Alex Colome

[splitterpfj]

Tampa is at least listening on Colome, because he’s making 5.3M this year, with two more arbitration years left - they want to cut some more payroll.

 

Is the Brewers’ bullpen good enough for you, or would you pursue this?

[82brewcrew82]

I'd pursue if the starting pitching was fixed first and/or in conjunction with acquiring Colome.

[KeithStone53151]

Tampa is at least listening on Colome, because he’s making 5.3M this year, with two more arbitration years left - they want to cut some more payroll.

 

Is the Brewers’ bullpen good enough for you, or would you pursue this?

I think we should definitely check in on the price tag. I'm absolutely open to Colome. We'd likely nail down a top 5 bullpen adding him. SP should be a higher priority though.

[clancyphile]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

[KeithStone53151]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS/2B Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

 

I don't see Arcia moving in any trade. If you remove Adames and Arcia, it's very lopsided in our favor.

[PDCBalla]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

 

Don't see any way the Brewers part with Arcia. The guy made huge improvements from year one to year two. He is already playing defense at a high level with his bat coming around. Awfully early to give up on a guy.

[pacopete4]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

 

Clancy, I think we get that you don't really want to see Arcia in a Brewers uniform but he isn't going anywhere. Might I suggest coming up with trades that are a bit more realistic from the Brewers front office stand point?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

 

Gah! Stop trying to trade Arcia!!! I don't get why you hate Bickford, either. You include him on every one of these hypothetical trades.

 

If you remove Adames and Arcia, and swap out Archer for Odorizzi, then you are probably close on total value. Trading Woodruff just creates another hole, though.

[Dantae]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

 

Clancy, I think we get that you don't really want to see Arcia in a Brewers uniform but he isn't going anywhere. Might I suggest coming up with trades that are a bit more realistic from the Brewers front office stand point?

 

Seconded. Brewers aren’t giving up Arcia, no more proposals with Orlando in it please

[pacopete4]

I want to add in that I love reading Clancy's proposals and insight to players because he really is an outside the box thinker. It's refreshing. But sometimes we can get stuck on giving away or obtaining certain players.

[wallus]

Tampa is at least listening on Colome, because he’s making 5.3M this year, with two more arbitration years left - they want to cut some more payroll.

 

Is the Brewers’ bullpen good enough for you, or would you pursue this?

 

I think he would be a great 8th inning guy and he would have a couple more years of control. I would definitely want to add him.

[DR28]

I would love to acquire Odorizzi and Colome...

 

Start the talks with Santana and Woodruff.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

It’d be nice to have an arm like Colome. As much as I like Knebel, he may come down to earth a bit this year. Would be nice to have some options. Don’t wanna have it linger like the Feliz experiment.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I would love to acquire Odorizzi and Colome...

 

Start the talks with Santana and Woodruff.

 

Ugh. I hate the idea of giving up ML-level prospects at positions of need. I'd much rather give up players who are further away, but may have high upsides. Peralta, Diplan and Lemons fit that bill better.

[pacopete4]

I would love to acquire Odorizzi and Colome...

 

Start the talks with Santana and Woodruff.

 

Ugh. I hate the idea of giving up ML-level prospects at positions of need. I'd much rather give up players who are further away, but may have high upsides. Peralta, Diplan and Lemons fit that bill better.

 

I would rather we hold onto Woodruff and they can keep Odorizzi (not impressed with him) and we can ship Santana for Colome +. Even that, I'm not a huge fan of doing but he would be amazing to have in the pen.

[DR28]

I would love to acquire Odorizzi and Colome...

 

Start the talks with Santana and Woodruff.

 

Ugh. I hate the idea of giving up ML-level prospects at positions of need. I'd much rather give up players who are further away, but may have high upsides. Peralta, Diplan and Lemons fit that bill better.

 

Only reason I included Woodruff, is because the belief we'll add Cobb before trading for another SP.

