FA Pitchers

[Greenleaf1]

Early going still and he might not even make the team but if nothing else Wade Miley is making it easier for us to keep low balling free agent pitchers. Having so many potential alternatives (Miley, Guerra, Gallardo, Suter, Woodruff) is going to help us look like we don't need Arrieta/Cobb/Lynn.

[KeithStone53151]

I don't know how offensive an offer that is at this point to Lance Lynn.

 

Chris Tillman just had to sign a 1 year/$3M (plus incentives) with the Orioles, and I honestly don't think Lynn is THAT much better of a pitcher.

 

Chris Tillman came off an ERA of almost 8 over 93 innings. That's not THAT small of a sample size. You can't even compare the two with that guy coming off that year. Tillman should be thanking his lucky stars he got a deal with a guarantee.

[Warning Track Power]

Im stunned some low payroll team hasn't jumped into a buyers market and put some front loaded 2 year deals out there hoping to sell high on the 2nd year.

This is what I hope the Brewers do here shortly.

[TJseven7]

I just want us to toss 60/4 at cobb. I think that could be low balling by a ton if his split/change comes back.

[TJseven7]

Early going still and he might not even make the team but if nothing else Wade Miley is making it easier for us to keep low balling free agent pitchers. Having so many potential alternatives (Miley, Guerra, Gallardo, Suter, Woodruff) is going to help us look like we don't need Arrieta/Cobb/Lynn.

 

Those options could be an improvement on the 5.4 era posted by non anderson davies nelson suter starters (61 starts 294.2 ip) but don't confuse that with what cobb (even at the 3.6 he was last year) would do for this staff.

[PeaveyFury]

Honestly, if that's what the Twins offered for Lynn, and if they think there's even a chance that he's starting to get desperate, is there anyone here who wouldn't take him if we offered 2/24?

[Warning Track Power]

I am getting nervous that the Brewers believe that Wade Miley is an answer to one of our rotation spots.

[KeithStone53151]

Honestly, if that's what the Twins offered for Lynn, and if they think there's even a chance that he's starting to get desperate, is there anyone here who wouldn't take him if we offered 2/24?

 

I'm pretty sure I'm about as anti-lynn as they come, but I'd probably do 2/24 to provide some depth...unless of course the brass seriously believes in Miley and suter. They seem to, but it could also all be part of their posturing for trades and FA moves.

[TJseven7]

I am getting nervous that the Brewers believe that Wade Miley is an answer to one of our rotation spots.

 

Do you think him and woodruff could combine for 64 starts 320 ip at a 4.7 era?

[Warning Track Power]

I am getting nervous that the Brewers believe that Wade Miley is an answer to one of our rotation spots.

 

Do you think him and woodruff could combine for 64 starts 320 ip at a 4.7 era?

I think Woodruff can give 30ish starts and be similar to 2013 Wily Peralta. 4.37 ERA/4.30 FIP seems about right. 1.41 WHIP seems a bit high as I see Woodruff around 1.30.

 

Miley, Gallardo, etc...I see being 5+ ERA, 1.4+ WHIP types that will have us lamenting the Brewers didn't upgrade by signing Arrieta or Cobb. As of now, I really see the 5th spot in the rotation being so bad that it will inhibit the Brewers ability to reach the playoffs.

[reillymcshane]

Honestly, if that's what the Twins offered for Lynn, and if they think there's even a chance that he's starting to get desperate, is there anyone here who wouldn't take him if we offered 2/24?

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that makes you willing to take the guy. Lynn was the lowest guy on my list of starters, but I'd take the guy at that price.

[TJseven7]

Well if woodruffs a 4.4 the 5th spot can be a 5.0 era and it shouldn't lead to a weaker pitching staff.

 

Cobb would all but ensure a better team era.

[reillymcshane]

If Lynn doesn't get a good deal, he might bet on himself and take a one year contract. A lot of people are leery of him -- his peripherals weren't great and he's a year removed from major surgery. Perhaps he feels that if he can put up similar numbers in 2018 he can re-enter the market from a stronger position.

[Warning Track Power]

Well if woodruffs a 4.4 the 5th spot can be a 5.0 era and it shouldn't lead to a weaker pitching staff.

 

Cobb would all but ensure a better team era.

In my post I said 5+ and I would be more willing to guess the high 5s than the low 5s. Miley in 2016-2017 has a 5.48 ERA, 4.85 FIP and 1.57 WHIP!! Gallardo in 2016-2017 has a 5.57 ERA, 5.30 FIP and 1.54 WHIP!!

 

If Derek Johnson can make either of these guys serviceable to a tune of a 4.5 ERA in 2018, he should be signed to a lifetime contract as pitching coach.

[TJseven7]

I still think we could see suter woodruff and burnes this year and needing 4.7 era from them would allow some leeway.

 

I'd expect better from Miley... something about his absurd walk rate makes me think he coukd crack 5.0 era but even if he starts well I'd expect a garza like fall off.

[JohnBriggs12]

Why leave out Junior Guerra of this discussion? Was 2016 all due to a fluke? Isn't it possible his opening day injury affected him more than we know? Nobody expects Guerra to post a 2.81 ERA over a full season again, but isn't it possible he'll look more like the 2016 version and post an ERA whip combination of 3.80/1.35? As tough a year as he had last year, he wasn't Wily Peralta. His K rate was actually up over 2016. His velocity is reportedly up this spring and he did well in winter ball when he was working on getting his velocity back up primarily.

