Inevitable Trade of an OF?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You absolutely need your RF to be able to cut down runners at 3B. A weak armed RF gets abused by runners constantly taking that extra base,

 

At least Santana does have a strong arm in RF. It isn't Phillips-strong, but he does have that ability ... fielding the ball, on the other hand ...

 

Santana is a good athlete, and he is young enough to potentially improve in the OF, as long as he doesn't bulk up too much. Having terrific defensive outfielders in Yelich and Cain out there would mask some of Santana's shortcomings as well. While I'm still in favor of trading him if the return is there, I am warming to the idea of seeing if he can stay healthy and replicate what he did last year.

 

I am still waiting to see how they are going to clear up this positional traffic jam, though.

 

How much faster does Yelich get to a ball versus Santana. It isn't all about arm strength although that is a plus. If Yelich gets to a ball quicker and gets rid of it quicker, he would be fine in RF. If he doesn't, then Santana's arm strength is a plus over there. But he is slow to just about every ball and a lot of the times he ends up misplaying them. So what good does arm strength do for you then? I would rather have the sure fielder.

 

The idea is moot, as Counsell has already gone on record saying that while Yelich will work a bit at RF in Spring Training, he'll be the team's primary LF.

[clancyphile]

You absolutely need your RF to be able to cut down runners at 3B. A weak armed RF gets abused by runners constantly taking that extra base,

 

At least Santana does have a strong arm in RF. It isn't Phillips-strong, but he does have that ability ... fielding the ball, on the other hand ...

 

Santana is a good athlete, and he is young enough to potentially improve in the OF, as long as he doesn't bulk up too much. Having terrific defensive outfielders in Yelich and Cain out there would mask some of Santana's shortcomings as well. While I'm still in favor of trading him if the return is there, I am warming to the idea of seeing if he can stay healthy and replicate what he did last year.

 

I am still waiting to see how they are going to clear up this positional traffic jam, though.

 

Just use an outfield rotation, sprinkled with DH and 1B games for Braun.

 

Braun, Yelich, Cain, and Santana would all get about 130 starts in that scenario. Plenty of rest, plenty of off days, etc. If Eric Thames regresses, Braun takes more time at first.

 

The key would be to get a decent return for Aguilar. Adam Lind landed three low-level lottery tickets. Jason Rogers brought back a Supak-Broxton package.

 

The Mariners would be a perfect fit... the question is, can Stearns swing that deal? Either Pazos, or a combo of young fireballers (LHPs Matt Clancy ad JP Sears and RHP Seth Elledge is my ideal package).

[MadThinker88]

.... The Mariners would be a perfect fit... the question is, can Stearns swing that deal? Either Pazos, or a combo of young fireballers (LHPs Matt Clancy ad JP Sears and RHP Seth Elledge is my ideal package).

 

Sorry, I do not see the Mariners as a trade fit, especially for anything of value in return.

I can understand your interest in moving Jesus. But you haven't answered why the Mariners would be interested in adding him.

Here is what I see:

1) The Mariners have one of the weakest farm systems in the league.

2) The Mariners are at best the 3rd best team in the AL West (behind Astros & Angels).

3) The Mariners this off season traded for (currently injured, expected back in April) Ryon Healy to be their 1B.

4) IF the Mariners actually wanted to deepen or upgrade their 1B position, they could just spend money to bring in one of the many free agent 1B types.

[brewcrewdue80]

Aguilar is on the wrong side of a Platoon. Has far less experience than Lind did at the moment of that trade. We're talking a Rogers for Broxton/Supak type of deal for him.

[liveforoctober]

Aguilar is on the wrong side of a Platoon. Has far less experience than Lind did at the moment of that trade. We're talking a Rogers for Broxton/Supak type of deal for him.

 

I like Aguilar a lot but if we got a deal similar to Jason Rogers for him I would grab it in a heartbeat. Shaw can play first if neither Thames or Braun are available.

 

A couple of tickets (or any ticket) for Aguilar would be a nice add I think, considering I think he is going to be the casualty of this preseason :/

[coolhandluke121]

Aguilar is on the wrong side of a Platoon. Has far less experience than Lind did at the moment of that trade. We're talking a Rogers for Broxton/Supak type of deal for him.

 

I like Aguilar a lot but if we got a deal similar to Jason Rogers for him I would grab it in a heartbeat. Shaw can play first if neither Thames or Braun are available.

 

A couple of tickets (or any ticket) for Aguilar would be a nice add I think, considering I think he is going to be the casualty of this preseason :/

 

I don't see anybody giving up value for him. There's too many guys like Mark Reynolds available for next to nothing. Guys like Aguilar are kind of a dime a dozen. That's why Matt Clark and Jason Rogers aren't even stateside anymore. I'd be down to give him one more year if they can trade Braun to LAD, but he's just a AAAA masher who really doesn't even mash that well and should rightly be a DH somewhere in Asia or something like that, or a career minor leaguer.

[MadThinker88]

Interesting article noted at Fangraphs today. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-rays-ditched-their-bad-fastball-hitters/

 

While attempting to provide some explanation to the Rays moves (Dickerson, Souza, LoMo, etc) it might also illuminate an issue impacting the value of Keon B & Domingo S...