[Lathund]

I don't see the bullpen as a huge need, at least not one we should prioritize while we still have bigger needs. Nor one where we should be giving up players in positions of need to strengthen. The Brewers farm system might not have any future Kershaws or Scherzers (Though you never know, which is the difficulty with pitching prospects), but there are a lot of guys with #3-#4-#5 profiles. Some of them should make it as starters of varying quality, but if nothing else there are a lot of potentially good relievers there, there's a real pipeline of pitching depth coming through.

 

Knebel and Hader is a great two-headed monster. Have 1-2 good veterans in there along with the #6 starter/swingman. But then make room for the prospects.

[TJseven7]

How about:

 

Brewers get:

RHP Chris Archer

RHP Alex Colome

SS Willy Adames

OF/1B Joe McCarthy

LHP Travis Ott

 

Rays get:

OF Domingo Santana

SS Orlando Arcia

RHP Brandon Woodruff

RHP Phil Bickford

 

Conclusion 1: you dont like arcia and love adames. Got it.

Question 1: if archer costs burnes santana peralta phillips and Burnes is rated over woodruff and phillips over bickford: How do 2 downgraded prospects and arcia get colome adames mccarthy and Ott?

 

Arcia not moving aside, TB doesn't do this.

 

To answer the question. Knebel Colome Hader... drool. But I think trading for relievers is a prospect drain and I'd rather take my chances at the deadline with a scratch and dent swarzak type add for a middling prodpect than aiming for a big fish. Basically... collect arms and if they can't start get them into the pen and turn an burn for farm building. Will Smith and Thornburg trades out should be our MO. Swarzaks should be our buy targets. Buy at something is better than nothing prices, sell controlled arms high. Hopefully williams barnes and houser can continue that train.

[SRB]

They are going to price Colome like he is an elite closer but he simply isn't. He was fine but not outstanding last season performance wise, and his peripherals were much worse.

 

I would be more intrigued if the front office thinks they could stretch him back out into being a SP.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Ssounds like TB is lala land on the trade fronts. Fact is they need to cut payroll. Everybody knows it.

[JosephC]

If I were Stearns I'd be giving the Rays a call about Colome today. Was thinking that Colome would be a definite hold for the Rays but who knows after the events of this weekend? Colome will make 5.3 million dollars in his first year of arbitration and that price tag only goes up the next couple of years. Only has 2 seasons in the bullpen and when checking out the peripherals he was better in 2016 than he was in 2017. Average WAR between Baseball Reference in Fangraphs was 1.7 in 2016 and 0.95 in 2017. So he's been about a 1.3 WAR player as a reliever so far and the projection services has put him at what I think is a pretty ridiculous 0.7 WAR in 2018. The Rays might be looking to move him now for fear that there may be further regression. I'd project him at 1.2 WAR over the next three seasons, which would put his value at something like 35 million but with that really high arbitration figure in year one he's likely to earn about 21.4 million over those seasons so his surplus value is probably in the area of 13.6 million.

 

I'd propose something like:

 

Milwaukee gets:

RHP-Alex Colome

 

Rays get:

OF-Keon Broxton

1B-Jake Gatewood

 

If the Rays had no interst in Broxton then I would go:

 

Brewers get:

RHP-Alex Colome

 

Rays get:

RHP-Marcos Diplan

1B-Jake Gatewood

RHP-Zack Brown

[superfly]

If I were Stearns I'd be giving the Rays a call about Colome today. Was thinking that Colome would be a definite hold for the Rays but who knows after the events of this weekend? Colome will make 5.3 million dollars in his first year of arbitration and that price tag only goes up the next couple of years. Only has 2 seasons in the bullpen and when checking out the peripherals he was better in 2016 than he was in 2017. Average WAR between Baseball Reference in Fangraphs was 1.7 in 2016 and 0.95 in 2017. So he's been about a 1.3 WAR player as a reliever so far and the projection services has put him at what I think is a pretty ridiculous 0.7 WAR in 2018. The Rays might be looking to move him now for fear that there may be further regression. I'd project him at 1.2 WAR over the next three seasons, which would put his value at something like 35 million but with that really high arbitration figure in year one he's likely to earn about 21.4 million over those seasons so his surplus value is probably in the area of 13.6 million.

