What if we don't add a starter?

[nate82]

Do we think there is a possibility that Burnes could start the year in the rotation? Obviously he would have to be lights out in spring, but I wonder if that would even be an option for Stearns.

 

No Burnes will be a June call up.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

With the value of years controlled, I doubt Burnes is called up before June. That’s why we have the Suter, Gallardo, Miley’s of the world. If needed to bridge the gap.

[Never Outhustled]

Yes it would. What brew posted about needing 336 ip from the 4-5 screams cobb woodruff with suter on his hip.

 

Getting cobbs 6ip per start arm into the lineup could allow us to use our long man as more of a woodruff piggy back than true long man.

 

If you could get 150 ip (pace) from woodruff and piggy back suter for 3 to 4 ip depending on score situation (90-120 ip pace). That would 240-270 ip would take some serious strain off the pen. If we end up needing a long man when suter is burnt well barnes jeffress are throwing 4 ip combined because they can.

 

I do hope we put suter as a long man and use him as an asset instead of a mop up guy. That can't happen without 1 more starter.

 

I would be fine with not adding another SP if Jimmy was healthy.

 

Nelson

Anderson

Davies

Chacin

Woodruff

 

But he's not right now and the current rotation of

 

Anderson

Davies

Chacin

Woodruff

Suter/Miley/Gallardo/Guerra/Wilkerson

 

Makes NO sense now that we have Yelich and Cain... No sense whatsoever.

 

Wasting 1 year of our window.

 

Arietta was .1 WAR better than Suter last year, and that was only because Suter had shoulder trouble while attempting to stretch himself out midseason after spending time in the bullpen. Let Suter start full time and enjoy him being one of the best values in baseball.

[brewmann04]

Totally agree there is no way this team is a contender without Nelson as no guy in this rotation could replace Nelson. And if they expect to make a playoff run they need to find a quality replacement

[TJseven7]

I wouldn't rule it out but theres got to be something creative with this 8 man pen to make them contend early in the year.

 

Anderson Davies Chacin works enough. Not pretty but enough.

 

Woodruff Suter piggy backed at 4 could be a pen rest/break day if all goes well. Basically you look to woodruff to go 5. Keep him in the 150ip range. If he's not getting to 5 you throw jeffress to get to thru 5. Suter comes in for the 6th. If losing or up 3 he rides the game through the end. If its close you use knebel or even hader in the 9th.

 

The question then is who is at 5. Yo, guerra, miley, wilkerson all get a quick hook and you do a psuedo pen day. If they can get 4ip you should be ok. If you can skip it, skip it.

 

Basically going 6 starters for 5 spots and a 7 man pen. Trade long man ip and 5th starter ip for a deep start from the 4th starter combo.

 

Gets far easier when burnes nelson peralta bump out weak links mid year.

[FVBrewerFan]

With Burnes, slight chance he won't have to wait for mid season. Could earn a spot in ST

[TJseven7]

Earning and earning it so decisively that you make the team want to start your clock are different things.

 

CC made a comment about peralta and burnes not being out of the question for june. Doubt peralta and burnes can fit into the rotation so take it for what its worth.

[pacopete4]

Burnes won’t break camp. It doesn’t make sense for the Brewers.

[FVBrewerFan]

Arcia was brought up late in 2016, started the clock in a lost season. Stearns has always said that won't be the determining factor to bring a player up. If the Gallardos and Wilkersons of the world look rather meh, and Burnes is really commanding out there, they will at least discuss bringing him up right away.

 

If they truly want to compete, you need the best. If that means starting his click early, oh well. Again, I'm saying there's a very small chance but it's not impossible.

[Lathund]

Burnes not making the roster (which I'm very certain he won't) isn't just about service time manipulation, whether that be a "7th year" or Super 2. It's also about roster flexibility. Burnes doesn't take up a 40-man slot, he can be stashed in AAA and be ready to be called up whenever needed without any issues whatsoever. Some of the players he'd get that spot over don't have any options remaining. And while some might still stick around, others would be claimed on waivers or refuse the assignment if they got DFAd or demoted to make room for Burnes. So while you can call up Burnes to replace a guy who's not playing well, or gets injures, you might not be able to do the reverse if Burnes isn't ready for the majors.

[JohnBriggs12]

Their top 3 starters going into the season were a combined 42-23 last year with a 3.58 ERA.

 

Among the guys in serious contention for the other two spots are:

 

The 61st overall prospect per BA who posted a 3.28 ERA in his first 6 major league starts before stumbling in his last 2

 

A lefty who made 14 starts for the Brewers (mostly in a playoff chase). The Brewers won 9 of those 14, including 5 of the last 6

 

A guy who's in the top 10 Brewer all time list in virtually every pitching category.

 

A guy who is one season removed from pitching well enough to be the opening day starter in 2017.

 

Behind those 4 are other viable options including Wilkerson, Miley, Burnes, etc.

 

I think they can hang in there with that staff until Nelson returns and retain the means to add a quality arm at the deadline or get a boost from Burnes.

