FA Pitchers

[82brewcrew82]

Until the 3 FA pitchers sign, it really isn't worth the energy to get worked up over starting guys like Miley or Yo.

 

The Brewers will be adding to their rotation. They didn't give up 5 prospects and $80 million so they could be in the hunt for the 5th WC.

You've been saying this for a really long time now.

[Boomer5]

Until the 3 FA pitchers sign, it really isn't worth the energy to get worked up over starting guys like Miley or Yo.

 

The Brewers will be adding to their rotation. They didn't give up 5 prospects and $80 million so they could be in the hunt for the 5th WC.

You've been saying this for a really long time now.

 

True. But they haven't signed yet so unless you think all three will retire from the game, let's be patient. This is a unique offseason so we as fans have to alter our timelines.

[DR28]

Look at Miley's contract... He was definitely signed to be in the rotation.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You don't know that, they did it last year. I'm not arguing the value of the signing or the ease with which he can be discarded. I'm questioning him being a primary option for the rotation. I reject the notion that he climbed his way over other players. I think they singed him with the intention of starting him. I'm not anti-Miley, I just wish he was the seventh or eighth option, not the fourth or fifth.

 

You are making several assumptions there. All seemingly to fit your justification for being mad that the team for putting Miley in the rotation ... a guy signed to a minor league deal who would need to jump over several players on major league contracts to do so.

 

It's March 5, but it seems like you've already got your mind made up that you're going to hate this team.

My assumption was in response to your assumption that he had to climb over players. What exactly is it that leads you to think I'm mad (or are you making an assumption). You have a long history of telling me what my feelings/emotions are and I really wish you'd stop acting as though you know me. I don't hate this team in the least. I am pointing out a potentially serious weakness with this team. When you start resorting to telling me how I feel about this team tells me I hit a nerve and I'm probably not all that far off. Who are all the major league contract guys? Gallardo but the rest of that group is minor league and team controlled players. He isn't jumping anyone.

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Look at Miley's contract... He was definitely signed to be in the rotation.

 

Then they would have signed him to a ML deal. They have several on the 40-man they could have easily dumped to do it.

[82brewcrew82]

Look at Miley's contract... He was definitely signed to be in the rotation.

 

Then they would have signed him to a ML deal. They have several on the 40-man they could have easily dumped to do it.

Why would they do that if they didn't need to?

[brewmann04]

Miley Yo or Woodruff and Sutter are the guys to replace Jimmy

[82brewcrew82]

Miley Yo or Woodruff and Sutter are the guys to replace Jimmy

I like Suter as the long/swing man in the pen. Given those choices I'd go Woodruff and Miley. My guess is Guerra and Miley.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Until the 3 FA pitchers sign, it really isn't worth the energy to get worked up over starting guys like Miley or Yo.

 

The Brewers will be adding to their rotation. They didn't give up 5 prospects and $80 million so they could be in the hunt for the 5th WC.

You've been saying this for a really long time now.

 

True. But they haven't signed yet so unless you think all three will retire from the game, let's be patient. This is a unique offseason so we as fans have to alter our timelines.

 

You nailed it. These guys gotta go somewhere eventually.

 

Opening Day can't come soon enough, though.

[DR28]

Miley Yo or Woodruff and Sutter are the guys to replace Jimmy

I like Suter as the long/swing man in the pen. Given those choices I'd go Woodruff and Miley. My guess is Guerra and Miley.

 

No Guerra please... Give me Woodruff and Miley finishing the rotation if we're not signing Cobb.

 

There's a reason why Junior didnt make his MLB debut until 30... And he was garbage when he came back last year.

[82brewcrew82]

Miley Yo or Woodruff and Sutter are the guys to replace Jimmy

I like Suter as the long/swing man in the pen. Given those choices I'd go Woodruff and Miley. My guess is Guerra and Miley.

 

No Guerra please... Give me Woodruff and Miley finishing the rotation if we're not signing Cobb.

 

There's a reason why Junior didnt make his MLB debut until 30... And he was garbage when he came back last year.

Just a feeling I get. I really don't have anything to back it up but it just feels like Guerra and Miley are they guys they want to step up and take those spots.

[DR28]

Just a feeling I get. I really don't have anything to back it up but it just feels like Guerra and Miley are they guys they want to step up and take those spots.

 

No, I hear ya... I would MUCH rather go with the upside in Woodruff... He pitched very, very well in his first 5 starts.