 

Woodruff had a 3.12 ERA in his first 6 starts, all in a playoff race. He succumbed to the pressure a bit in his last couple but the guy is a tenacious competitor with better than marginal major league stuff. It's possible he got a little arm weary after coming off missing time for the muscle pull. Suter is unique and in baseball, unique is something that can be to his advantage.

 

Whoever starts the season in the 4 and 5 spots will have a very short leash, likely 4 or 5 starts, and if ineffective, will be replaced. Tommy Milone made 3 starts last April. They won one and the bullpen blew another. They didn't stick with him but they didn't finish a game out of the playoffs because Tommy Milone made 3 April starts.

[82brewcrew82]

I am getting nervous that the Brewers believe that Wade Miley is an answer to one of our rotation spots.

I guess I've been here for some time now. In fact, I'm betting two of Guerra/Suter/Miley/Gallardo are in the opening day rotation with Woodruff starting in the minors.

[brewcrewdue80]

If Lynn doesn't get a good deal, he might bet on himself and take a one year contract. A lot of people are leery of him -- his peripherals weren't great and he's a year removed from major surgery. Perhaps he feels that if he can put up similar numbers in 2018 he can re-enter the market from a stronger position.

 

He refused 17mil from StL to test FA. Same as Cobb and Arrieta. Just cant believe they'd sign a 1yr deal after that unless it was equal or more. Which clearly a 2/12 isn't even near that for 1yr.

Any signing team loses a pick. So that too comes in to play. Is 1yr of Lynn worth that draft pick? I think in this market the deals would need to be 3yrs when losing a pick maybe 2 and these guys want 4 or more at too high a price. For them just wait for injuries and your ask will come. Or wait til June draft. How long in to a season do the Luxury tax teams have to wait to where Lynn/Cobb are keeping them below? Something like that.

[JohnBriggs12]

I am getting nervous that the Brewers believe that Wade Miley is an answer to one of our rotation spots.

I guess I've been here for some time now. In fact, I'm betting two of Guerra/Suter/Miley/Gallardo are in the opening day rotation with Woodruff starting in the minors.

 

Miley has a 3.79 ERA in 102 starts in the NL. I'm not saying he's good (he was especially awful in 2017) but veterans do rebound. Look at Rich Hill. His one year in Baltimore he had a 7.80 ERA at age 29. At age 33, as a Cleveland reliever, he had a 6.28 ERA and 1.733 WHIP.

 

Personally I think they'll start the year with Guerra and either Suter or Miley in the rotation with the other going to the pen. I don't expect Gallardo to make the team but stranger things have happened and maybe he'll accept an offer to head to AAA. Woodruff and Wilkerson will be groomed to take over by May if needed. If Burnes performs well, I suspect they'll bring him up in June.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don't really know what more Woodruff has to prove in AAA, though. It's time for him to sink or swim in the major league rotation. He shouldn't be sent down in favor of these retreads.

 

I say that knowing full well that is probably what's going to happen, though. Because Counsell likes his veteran "gamers". Ugh!

[patrickgpe]

I am getting nervous that the Brewers believe that Wade Miley is an answer to one of our rotation spots.

I guess I've been here for some time now. In fact, I'm betting two of Guerra/Suter/Miley/Gallardo are in the opening day rotation with Woodruff starting in the minors.

I think this is nothing more than Stearns playing his cards close to the vest. There are 3 top FA pitchers who need jobs. In their early 30's they are not going to sit out a full season. Why would you scream to everyone that you are going to sign of these pitchers and increase their price. They may end up not signing one of them because the price remains high, but I think the odds are about 50/50 that they do.

[pacopete4]

1. Anderson

2. Davies

3. Chacin

4. Guerra

5. Miley

 

Long: Suter, Gallardo, Jeffress

Mid: Barnes, Logan

Late: Hader, Albers

CL: Knebel

 

Lots of experience there. Not sure what else to say I guess. Could be a nice group if all pitched to their abilities.

[TJseven7]

1. Anderson

2. Davies

3. Chacin

4. Guerra

5. Miley

 

Long: Suter, Gallardo, Jeffress

Mid: Barnes, Logan

Late: Hader, Albers

CL: Knebel

 

Lots of experience there. Not sure what else to say I guess. Could be a nice group if all pitched to their abilities.

 

Pggyback guerra/suter and miley/yo?

 

Guerra Suter I can see. Guerra through 4 was fine last year. Suter through 3 kept them off balance.

 

Miley Yo just seems like 2 guys piggy backed just because.

[wallus]

If we have to go off the roster right now, here is what I have.

 

1. Anderson

2. Davies

3. Chacin

4. Woodruff

5. Suter

 

Pen: Williams, Guerra, Jeffress, Barnes, Logan, Hader, Knebel, Albers

[pacopete4]

1. Anderson

2. Davies

3. Chacin

4. Guerra

5. Miley

 

Long: Suter, Gallardo, Jeffress

Mid: Barnes, Logan

Late: Hader, Albers

CL: Knebel

 

Lots of experience there. Not sure what else to say I guess. Could be a nice group if all pitched to their abilities.

 

Pggyback guerra/suter and miley/yo?

 

Guerra Suter I can see. Guerra through 4 was fine last year. Suter through 3 kept them off balance.

 

Miley Yo just seems like 2 guys piggy backed just because.

 

Kinda what I was thinking. Miley and Gallardo were signed with intentions of giving them a shot to pitch in the MLB again. Piggy backing them might be just the ticket.