Designated Hitter in the National League? (Post #144: Proposed for 2020 Shortened Season)

[SomewhereInTime]

Impress your friends in 10 years.

 

 

What if a team screws up the lineup again or moves their DH to a position (i.e. if backup catcher was DH that day and starter goes down in first inning)? Pretty reasonable chance one of those two things happens within the next ten years.

[wntrtxn21]

Impress your friends in 10 years.

 

 

What if a team screws up the lineup again or moves their DH to a position (i.e. if backup catcher was DH that day and starter goes down in first inning)? Pretty reasonable chance one of those two things happens within the next ten years.

 

I believe the rule is; if the DH moves to a defensive position, the pitcher is inserted into the lineup in the spot of the injured player and then the pitcher has to hit (since the DH can only be used for the pitcher). There is no more DH for that team for the game.

[CheezWizHed]

Impress your friends in 10 years.

 

What have the Angels been doing when Ohtani pitches? Can't imagine they use the DH. So we're going to have a pitcher batting for years yet.

 

the factoid is "traditional bad-hitting" pitcher.

 

Fixed.

[jerichoholicninja]

When the DH takes a defensive position the pitcher is inserted into the spot in the batting order of the player who comes out of the game and the DH is gone for the game. This has been happening somewhat frequently in AL games in late innings the last few years.

 

Don't confuse this with the high school DH rule where the player being DH'd for can only be substituted for the DH. I also think that a couple years ago the high school DH rule was changed so that a player can be his own DH. To put it in MLB terms, Ohtani could be both the starting pitcher and DH so that when he was removed from pitching he could remain the DH.

[SomewhereInTime]

Impress your friends in 10 years.

 

 

What if a team screws up the lineup again or moves their DH to a position (i.e. if backup catcher was DH that day and starter goes down in first inning)? Pretty reasonable chance one of those two things happens within the next ten years.

 

I believe the rule is; if the DH moves to a defensive position, the pitcher is inserted into the lineup in the spot of the injured player and then the pitcher has to hit (since the DH can only be used for the pitcher). There is no more DH for that team for the game.

 

Right, so that would lead to a pitcher hitting again.

[jerichoholicninja]

Impress your friends in 10 years.

 

What have the Angels been doing when Ohtani pitches? Can't imagine they use the DH. So we're going to have a pitcher batting for years yet.

 

Totally disregard Ohtani and the Tweet is still incorrect because of the current DH rules as has been stated in this thread. Also, there will be pitchers that pinch hit every now and then for various reasons. I can guarantee Woodruff will get at least 1 PH appearance this year seeing as he's not any worse of a hitter than what the Brewers typically carry at the end of their bench.

[wntrtxn21]

When the DH takes a defensive position the pitcher is inserted into the spot in the batting order of the player who comes out of the game and the DH is gone for the game. This has been happening somewhat frequently in AL games in late innings the last few years.

 

Don't confuse this with the high school DH rule where the player being DH'd for can only be substituted for the DH. I also think that a couple years ago the high school DH rule was changed so that a player can be his own DH. To put it in MLB terms, Ohtani could be both the starting pitcher and DH so that when he was removed from pitching he could remain the DH.

 

Unless something changed, I don't think the rules allow a player to be listed at two positions to start the game. Since DH is a position, Ohtani would have to be either the pitcher or the DH, not both. If he goes out as the pitcher the new pitcher would have to be substituted for the DH, thus losing the DH for that game if they wanted Ohtani to continue to bat.

[jerichoholicninja]

When the DH takes a defensive position the pitcher is inserted into the spot in the batting order of the player who comes out of the game and the DH is gone for the game. This has been happening somewhat frequently in AL games in late innings the last few years.

 

Don't confuse this with the high school DH rule where the player being DH'd for can only be substituted for the DH. I also think that a couple years ago the high school DH rule was changed so that a player can be his own DH. To put it in MLB terms, Ohtani could be both the starting pitcher and DH so that when he was removed from pitching he could remain the DH.

 

Unless something changed, I don't think the rules allow a player to be listed at two positions to start the game. Since DH is a position, Ohtani would have to be either the pitcher or the DH, not both. If he goes out as the pitcher the new pitcher would have to be substituted for the DH, thus losing the DH for that game if they wanted Ohtani to continue to bat.

 

Yes, in MLB. High School allows it.

 

The change to Rule 3-1-4 now allows the starting designated hitter to also be a starting defensive player. Utilizing this option, the player has two positions: defensive player and designated hitter. The team would begin the game with nine starters -- nine defensive players -- one of whom also assumes the role of the designated hitter.

 

“With the change adding pitch-count restrictions to high school baseball, this will allow pitchers to remain in the game as a hitter while removing them from pitching,” Hopkins said. “Typically, pitchers are stronger hitters as well. However, the intent of the rule is not for it to become strictly a pitcher-designated hitter role. The rule provides additional avenues for other position players as well. The change allows coaches to strategize how to keep players in the game to contribute offensively while allowing another player a chance to participate on defense.”

[CheezWizHed]

I can guarantee Woodruff will get at least 1 PH appearance this year seeing as he's not any worse of a hitter than what the Brewers typically carry at the end of their bench.