 

Anderson

Davies

Chacin

Woodruff

Miley

 

For now, unless we sign Cobb or Lynn.

[pacopete4]

I know Guerra had a disappointing season last year but I don't know why he can't come back to be a very serviceable pitcher for us. Not every pitcher takes the same path to the majors, we should all realize that by now. Junior is a great bounce-back candidate and as much as ST stats are meaningless, he's throwing the ball well after doing well in Winter Ball. If he can resemble anything like he was in 2016, he would be a huge bump to this rotation. And this very well what Stearns could be thinking and why we haven't gone crazy on one of the free agents out there right now.

[82brewcrew82]

I know Guerra had a disappointing season last year but I don't know why he can't come back to be a very serviceable pitcher for us. Not every pitcher takes the same path to the majors, we should all realize that by now. Junior is a great bounce-back candidate and as much as ST stats are meaningless, he's throwing the ball well after doing well in Winter Ball. If he can resemble anything like he was in 2016, he would be a huge bump to this rotation. And this very well what Stearns could be thinking and why we haven't gone crazy on one of the free agents out there right now.

In that case, we still need to add a pitcher because Chacin hasn't been very good.

[A Swing and A Drive]

A couple of decent Spring Training starts should not earn Wade Miley anything.

 

If Wade Miley throws one frigging MLB pitch for the Brewers this year, I have a feeling this season is going to turn into a nightmare pretty quickly.

[TJseven7]

The whole point of the post wasn't to see who you would take over Miley. I don't really care to be honest with you because we all have different opinions of what a #4 and #5 starter really is in this league. Too messy to even dive into. It was to show that most rotation have turds in it and they can still win. There are just so many factors involved in winning. Heck, no one saw us have a top 5-10 starting staff last season and hey, look what occurred. This whole the "sky is falling" bit is just not the case for our situation at all.

This notion that someone thinks the sky is falling is a strawman if your directing it to me. I don't believe the sky is falling and I've said all along they are a fringe playoff team. Whether Miley starts out in the rotation or not doesn't change that for me. I do think there is pitching available that would take them from fringe to favorite and wouldn't be all upset if that meant Miley started in the minors. The whole "hey, we done good with garbage last year so it should be good this year" theory does nothing for me, especially when the "turds" on the other team may be significantly better than some of our top three. We don't have Nelson so bringing up last year is a bit apples and oranges. He made that rotation work.

 

They did good with garbage last year theory isnt even correct. We actualky did dreadfully with garbage but anderson nelson davies suter carried the staff for a large part of the season. Garza started off decent as well. Knebel Hader swarzak hughes savlaged a dreadful pen.

 

The team can take a massive jump if they simply cut the garbage... chacin would have been a big step if Nelson was healthy and no one regressed, but he's not and they could. If you can't run an ace or 2 you need 5 good options. Even if miley is good miley he's still not good. Big innings 4.3 era merely limits damage. That won't be enough to make the staff solid. It coukd be as good as last year but you are also at the point where smoke and mirrors has to work well to get any improvement from the staff.

 

Enough is one thing. Not buying when you can afford to in depressed market is a missed chance. Adding cobb even if he's the guy he was last year would make a huge impact on this staff, even if you want to believe in woodruff miley guerra yo suter wilkerson. Cobb all but ensures this staff era drops from the 4.1 it was last year and a very solid amount as well. The pens better. The offense should live up to their numbers better than last year with a top of the order setting the table.

 

Cobb is an upgrade. He could be a 1 and a huge upgrade. Its a depressed market. Upside, good floor, not old old, pitch profile that should age well, playoff rotation piece. A 4th rounder not a bundle of prospects.

 

This is an opportunity you don't get often. I can see you saying Chacin Miley horse a piece. Cobb's flat better.

[pacopete4]

I know Guerra had a disappointing season last year but I don't know why he can't come back to be a very serviceable pitcher for us. Not every pitcher takes the same path to the majors, we should all realize that by now. Junior is a great bounce-back candidate and as much as ST stats are meaningless, he's throwing the ball well after doing well in Winter Ball. If he can resemble anything like he was in 2016, he would be a huge bump to this rotation. And this very well what Stearns could be thinking and why we haven't gone crazy on one of the free agents out there right now.

In that case, we still need to add a pitcher because Chacin hasn't been very good.

