is by far the most heavily moderated and least confrontational.

 

Precisely why I still own a flip phone...

[ilikewisco]

He also asked me to relay that his final post on the forum, saying he did not have a source, was sarcasm. I read it that way, but I guess you never know how others will.

 

This from Al Bethke’s blog. Good grief.

 

Ugh, I could have lived without ever knowing that blog ever existed.

[82brewcrew82]

He also asked me to relay that his final post on the forum, saying he did not have a source, was sarcasm. I read it that way, but I guess you never know how others will.

 

This from Al Bethke’s blog. Good grief.

 

Ugh, I could have lived without ever knowing that blog ever existed.

Makes you wanna take a shower.

[ilikewisco]

 

This from Al Bethke’s blog. Good grief.

 

Ugh, I could have lived without ever knowing that blog ever existed.

Makes you wanna take a shower.

 

That or stick hot pokers in my eyes.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

His posts were a fun way to pass time in what's been a slow offseason. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a shame that it eventually tuned into a flame war anytime he posted. My opinion is that there were several people here that were very disrespectful. The mods did a terrific job of cleaning up the messes, but that didn't stop the 3-4 regular aggressors from ganging up on him whenever he posted. I joined this forum and read it a lot because I thought it was better than that. I admit that I got skeptical of him back in late January, and called him out. Of course, that ended up being hours before the Yelich and Cain deals went down, so it couldn't have been worse timing. It made me look like an idiot. Perhaps he feels he has a source. He never struck me as a troll, and still doesn't

 

I appreciated him because he came across to me as a huge Brewer fan, and was very optimistic and positive about the team's leadership and chances. While I think most of us here are also optimistic fans, there are several here, especially lately, that seem to enjoy knocking the team down, and knocking down posters showing optimism. They almost seem like they want the team to lose so they will be proven right in their pessimism. That attitude day after day has gotten old.

 

I'm hoping that now that this chapter is behind us , and that opening day is only a few short weeks away, this board can get back to talking baseball instead of knocking each other down.

[adambr2]

This doesnt make any sense to me... Didnt HH post we were getting Yelich before it happened? And that it was gonna sting on the return?

When he called the Yelich thing it was already being widely reported that the teams were talking. He made an educated guess. The second thing about stinging, that should have been obvious. Just re-read the first three posts in this thread.

 

Thank you. This is what I mean about history being rewritten to fit the narrative we want. If you go back and read the history, when the Yelich rumors became well known, the first thing he said on it was 'news to me.'

 

So at that point he shifted and said "95% Yelich to Brewers," when he and everyone else already knew Yelich had a very good chance of going to the Brewers.

 

Here were other things he said:

 

- Santana to be traded to an AL team

- Brewers prioritizing Kipnis, then Walker

- Smaller trade in the works

- Brewers talking to Arizona about a deal

- Brewers still to make multiple moves (after acquiring Yelich/Cain)

- Brewers pushing hard to get Darvish (was revealed after the Cubs signed Darvish that the Brewers never really made an aggressive offer)

 

I don't know if it's human nature or what, but people seem to remember the ones he hit and forget the ones he missed. It's pretty easy to look like an insider when you make sure to let people know when you called something that had a very good chance of happening anyway, and then chalk up the misses you have on "things change."

[coolhandluke121]

I'm with TPlush, luke, and Trwi7 on this one. I don't believe that what you're describing ever really happened -- or certainly not moreso than any other poster has experienced.

 

Yeah, it was more about people not wanting to offend HH because they thought he really did have sources and were worried he would stop posting. It was sanctimonious and also frankly a little unfair to anybody who, quite rightly, challenged the notion that HH was an insider.

 

Unfortunately the rules for courteous discourse don't apply as evenly as you might think. Dissenters and people with unpopular opinions are often accused of being disrespectful when they're really not; their only crime is having the nerve to challenge the majority or the thing that people want to believe. Then they end up being the disrespected ones, but that's considered okay because they had to be "corrected" as Delbert Grady might say.

 

[BrewCrewForever]

To me, he was a troll plain and simple. And he proved it with his final posts.

 

He's no Brewer World

[82brewcrew82]

This doesnt make any sense to me... Didnt HH post we were getting Yelich before it happened? And that it was gonna sting on the return?

When he called the Yelich thing it was already being widely reported that the teams were talking. He made an educated guess. The second thing about stinging, that should have been obvious. Just re-read the first three posts in this thread.

