Stearns and Counsell- How much rope does each have?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Also, I don't like cross comparing milestones in different sports. Making the MLB playoffs is extremely difficult. It's probably like making an NFC championship.

 

12/32 is not much different than 10/30. Its not like GB is often #12 either.

 

That said, I'll admit there's quite a difference between being in baseball's smallest market compared to football's smallest market.

 

 

I don't count that play-in game. Many don't either. Saying that 10 get in when one of loses one game and stops doesn't seem like a linear comparison to me. And the length of the season makes it incredibly difficult to be at the top at the end.

 

So I'm using 8/30, which is about 37% vs 26% of the league getting in. Even if you do count that play-in, four NFL teams get a pass to the second round. I consider it far more difficult to have sustained success in baseball, and a lot more impressive when Kansas City can get to the world series twice.

[dlk9s]

Oh, to answer part of the original question, Stearns gets a REALLY long rope. He's done a fantastic job so far and that is not even remotely debatable. The franchise is getting stronger and stronger. Counsell's leash may be a bit shorter, but he has done a commendable job and it seems to me that the players like him very much.

[SomewhereInTime]

 

Melvin inherited a better situation than McCarthy and Thompson, even with Rodgers. A GOAT QB is the most important single position in team sports, but there are over 50 guys on a football team and the Packers had little else at the time. Meanwhile the Brewers had spent 10 years accumulating one of the best minor league systems this century, with some decent veteran assets at the ML level as well (Hall, Jenkins, Cirillo, Overbay, Posednik, Doug Davis, Kolb, Sheets, Turnbow, Capuano).

 

They should have averaged 90 wins for about 7-10 years, but they squandered it with impulsive moves and were little better than .500 overall during what should have been a long window of contention. And what do we get for it? Not only did we have to suffer with one infuriating, under-achieving Brewers team after another, but we have to listen to the b.s. narrative that Melvin and Mark A. "brought respectability back to Milwaukee by making the playoffs twice" forever besides. Makes me want to puke.

 

This really couldn't be more wrong. The QB in football has a bigger impact on wins than any single player in baseball can. Aaron Rodgers has a bigger impact on the Packers than Mike Trout does on the Angels and it isn't really close. You could put Aaron Rodgers on the Browns and they might make the playoffs. Also Melvin was tasked with rebuilding the fanbase, not building a long term contender. You are looking at this from completely the wrong angle. Melvin knew that they were tanking the future just to make the playoffs because it is what the team needed at the time after somewhat losing the fanbase by being bad for so long. Stearn's should not be about just making the playoffs, his job is to build a long term winner.

 

Babe Ruth's best season was 15 WAR. Barry Bond's was 12.7. The absolute best baseball players ever aren't worth even 1 win in a football season. Rodgers is worth 2 or 3, he is like a 30-40 WAR baseball player.

 

Put Rodgers on the Browns now, maybe. Have the Browns draft him instead of GB and he's out of the league in about 5 years as another bust. It's not random chance that so many of their QBs have failed after great college careers, it's bad coaching.

[KeithStone53151]

Oh, to answer part of the original question, Stearns gets a REALLY long rope. He's done a fantastic job so far and that is not even remotely debatable. The franchise is getting stronger and stronger. Counsell's leash may be a bit shorter, but he has done a commendable job and it seems to me that the players like him very much.

 

The amount of rope that Stearns has, I'm not sure that much rope exists...

[topper09er]

Also, I don't like cross comparing milestones in different sports. Making the MLB playoffs is extremely difficult. It's probably like making an NFC championship.

 

12/32 is not much different than 10/30. Its not like GB is often #12 either.

 

That said, I'll admit there's quite a difference between being in baseball's smallest market compared to football's smallest market.

 

In baseball it is 8/30. Making a 1 game "playoff" does not count

 

Also football has 4 team divisions, so slightly less competition for the one guaranteed playoff spot for 1 of 4 teams. Like the Indians this year who would make the playoff with 78 wins if needed.

[MadThinker88]

Like the Indians this year who would make the playoff with 78 wins if needed.

 

The Indians will get to 90+ wins. You have to consider how many divisional games they still have remaining.

 

And before bashing the win total, consider the 1997 Indians won the AL Central with a 86-75 record and then lost GM 7 of the World Series to the Marlins...

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Oh, to answer part of the original question, Stearns gets a REALLY long rope. He's done a fantastic job so far and that is not even remotely debatable. The franchise is getting stronger and stronger. Counsell's leash may be a bit shorter, but he has done a commendable job and it seems to me that the players like him very much.

 

The amount of rope that Stearns has, I'm not sure that much rope exists...

 

This!

[PeaveyFury]

Oh, to answer part of the original question, Stearns gets a REALLY long rope. He's done a fantastic job so far and that is not even remotely debatable. The franchise is getting stronger and stronger. Counsell's leash may be a bit shorter, but he has done a commendable job and it seems to me that the players like him very much.

 

The amount of rope that Stearns has, I'm not sure that much rope exists...

 

This!

 

Yep. Stearns will choose to leave to go elsewhere if he leaves Milwaukee someday. He won't be fired, IMO.

[Brewcrewin07]

Not sure what the hell DS is doing?? I realize it takes two to tango, but he absolutely needs to get a deal done...the longer you have a player, the more impact he can potentially have the rest of the year, that COULD mean the difference between a win or two down the stretch..What is the delay?? They have players they NEED to trade(because of the 40 man roster crunch), so let's get moving DS.

[dlk9s]

What is the delay??

 

Perhaps he and another GM haven't come to an agreement on the details of a trade.

[Brewcrewin07]

What is the delay??

 

Perhaps he and another GM haven't come to an agreement on the details of a trade.

That's my point then add a sweetener or two to push it across the finish line

[dlk9s]

No.

[reillymcshane]

Brewers won 86 games last year and are on pace to win 90 this year. Payroll is in good shape. We've built up the farm system so that we can have a sustainable product for a good chunk of years. I'd say they CC and Stearns have all the rope they want at this time.

[SomewhereInTime]

Also, I don't like cross comparing milestones in different sports. Making the MLB playoffs is extremely difficult. It's probably like making an NFC championship.

 

12/32 is not much different than 10/30. Its not like GB is often #12 either.

 

That said, I'll admit there's quite a difference between being in baseball's smallest market compared to football's smallest market.

 

In baseball it is 8/30. Making a 1 game "playoff" does not count

 

Also football has 4 team divisions, so slightly less competition for the one guaranteed playoff spot for 1 of 4 teams. Like the Indians this year who would make the playoff with 78 wins if needed.

 

It is 10/30, the WC round is officially counted as postseason whether you as a fan want to count it or not. It would be as asinine as me saying anyone playing the in the WC round in the NFL doesn't count and only the top two from each conference do.

[topper09er]

Like the Indians this year who would make the playoff with 78 wins if needed.

 

The Indians will get to 90+ wins. You have to consider how many divisional games they still have remaining.

 

And before bashing the win total, consider the 1997 Indians won the AL Central with a 86-75 record and then lost GM 7 of the World Series to the Marlins...

 

I know, I said if needed. The point is that because of having automatic playoff births going to relatively small divisions, you can sometimes get a scenario where none of those teams belongs but gets in because they are the best of the rest. I do not think the Indians will win 78, but if that is all they won they would still make the playoffs. In the NFL, 4 team divisions make these undeserved playoff spots more likely to achieve.