 

I'd propose something like:

 

Milwaukee gets:

RHP-Alex Colome

 

Rays get:

OF-Keon Broxton

1B-Jake Gatewood

 

If the Rays had no interst in Broxton then I would go:

 

Brewers get:

RHP-Alex Colome

 

Rays get:

RHP-Marcos Diplan

1B-Jake Gatewood

RHP-Zack Brown

 

Gatewood might even be a big give considering what they asked for Odorizzi.

[MadThinker88]

If I were Stearns I'd be giving the Rays a call about Colome today. Was thinking that Colome would be a definite hold for the Rays but who knows after the events of this weekend? Colome will make 5.3 million dollars in his first year of arbitration and that price tag only goes up the next couple of years. Only has 2 seasons in the bullpen and when checking out the peripherals he was better in 2016 than he was in 2017. Average WAR between Baseball Reference in Fangraphs was 1.7 in 2016 and 0.95 in 2017. So he's been about a 1.3 WAR player as a reliever so far and the projection services has put him at what I think is a pretty ridiculous 0.7 WAR in 2018. The Rays might be looking to move him now for fear that there may be further regression. I'd project him at 1.2 WAR over the next three seasons, which would put his value at something like 35 million but with that really high arbitration figure in year one he's likely to earn about 21.4 million over those seasons so his surplus value is probably in the area of 13.6 million.

 

I'd propose something like:

 

Milwaukee gets:

RHP-Alex Colome

 

Rays get:

OF-Keon Broxton

1B-Jake Gatewood

 

If the Rays had no interst in Broxton then I would go:

 

Brewers get:

RHP-Alex Colome

 

Rays get:

RHP-Marcos Diplan

1B-Jake Gatewood

RHP-Zack Brown

 

You did a fine job explaining why the Rays might want to move Colome & why Colome would be a good get by the Brewers. But you left out an important piece of the equation - what would Rays be looking for in return?

 

Why would the Rays have an interest in Jake Gatewood? They just acquired CJ Cron (1B) from the Angels and have Jake Bauers (1B/ corner OF) ready to play in the majors.

 

If Gatewood is not of interest to them, your proposals fall flat.

[JosephC]

Cron isn't very good and after another arbitration raise the Rays could very well be looking to move on from him. DH is wide open now that Dickerson is gone. Last I heard the Rays were committed to Bauers in the outfield and there have been at least one report that seems to favor him as an outfielder. https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/5/13/15632974/pressure-on-rays-prospect-jake-bauers

[MadThinker88]

Cron isn't very good and after another arbitration raise the Rays could very well be looking to move on from him. DH is wide open now that Dickerson is gone. Last I heard the Rays were committed to Bauers in the outfield and there have been at least one report that seems to favor him as an outfielder. https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/5/13/15632974/pressure-on-rays-prospect-jake-bauers

 

I never heard of that author before. So let's look at some other sources.

 

From the 2017 MiLB Analyst book:

.. May not have ideal power for 1B but moves well around bag with quick hands. Can also play RF.

 

From John Sickels 2017 report:

.. superior defensive first baseman now playing outfield to make lineup fit easier; can handle either corner based on early results

 

From the 2018 BA Prospect Handbok:

“Bauers has the makings of a younger version of Joey Votto.” Also says, “Scouts believe that he will generate plenty of extra-base hits to contribute as a first baseman in the big leagues.” As well as, “Despite seeing action as a corner as a outfielder, he’s much more effective at first base, where he displays quick feet, soft hands and a solid overall feel for the position. Much like Willy Adames at shortstop, Bauers is the Rays’ long-term answer at first base.”

 

As more sources for 2018 are published (Sickels, etc) it will be interesting to note if they see Bauers as future 1B or not.

 

A LOT of this comes down to how the Rays see their own needs. IF they feel 1B is covered, they would not target or want Jake Gatewood. They would look for talent in other places where they have a need. This is not a slight to Jake Gatewood. Just a recognition that the Rays will be using their few remaining pieces of higher value to bring back the talent they believe they need..

 

Colome would be one of the better RP out on the market if the Rays openly shopped him, especially if they waited for the trade deadline.