Trade for “Lesser Pitcher” (Jharel Cotton / Jake Odorizzi)

[jonescm128]

HH on Twitter says we have discussed Broxton for Cotton. I would do that

 

juuussssstttt beat me to it

[A Swing and A Drive]

I think we are back to overvaluing Brandon Woodruff. Brewers would be smart to cash him in as a trade chip while his perceived prospect value is still high.

 

This reminds me of when Jorge Lopez's prospect stock at a high point during the 2015-2016 offseason.

[wallus]

HH on Twitter says we have discussed Broxton for Cotton. I would do that

 

That is an easy yes if it is a 1 for 1 deal.

[jonescm128]

Twitter HH19 is saying there has been talk of Broxton for Cotton.

 

Wasn't great last year but it was his first extended look in the bigs. Dominated in the minors so I would be 100% on board with sending Broxton for a young controllable guy with upside.

[Point Beer Is Best]

HH on Twitter says we have discussed Broxton for Cotton. I would do that

 

Ken Rosenthal mentioned Cotton as a target for the Brewers just a couple of days ago, but the speculation was that it would cost Santana. Broxton seems way too low of an offer for Cotton.

[brewcrewdue80]

I think we are back to overvaluing Brandon Woodruff. Brewers would be smart to cash him in as a trade chip while his perceived prospect value is still high.

 

This reminds me of when Jorge Lopez's prospect stock at a high point during the 2015-2016 offseason.

 

No, Lopez has always had questions to his control. It's always been projected as below average. Woodruff has been projected as above average since 2016.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

 

Interesting the watch Pedro break down Cotton. Mid 90’s fastball. Devastating changeup. If it’s for Broxton please pull the trigger.

[brewcrewdue80]

HH on Twitter says we have discussed Broxton for Cotton. I would do that

 

Ken Rosenthal mentioned Cotton as a target for the Brewers just a couple of days ago, but the speculation was that it would cost Santana. Broxton seems way too low of an offer for Cotton.

 

Right? Maybe you are including Jesus Aguilar as a Platoon 1b bat solving the Braun dilemma.

[Madhawk23]

Twitter HH19 is saying there has been talk of Broxton for Cotton.

 

Wasn't great last year but it was his first extended look in the bigs. Dominated in the minors so I would be 100% on board with sending Broxton for a young controllable guy with upside.

 

Looking at his minor league stats, I guess I wouldn't say that he "dominated" down there. Solid numbers, but certainly not Corbin Burnes 2017 type domination.

 

If this deal would go down - what would we be looking to do with Cotton? Does he take one of the rotation spots? If so, that's certainly not an "all-in" type of move by the Brewers. Yes, there may be some upside with him, but we are talking about a guy who really struggled in his first full year of MLB action last year.

[Outlander]

If it was a lesser deal they could certainly option him and use him as depth. Not sure a trip to Colorado would be the best approach however.

[brewcrewdue80]

Twitter HH19 is saying there has been talk of Broxton for Cotton.

 

Wasn't great last year but it was his first extended look in the bigs. Dominated in the minors so I would be 100% on board with sending Broxton for a young controllable guy with upside.

 

Looking at his minor league stats, I guess I wouldn't say that he "dominated" down there. Solid numbers, but certainly not Corbin Burnes 2017 type domination.

 

If this deal would go down - what would we be looking to do with Cotton? Does he take one of the rotation spots? If so, that's certainly not an "all-in" type of move by the Brewers. Yes, there may be some upside with him, but we are talking about a guy who really struggled in his first full year of MLB action last year.

 

Wow has he turned bad at allowing HRs these 2 HR seasons MLB has had of late. Whatever this ball change they had, he has taken a nosedive at keeping the ball in the park. 2.0/9 pitching in Oakland? I can see why Broxton value is there for him. Imagine Cotton has options, and he's your band-aid til Nelson returns or the trade deadline as he most likely not performing worthy enough to maintain a spot in rotation through the year.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

I think there is a cloud on this “all in” mentality. No one from the brewers have said such a thing. They simply saw an opportunity with Cain and Yelich that there value/price was too good to pass up. According to there analysis. So just because we fans want more and more aggressive moves, doing so maybe rash and actually hurt our organization. Not saying moves won’t be made, but the term “all in” just makes me cringe.

[wallus]

 

Interesting the watch Pedro break down Cotton. Mid 90’s fastball. Devastating changeup. If it’s for Broxton please pull the trigger.

 

I wonder how much they are asking Vogt about him since he caught him in Oakland.

[3and2Fastball]

Jharel Cotton entering his age 26 season with a career 4.95 ERA & 1.326 WHIP in MLB, and his MiLB stats aren't much better... I seriously doubt he'll cost us Santana!

 

I'd rather roll with Woodruff, and I'd be careful dealing with Billy Beane, he's fleeced us before

[soulrefreshing]

I think a deal around Cotton for Broxton would be highly beneficial for both players and teams. Having our pitching coaches work with Cotton to me has major upside certainly for an expendable player like Broxton. Keon is an upside play for Oakland as well, as they only really have Piscotty as a full time OF. Obviously they have Khris Davis but with his defense, he might be better off as a DH going forward.

[pacopete4]

Jharel Cotton entering his age 26 season with a career 4.95 ERA & 1.326 WHIP in MLB, and his MiLB stats aren't much better... I seriously doubt he'll cost us Santana!