[82brewcrew82]

I know Guerra had a disappointing season last year but I don't know why he can't come back to be a very serviceable pitcher for us. Not every pitcher takes the same path to the majors, we should all realize that by now. Junior is a great bounce-back candidate and as much as ST stats are meaningless, he's throwing the ball well after doing well in Winter Ball. If he can resemble anything like he was in 2016, he would be a huge bump to this rotation. And this very well what Stearns could be thinking and why we haven't gone crazy on one of the free agents out there right now.

In that case, we still need to add a pitcher because Chacin hasn't been very good.

Are you saying Chacin has had a good spring?

[SandyTolan]

It's sad to me that people are talking themselves into Gallardo and Miley being in a rotation of a team seriously trying to make the playoffs.

 

Is that really what they're doing, though? IMHO Stearns is posturing with the "we like our group" stuff. Maybe they do, but I would definitely not assume that the Brewers aren't going to add a starter from the Group of 3 within the next couple of weeks. I'd still be surprised if they don't. Stearns is trying to build leverage, IMO.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It's sad to me that people are talking themselves into Gallardo and Miley being in a rotation of a team seriously trying to make the playoffs.

 

Is that really what they're doing, though? IMHO Stearns is posturing with the "we like our group" stuff. Maybe they do, but I would definitely not assume that the Brewers aren't going to add a starter from the Group of 3 within the next couple of weeks. I'd still be surprised if they don't. Stearns is trying to build leverage, IMO.

 

I hope you're right, but each passing day breeds a little more doubt in my mind. I think Stearns is probably being completely truthful when he says he likes the current group, but when he says that, he's not really answering the question. It's a solid GM non-answer, though. Ted Thompson made a career out of those LOL.

[FVBrewerFan]

It's sad to me that people are talking themselves into Gallardo and Miley being in a rotation of a team seriously trying to make the playoffs.

 

Is that really what they're doing, though? IMHO Stearns is posturing with the "we like our group" stuff. Maybe they do, but I would definitely not assume that the Brewers aren't going to add a starter from the Group of 3 within the next couple of weeks. I'd still be surprised if they don't. Stearns is trying to build leverage, IMO.

 

I agreed with you up to the point of saying "trying to build leverage." There is no leverage talking about Yo and Miley in the rotation. Other teams know it, the agents know it, we know it.

 

With that said, yea, it's just GM speak. "We like our guys." Sometimes we all fall prey to what Stearns says, when 90% of the time it's just GM speak. There is a chance nothing happens, but I think it's pretty obvious he would like to sign and/or trade for at least one more arm.

[TJseven7]

Well in comparison to what last years group was, this group looks a bit better. Just due to depth and the fact that last years group had some serious garbage. But its also a group thats on the razors edge of being just as bad if the top 3 cant carry the era. Anderson drops into the 3.5 range or davies chacin don't carry 360 ip in the 4.0 range and this gets dicey quick.

 

Expecting woodruff miley guerra suter yo wilkerson to be able to avoid sinking the staff is one thing. Expecting them to make a positive impact on the staffs era is quite another.

[wallus]

Stearns built this roster to compete based on having average or above average players in as many positions as possible. Yes, some playoff teams got away with having poor 4th and 5th starters but they also have studs at the top of the rotation. The Brewers need to have 5 starting pitchers that are average or above average. I do not see any reason to believe that Miley and Gallardo fit in that. I would much rather give those two spots to Suter, Woodruff or Guerra.

[pacopete4]

Stearns built this roster to compete based on having average or above average players in as many positions as possible. Yes, some playoff teams got away with having poor 4th and 5th starters but they also have studs at the top of the rotation. The Brewers need to have 5 starting pitchers that are average or above average. I do not see any reason to believe that Miley and Gallardo fit in that. I would much rather give those two spots to Suter, Woodruff or Guerra.

 

And they might go to those guys either to start the season or after one or both of Gallardo/Miley flame out like a lot are predicting. He's building depth and creating opportunities for cheap production from guys who have done it before. If either of those guys come through, it is a win for the Milwaukee Brewers. They have shown to have a short leash with some of these guys and those two will most likely be on that short leash if they earn the opportunity on this team. I don't think this has to be a one or the other situation.

[superfly]

Gallardo...Miley....leverage? Has anyone even bothered to look at how these two have pitched? Miley hasn't had a sub 4.5 ERA since 2015 and Gallardo was as bad as it gets the past 2 years amongst starting pitching.

 

 

They might amount to something, but talk about laughable to suggest we have any sort of leverage position over agents with this. LOL