 

Thank you. This is what I mean about history being rewritten to fit the narrative we want. If you go back and read the history, when the Yelich rumors became well known, the first thing he said on it was 'news to me.'

 

So at that point he shifted and said "95% Yelich to Brewers," when he and everyone else already knew Yelich had a very good chance of going to the Brewers.

 

Here were other things he said:

 

- Santana to be traded to an AL team

- Brewers prioritizing Kipnis, then Walker

- Smaller trade in the works

- Brewers talking to Arizona about a deal

- Brewers still to make multiple moves (after acquiring Yelich/Cain)

- Brewers pushing hard to get Darvish (was revealed after the Cubs signed Darvish that the Brewers never really made an aggressive offer)

 

I don't know if it's human nature or what, but people seem to remember the ones he hit and forget the ones he missed. It's pretty easy to look like an insider when you make sure to let people know when you called something that had a very good chance of happening anyway, and then chalk up the misses you have on "things change."

I'd agree except to say he never really "hit" on anything.

[coolhandluke121]

I love instigators, who cry foul. Happens all the time... start across the line, claim innocence, point at the guy who joins the mud and throws it at you.

 

That's my problem with what unfolded here and its sad to see it won't be changing because they still see themselves as faultless.

 

Yep. And the sanctimonious nonsense has been completely out of control.

[82brewcrew82]

I'm with TPlush, luke, and Trwi7 on this one. I don't believe that what you're describing ever really happened -- or certainly not moreso than any other poster has experienced.

 

Yeah, it was more about people not wanting to offend HH because they thought he really did have sources and were worried he would stop posting. It was sanctimonious and also frankly a little unfair to anybody who, quite rightly, challenged the notion that HH was an insider.

 

Unfortunately the rules for courteous discourse don't apply as evenly as you might think. Dissenters and people with unpopular opinions are often accused of being disrespectful when they're really not; their only crime is having the nerve to challenge the majority or the thing that people want to believe. Then they end up being the disrespected ones, but that's considered okay because they had to be "corrected" as Delbert Grady might say.

Great post. Unfortunately there are a few that will never be able to see it.

[82brewcrew82]

I love instigators, who cry foul. Happens all the time... start across the line, claim innocence, point at the guy who joins the mud and throws it at you.

 

That's my problem with what unfolded here and its sad to see it won't be changing because they still see themselves as faultless.

 

Yep. And the sanctimonious nonsense has been completely out of control.

[homer]

Literally the same three or four people that we mods get complaints about on a weekly basis are the same ones snarkily adding their opinions in this thread. Stop it. Forever. If you can't let stuff go and feel the need to get in the last word in every thread then this is not the board for you...plain and simple.

[reillymcshane]

I am going to add this bit of information about the HH drama - courtesy of a baseball writer.

 

He said a person with high level access to a major league front office would never be so blatantly stupid as to repeatedly share priveleded information with a guy posting the stuff on a message board.

 

If a team's inner workings were being openly and accurately discussed on a message board - the team would find out who was behind the leaks very, very quickly. And heads would roll.

 

It is 'beyond ridiculous' - his words - that a ML executive would do such a moronic thing and threaten his or her career.

 

Do leaks happen? Absolutely. But to have a single source provide a steady stream of info to a guy posting on a message board over the course of weeks and months is crazy.

[reillymcshane]

I'm about to get banned appaerently by the moderators at BF.NET according to their most recent email because I won't be a bf.net minion and be mister good poster.

I want to point out that it is not the style of BF.net mods to publically call out posters - in fact, this information is only public because HH has decided to make it so.

 

HH was politely asked to stop posting his supposed 'insider' information on the site. Nothing more. No one threatened him or drove him off.

 

As you can guess, he has not taken the high road in this situation.

[trwi7]

Literally the same three or four people that we mods get complaints about on a weekly basis are the same ones snarkily adding their opinions in this thread. Stop it. Forever. If you can't let stuff go and feel the need to get in the last word in every thread then this is not the board for you...plain and simple.

 

Where is the snark in this thread?

[Brewcrewin07]

I am going to add this bit of information about the HH drama - courtesy of a baseball writer.

 

He said a person with high level access to a major league front office would never be so blatantly stupid as to repeatedly share priveleded information with a guy posting the stuff on a message board.