[DR28]

Their top 3 starters going into the season were a combined 42-23 last year with a 3.58 ERA.

 

Among the guys in serious contention for the other two spots are:

 

The 61st overall prospect per BA who posted a 3.28 ERA in his first 6 major league starts before stumbling in his last 2

 

A lefty who made 14 starts for the Brewers (mostly in a playoff chase). The Brewers won 9 of those 14, including 5 of the last 6

 

A guy who's in the top 10 Brewer all time list in virtually every pitching category.

 

A guy who is one season removed from pitching well enough to be the opening day starter in 2017.

 

Behind those 4 are other viable options including Wilkerson, Miley, Burnes, etc.

 

I think they can hang in there with that staff until Nelson returns and retain the means to add a quality arm at the deadline or get a boost from Burnes.

 

I'm good with Woodruff and Suter battling for the 5th spot, AFTER we sign Cobb.

 

Gallardo has been garbage the last 2 years.

 

There's a reason why Guerra made his MLB debut at 30.

 

Anderson

Cobb

Davies

Chacin

Woodruff/Suter

 

A MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better rotation.

[Warning Track Power]

 

Bob Nightengale is one baseball writer I respect immensely. Interesting to hear the Brewers would like two not just one SP.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Bob Nightengale is one baseball writer I respect immensely. Interesting to hear the Brewers would like two not just one SP.

 

That is interesting to hear, and the market seems to possibly be breaking the Brewers' way in regards to available pitchers. Signing Arrieta and Cobb I think would still take a huge financial commitment, but I suppose it is possible to structure both deals so that the financial burden would at least be spread out. Something like 2 years/$45 million for Arrieta and maybe 4 years/$55 million for Cobb, with Cobb's deal more backloaded?

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

 

Bob Nightengale is one baseball writer I respect immensely. Interesting to hear the Brewers would like two not just one SP.

Nightengale seems like a hack to me, but hopefully he's right on this.

[wallus]

I would like to sign one pitcher (Cobb) before I worry about signing two. Unless we have another crazy Yelich/Cain day which was fun.

[DR28]

Guys.... Just may be HH is right about this week with Cobb joining our rotation.... We shall find out.

[Jaylyn]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/poll-most-pressing-need-for-free-agent-starter.html

 

Really?? Gallardo and Miley both in the rotation? Words escape me!

[reillymcshane]

Guys.... Just may be HH is right about this week with Cobb joining our rotation.... We shall find out.

I think it's just common sense that these guys will sign sooner than later. They'll want to get into camp and be ready for the opening of the season.

 

Arrieta seems to be holding things up at this point - but even with Boros as an agent - he'll eventually want to get signed.

[homer]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/poll-most-pressing-need-for-free-agent-starter.html

 

Really?? Gallardo and Miley both in the rotation? Words escape me!

 

That is a poorly researched sentence on their part.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Arrieta seems to be holding things up at this point - but even with Boras as an agent - he'll eventually want to get signed.

 

They also said Darvish was holding things up, and he signed more than 2 weeks ago. No, the only thing holding up Cobb and Lynn from being signed are Cobb and Lynn. I have no doubt they both have good offers on the table. I'm sure now they are waiting for a pitcher to get hurt or underperform, hoping for a Godfather offer.

[brewerhuman]

Guys.... Just may be HH is right about this week with Cobb joining our rotation.... We shall find out.

I think it's just common sense that these guys will sign sooner than later. They'll want to get into camp and be ready for the opening of the season.

 

Arrieta seems to be holding things up at this point - but even with Boros as an agent - he'll eventually want to get signed.

 

Is there an average time that it takes for a pitcher to get ready for the start of the season? I'm assuming no or that it may not matter with how stiff negotiations have been, but it's worth an ask.

[tmwiese55]

It's logical and safe to assume they're doing about the same throwing program on their own as they would be in camp. Just would be missing the one or two innings of game action they'd have

[TJseven7]

Only way I see 2 is if they got a big trade in place for Davies. Anderson nelson cobb/lynn woodruff burnes and Chacin would be ready by 2019.

 

Arrieta would be the ace to make nelson coming back a late season add

Cobb would be the davies replacement. Davies would be expendable immediately.

Anderson Chacin/woodruff round out the other 3 to 2 later on. (Nelson)

 

Mark would really have to want to push payroll these next 1-2 years to sign arrieta.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Only way I see 2 is if they got a big trade in place for Davies. Anderson nelson cobb/lynn woodruff burnes and Chacin would be ready by 2019.

 

Arrieta would be the ace to make nelson coming back a late season add

Cobb would be the davies replacement. Davies would be expendable immediately.

 

Why Davies? Signing two FA pitchers I would think makes Burnes and/or Woodruff more available in a trade. I would imagine the team would be more willing to give those guys up in a blockbuster than Davies, who is young and established. I mean, Woodruff's upside is Davies, and Burnes' is close to that as well.