 

Whiffs vs. Four-Seamers

Rank Player Results

1 Corey Dickerson 172

2 Mike Zunino 133

3 Steven Souza Jr. 121

4 Keon Broxton 116

5 Mark Reynolds 116

6 Cody Bellinger 115

7 Scott Schebler 107

8 Logan Morrison 107

9 Domingo Santana 105

10 Giancarlo Stanton 105

SOURCE: Baseball Savant

[wallus]

If that is accurate, it would explain while Domingo does not have a lot of value to the Rays.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yelich's arm would be a pretty big liability in RF. Then again, unlike Santana he'd actually be able to get to and catch the ball.

 

Well, Yelich is getting his first Spring Training start in RF today against the DBacks. Hopefully he's tested out there. If he can play an above-average RF, that would really help the team's versatility.

[SeaBass]

I'm not sure the whole Yelich/RF liability debate is worth it unless he's projected to get more than 20ish starts out there (1/8th of the season). Maybe if he got closer to 40ish starts it would start to matter. Even then I'm not convinced he's that much of a liability there that he starts to hurt the team more than he helps.

[brewcrewdue80]

Aguilar is on the wrong side of a Platoon. Has far less experience than Lind did at the moment of that trade. We're talking a Rogers for Broxton/Supak type of deal for him.

 

I like Aguilar a lot but if we got a deal similar to Jason Rogers for him I would grab it in a heartbeat. Shaw can play first if neither Thames or Braun are available.

 

A couple of tickets (or any ticket) for Aguilar would be a nice add I think, considering I think he is going to be the casualty of this preseason :/

 

I don't see anybody giving up value for him. There's too many guys like Mark Reynolds available for next to nothing. Guys like Aguilar are kind of a dime a dozen. That's why Matt Clark and Jason Rogers aren't even stateside anymore. I'd be down to give him one more year if they can trade Braun to LAD, but he's just a AAAA masher who really doesn't even mash that well and should rightly be a DH somewhere in Asia or something like that, or a career minor leaguer.

 

May be true. But that idea was to down a 4 player equal to Lind proposals before I stated that.

[coolhandluke121]

 

May be true. But that idea was to down a 4 player equal to Lind proposals before I stated that.

 

I get that you were trying to get someone to be a little more realistic about his value. However, I think even the Rogers deal is aiming too high. That was a pretty embarrassing trade for the Pirates, not because of what they gave up, but because they gave it up for Jason Rogers, who by almost any measure was a slightly more accomplished minor league player and much better on defense than Aguilar.

 

I think any team that wants really Aguilar knows they can just wait for him to be waived, unless they take him as a tertiary piece in a trade.

[JohnBriggs12]

 

May be true. But that idea was to down a 4 player equal to Lind proposals before I stated that.

 

I get that you were trying to get someone to be a little more realistic about his value. However, I think even the Rogers deal is aiming too high. That was a pretty embarrassing trade for the Pirates, not because of what they gave up, but because they gave it up for Jason Rogers, who by almost any measure was a slightly more accomplished minor league player and much better on defense than Aguilar.

 

I think any team that wants really Aguilar knows they can just wait for him to be waived, unless they take him as a tertiary piece in a trade.

 

He's a fit some places. KC to do some platooning with the newly signed Duda? But no not much in return if anything. They may end up having to DFA him like they did with Scooter and hope he doesn't come back to bite them.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

May be true. But that idea was to down a 4 player equal to Lind proposals before I stated that.

 

I get that you were trying to get someone to be a little more realistic about his value. However, I think even the Rogers deal is aiming too high. That was a pretty embarrassing trade for the Pirates, not because of what they gave up, but because they gave it up for Jason Rogers, who by almost any measure was a slightly more accomplished minor league player and much better on defense than Aguilar.

 

I think any team that wants really Aguilar knows they can just wait for him to be waived, unless they take him as a tertiary piece in a trade.

 

He's a fit some places. KC to do some platooning with the newly signed Duda? But no not much in return if anything. They may end up having to DFA him like they did with Scooter and hope he doesn't come back to bite them.

 

He's one of those guys that no team wants to trade for, but they will be falling all over themselves to throw in a waiver claim on him. You are right, a lot like the Gennett situation last year. My only hope would be that since he's a better fit as a 1B/DH in the American League, that the National League teams would pass him over. There aren't many NL teams that have a huge 1B need. The Rockies maybe?

[NYChez]

It's sooo 2016 to discuss trading a guy right after a big game, but has a player in history boosted his value in two days more than Broxton has?

[adambr2]

It's sooo 2016 to discuss trading a guy right after a big game, but has a player in history boosted his value in two days more than Broxton has?

 

I mean I love what Broxton did yesterday, and he's worth too much to just give away.

 

That said, I think most MLB GMs are probably too wise to significantly alter their valuation of a player based on a 2 game sample.

[clancyphile]

It's sooo 2016 to discuss trading a guy right after a big game, but has a player in history boosted his value in two days more than Broxton has?

 

Dunno, but if Broxton keeps it up... he could net a nice return.

[jerichoholicninja]

I'd have to say that if Broxton had any value of significance he would have been traded near the end of spring training. Guys who don't have a spot on a major league roster but are major league quality get traded then, and he didn't. I can't imagine a few good games in the majors after spending half a season in AAA has changed his value one bit.