 

If he isn't getting regular ABs, I wouldn't want him (or any other highly valued pitcher) anywhere near the plate or base paths.

[Soupbone]

If pitchers shouldn't bat because of fear of injury maybe hitters shouldn't throw for fear of the same.

Let's see: no fielders so if you don't hit it over the fence it is an out.

And actually no one should run the bases either.

So pitchers throw with a cage in front of them so line drives are stopped.

I guess the list is endless.

 

I would change the color but don't know how. Sorry.

[TURBO]

If pitchers shouldn't bat because of fear of injury maybe hitters shouldn't throw for fear of the same.

Let's see: no fielders so if you don't hit it over the fence it is an out.

And actually no one should run the bases either.

So pitchers throw with a cage in front of them so line drives are stopped.

I guess the list is endless.

 

I would change the color but don't know how. Sorry.

 

I think that is a bit unecessary.

 

With our history of pitchers getting hurt on the bases, I totally agree, if we have the DH, I never want to see a starting pitcher hit again in a Brewers uniform.

 

That includes Woodruff.

[sveumrules]

Injury is part of the equation, sure, but the primary things are that (1) there has already been a DH in one league for 50 years now so the band aid has been pulled off for some time & (2) pitchers are increasingly bad at hitting as they get increasingly good at pitching.

 

Fifty years before the DH, in 1922, pitchers hit 198/238/253 (24 wRC+) with a 19.9 K%.

 

In 1972, the year before the DH, pitchers hit 146/185/184 (6 wRC+) with a 33.0 K%.

 

Last year they hit 108/147/137 (-22 wRC+) with a 44.8 K%.

[rickh150]

Mentioned before, but I am for the DH for the starting pitcher. When SP leaves the game, then I would like to see RP in the spot. This would allow late inning pinch hit strategy, and pitcher bunts to still be part of the game. Best of both worlds.

[Vgmastr]

Mentioned before, but I am for the DH for the starting pitcher. When SP leaves the game, then I would like to see RP in the spot. This would allow late inning pinch hit strategy, and pitcher bunts to still be part of the game. Best of both worlds.

 

The players would never go for that. Why would a team pay $14 million for Nelson Cruz if he'll never play a full game?

[SeaBass]

When the DH takes a defensive position the pitcher is inserted into the spot in the batting order of the player who comes out of the game and the DH is gone for the game. This has been happening somewhat frequently in AL games in late innings the last few years.

 

Don't confuse this with the high school DH rule where the player being DH'd for can only be substituted for the DH. I also think that a couple years ago the high school DH rule was changed so that a player can be his own DH. To put it in MLB terms, Ohtani could be both the starting pitcher and DH so that when he was removed from pitching he could remain the DH.

 

Unless something changed, I don't think the rules allow a player to be listed at two positions to start the game. Since DH is a position, Ohtani would have to be either the pitcher or the DH, not both. If he goes out as the pitcher the new pitcher would have to be substituted for the DH, thus losing the DH for that game if they wanted Ohtani to continue to bat.

When Ohtani pitches he bats as a pitcher. The Angels don't use the DH in those games. When he's removed from the game they use a pinch hitter for the pitcher spot, just like NL teams do/did.

 

I based this off of 1 box score I looked up from this season. I suppose it's possible the one game this happened was the one I looked up but I feel pretty confident that is exactly how they use him when he pitches.

[SeaBass]

Mentioned before, but I am for the DH for the starting pitcher. When SP leaves the game, then I would like to see RP in the spot. This would allow late inning pinch hit strategy, and pitcher bunts to still be part of the game. Best of both worlds.

I think this is one of those things that sounds good in theory but ultimately is too randomly situational to really have much impact. I'm sure that there are players in the AL that DH and later get pinch hit for as game situations arise. Pinch hitting will still be very much a thing in baseball, in fact we'll probably see a bit of an uptick for pinch hitting for other position players than if a team was specifically saving them for the pitcher spot.

[Brock Beauchamp]

When the DH takes a defensive position the pitcher is inserted into the spot in the batting order of the player who comes out of the game and the DH is gone for the game. This has been happening somewhat frequently in AL games in late innings the last few years.

 

Don't confuse this with the high school DH rule where the player being DH'd for can only be substituted for the DH. I also think that a couple years ago the high school DH rule was changed so that a player can be his own DH. To put it in MLB terms, Ohtani could be both the starting pitcher and DH so that when he was removed from pitching he could remain the DH.

 

Unless something changed, I don't think the rules allow a player to be listed at two positions to start the game. Since DH is a position, Ohtani would have to be either the pitcher or the DH, not both. If he goes out as the pitcher the new pitcher would have to be substituted for the DH, thus losing the DH for that game if they wanted Ohtani to continue to bat.

When Ohtani pitches he bats as a pitcher. The Angels don't use the DH in those games. When he's removed from the game they use a pinch hitter for the pitcher spot, just like NL teams do/did.

 

I based this off of 1 box score I looked up from this season. I suppose it's possible the one game this happened was the one I looked up but I feel pretty confident that is exactly how they use him when he pitches.

I watched several Angels games last season and this is how they used him in the games I watched.