 

I'd rather roll with Woodruff, and I'd be careful dealing with Billy Beane, he's fleeced us before

 

You don't think a guy that has thrown 468.1 innings in the minors and has a stat line of:

 

ERA: 3.65

WHIP: 1.10

Avg: .222

K's: 527

K/9: 10.13

BB/9: 2.58

 

is good?

[jonescm128]

Jharel Cotton entering his age 26 season with a career 4.95 ERA & 1.326 WHIP in MLB, and his MiLB stats aren't much better... I seriously doubt he'll cost us Santana!

 

I'd rather roll with Woodruff, and I'd be careful dealing with Billy Beane, he's fleeced us before

 

You don't think a guy that has thrown 468.1 innings in the minors and has a stat line of:

 

ERA: 3.65

WHIP: 1.10

Avg: .222

K's: 527

K/9: 10.13

BB/9: 2.58

 

is good?

 

It's also important to note that development isn't linear and it takes some guys longer to figure it out. Chase Anderson had a breakout season at age 29. One thing that is extremely encouraging are his strikeout numbers. Those tend to translate pretty well across all levels. Maybe not to the affect of 10.13 K/9 but its a great starting point.

 

Plus that change-up is DIRTY and Pedro loves him. Pretty good guy to have on your side

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The Rays just signed Romo so they need to make a corresponding roster move to create space on the 40 man...

 

And here it is: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/rays-micah-johnson-clears-waivers-outrighted.html

 

Blah! I guess every team has a Micah Johnson waiting around to be DFA'd. For the Brewers, it's Oliver Drake.

[monty57]

I think there is a cloud on this “all in” mentality. No one from the brewers have said such a thing. They simply saw an opportunity with Cain and Yelich that there value/price was too good to pass up. According to there analysis. So just because we fans want more and more aggressive moves, doing so maybe rash and actually hurt our organization. Not saying moves won’t be made, but the term “all in” just makes me cringe.

 

Well said.

 

I get worried about "all in" as well, but until he proves different, I believe that Stearns will always have a long-term outlook for the team. A move like Broxton-for-Cotton makes a lot of sense for the Brewers. Broxton is better than a 5th OF, and that's the best he'd be for the Brewers. Meanwhile, Cotton is a high-upside starter whose stock is probably down after a lackluster rookie season.

 

With Nelson set to return mid-season and a bunch of other young arms getting near MLB ready, I'd be fine if the Brewers decided to start the season with Cotton in the #5 slot. Even if they weren't trading for him to give him a rotation spot right away, he still makes sense as a young pitcher with a lot of potential who could really help them down the road.

 

This would be the type of trade that both teams could "win" on, or either team could "lose" on, but for the Brewers I'd like to see another high-upside, MLB ready arm with a lot of team control in the system.

[mlloyd10]

Random Question - Say the Brewers have a trade offer to the Rays for Odorizzi...Did they have to wait until the arbitration cases are done?

[Warning Track Power]

Random Question - Say the Brewers have a trade offer to the Rays for Odorizzi...Did they have to wait until the arbitration cases are done?

Which was decided today per Heyman. Odorizzi won.

 

Good question and could be good news for teams wanting him given the Rays are supposedly trying to clear payroll.

[82brewcrew82]

I don't think they are really in on anyone bit or small. They are going into spring training telling guys they have a shot at starting and then what? They sing a different guy and tick everyone off? What you see is what you are going to get.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don't think they are really in on anyone bit or small. They are going into spring training telling guys they have a shot at starting and then what? They sing a different guy and tick everyone off? What you see is what you are going to get.

 

That's baseball, and these guys are professionals that get that. I doubt Stearns is worried about what Gallardo or Miley thinks if they sign Cobb.

[82brewcrew82]

I don't think they are really in on anyone bit or small. They are going into spring training telling guys they have a shot at starting and then what? They sing a different guy and tick everyone off? What you see is what you are going to get.

 

That's baseball, and these guys are professionals that get that. I doubt Stearns is worried about what Gallardo or Miley thinks if they sign Cobb.

That'd be a pretty poopy way to go about your business. You need filler FA's to sign for depth and none will if you make it a standard practice to lie to them about their opportunities. I highly doubt that doesn't factor in at some level. I'd put the chances of a significant pitching acquisition at about 40% right now.

[monty57]

I don't think they are really in on anyone bit or small. They are going into spring training telling guys they have a shot at starting and then what? They sing a different guy and tick everyone off? What you see is what you are going to get.

 

That's baseball, and these guys are professionals that get that. I doubt Stearns is worried about what Gallardo or Miley thinks if they sign Cobb.

 

One thing Stearns has shown as GM is that he isn't afraid to sign and release guys, so if an opportunity arises to add someone he thinks is better than what he's got, he's going to sign him.

 

Whenever a team makes a roster move, someone gets bumped. Players know this, and that's incentive for anyone not on a guaranteed contract to do everything they can to impress. Gallardo and Miley signed knowing they were in a competition for a roster spot. If they play well in spring training they will give themselves a chance to make a roster, whether that's the Brewers or another team.

 

The only ones with any kind of a gripe would be the prospects, but history has shown that teams don't make decisions based on the feelings of their minor leaguers.