 

If a team's inner workings were being openly and accurately discussed on a message board - the team would find out who was behind the leaks very, very quickly. And heads would roll.

 

It is 'beyond ridiculous' - his words - that a ML executive would do such a moronic thing and threaten his or her career.

 

Do leaks happen? Absolutely. But to have a single source provide a steady stream of info to a guy posting on a message board over the course of weeks and months is crazy.

 

I get what you are saying, but believe me when I tell you, there ARE sports message boards out there(that I post on/read) where people DO have legit inside info and DO share it quite regularly. Now granted, those are pay boards, and maybe that's why they can do it(and their sources know they do it), but it's not unprecedented for people to have inside info and share it with others. I get lots of inside info from some people on different things that I know is 100% legit, but they also trust I won't post it other places, and/or let it get out. I think a lot of it depends on how it's presented to the masses..there are ways of letting info get out there to the people without actually telling them the info..you give them bits in pieces in a creative way that they can connect the dots from there, or sometimes they will tell you in a PM as well.

 

I realize blatantly posting info can cost someone their job, and no one wants that, BUT it can be done without costing people their jobs.

[Eye Black]

This doesnt make any sense to me... Didnt HH post we were getting Yelich before it happened? And that it was gonna sting on the return?

When he called the Yelich thing it was already being widely reported that the teams were talking. He made an educated guess. The second thing about stinging, that should have been obvious. Just re-read the first three posts in this thread.

 

Thank you. This is what I mean about history being rewritten to fit the narrative we want. If you go back and read the history, when the Yelich rumors became well known, the first thing he said on it was 'news to me.'

 

So at that point he shifted and said "95% Yelich to Brewers," when he and everyone else already knew Yelich had a very good chance of going to the Brewers.

 

Here were other things he said:

 

- Santana to be traded to an AL team

- Brewers prioritizing Kipnis, then Walker

- Smaller trade in the works

- Brewers talking to Arizona about a deal

- Brewers still to make multiple moves (after acquiring Yelich/Cain)

- Brewers pushing hard to get Darvish (was revealed after the Cubs signed Darvish that the Brewers never really made an aggressive offer)

 

I don't know if it's human nature or what, but people seem to remember the ones he hit and forget the ones he missed. It's pretty easy to look like an insider when you make sure to let people know when you called something that had a very good chance of happening anyway, and then chalk up the misses you have on "things change."

And he was claiming the Marlins were going to trade “Yelich and friends” together. As pointed out above, he was far from the first person to bring up that the Brewers and Marlins were to discussing a Yelich trade, that prize goes to a different member of Brewers Twitter followed by Craig Mish (MLB Radio).

[homer]

I am going to add this bit of information about the HH drama - courtesy of a baseball writer.

 

He said a person with high level access to a major league front office would never be so blatantly stupid as to repeatedly share priveleded information with a guy posting the stuff on a message board.

 

If a team's inner workings were being openly and accurately discussed on a message board - the team would find out who was behind the leaks very, very quickly. And heads would roll.

 

It is 'beyond ridiculous' - his words - that a ML executive would do such a moronic thing and threaten his or her career.

 

Do leaks happen? Absolutely. But to have a single source provide a steady stream of info to a guy posting on a message board over the course of weeks and months is crazy.

 

I get what you are saying, but believe me when I tell you, there ARE sports message boards out there(that I post on/read) where people DO have legit inside info and DO share it quite regularly. Now granted, those are pay boards, and maybe that's why they can do it(and their sources know they do it), but it's not unprecedented for people to have inside info and share it with others. I get lots of inside info from some people on different things that I know is 100% legit, but they also trust I won't post it other places, and/or let it get out. I think a lot of it depends on how it's presented to the masses..there are ways of letting info get out there to the people without actually telling them the info..you give them bits in pieces in a creative way that they can connect the dots from there, or sometimes they will tell you in a PM as well.

 

I realize blatantly posting info can cost someone their job, and no one wants that, BUT it can be done without costing people their jobs.

 

True. I mean I've gotten inside info before but it's not a steady stream of trade rumors on every available player out there with contract numbers, dates, and odds that it will or won't happen.

[MrTPlush]

No one is arguing that. It is the fact at the height of his time he was rapid firing 15+ rumors a day and was getting new info all day. He knew so much info the person had to of been one of the Top 10 people in the organization. That just doesn’t make rational sense.