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[JackNicholson1974]

I think that this thread will go pretty far towards keeping anyone who may have any inside info from ever wanting to share it on these boards.

 

This. 100% this. I’m disappointed in how much grief the guy gets.

[djd1228]

No way would I do this. Fulmer isn't a proven top of rotation guy. Santana alone might be fairer than this deal. Woodruff and change too? Please, no.

 

Can't see Cleveland doing their part of the proposal. Mejia or McKenzie (the untouchable) is worth a lot more than D Santana and a "throw in".

 

I disagree, santana is pre arby and has had success in the majors. 3+ WAR players with a potential for more dont grow on trees and hes got 5(4*) years of control

[TooLiveBrew]

Nitpicking, but he has 4 years left under salary control.

[Warning Track Power]

While I would love to add Chris Archer, Marcus Stroman or Michael Fulmer, I fear the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Domingo Santana I am good with moving but I would imagine that they would need to add two of Luis Ortiz, Corbin Burnes or Brandon Woodruff. That’s a ton and leaves SP on the farm rather barren. I would be ok with moving another OF, preferably Broxton, but I doubt a package of Santana, Broxton and an SP not named Ortiz/Woodruff/Burnes gets you Archer, Stroman or Fullmer.

[pacopete4]

We all want to get TOR type pitchers but only some are willing to part ways with what it takes to get it.

[Lathund]

No way would I do this. Fulmer isn't a proven top of rotation guy. Santana alone might be fairer than this deal. Woodruff and change too? Please, no.

 

Can't see Cleveland doing their part of the proposal. Mejia or McKenzie (the untouchable) is worth a lot more than D Santana and a "throw in".

 

I disagree, santana is pre arby and has had success in the majors. 3+ WAR players with a potential for more dont grow on trees and hes got 5(4*) years of control

 

The problem might be that, such as suggested in the Crasnick report from the winter meetings, that other teams don't really believe much in potential for more. And perhaps not even that the current level is sustainable. The strikeouts, the swing and miss, and the perceived batted ball luck (BABIP, HR/FB rate, IFFB%) perhaps plays into that. That's not to say he won't attract interest, but I think many of us Brewers fan are overestimating the return we could get.

[MadThinker88]

Nitpicking, but he (DSantana) has 4 years left under salary control.

 

Correct. Additionally his D is considered fair at best. I've seen too many posts suggesting he is best as a DH on the field. One more aspect is the cost /'value' of power is cheaper now then at times in the past (note the record number of players with 20 or more homers last season). Another overlooked point of that proposal: Cleveland would be sending Mejia to a division rival (Detroit), not onto Milwaukee. Inter-division deals always seem to have additional cost involved.

 

Other posters have pointed out/ referenced that Brinson & Mejia were extremely close in the prospect rankings. Some rankings had Brinson ahead, others had Mejia ahead. Bottom line those guys are close in value.

 

I am NOT suggesting DSantana has low/ zero value. He has value. Its just not super high.

 

Look at it this way, Is DSantana & a throw in worth Brinson (between now & the start of spring training 2018)? I don't think so unless the throw in has a lot of value (& really shouldn't be called a throw in).

[KCBrewerfan34]

While I would love to add Chris Archer, Marcus Stroman or Michael Fulmer, I fear the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Domingo Santana I am good with moving but I would imagine that they would need to add two of Luis Ortiz, Corbin Burnes or Brandon Woodruff. That’s a ton and leaves SP on the farm rather barren. I would be ok with moving another OF, preferably Broxton, but I doubt a package of Santana, Broxton and an SP not named Ortiz/Woodruff/Burnes gets you Archer, Stroman or Fullmer.

 

Based on what we did on Thursday if there’s a deal to be made for a top starter at this point you do it and you tell your Draft Guy to draft his ass off to replenish the system.

[MrTPlush]

Let’s be honest here. We all are concerned about this SP depth, but why are we so scared to deal some of it when we get a PROVEN controllable starter in return? I would package Ortiz/Woodruff together faster than you could believe if I got someone really special. That still leaves us with our safest bet starting pitching prospect.

 

1.Fulmer

2.Nelson

3.Anderson

4.Davies

5.Chacin

6.Burnes

7.Suter

 

Someone has to get traded eventually. We already have a young controllable staff. You can’t fit Woodruff/Burnes/Ortiz all on it too. We have a load of relief pitching prospects so not like we will need them there in a few years. By the time we would need to start replacing these guys(4+ years) the minors would restock, we would be rebuilding again, or we could get someone via FA.

 

Just throwing it out there.

[Warning Track Power]

Nitpicking, but he (DSantana) has 4 years left under salary control.

 

Correct. Additionally his D is considered fair at best. I've seen too many posts suggesting he is best as a DH on the field. One more aspect is the cost /'value' of power is cheaper now then at times in the past (note the record number of players with 20 or more homers last season). Another overlooked point of that proposal: Cleveland would be sending Mejia to a division rival (Detroit), not onto Milwaukee. Inter-division deals always seem to have additional cost involved.

 

Other posters have pointed out/ referenced that Brinson & Mejia were extremely close in the prospect rankings. Some rankings had Brinson ahead, others had Mejia ahead. Bottom line those guys are close in value.

 

I am NOT suggesting DSantana has low/ zero value. He has value. Its just not super high.

 

Look at it this way, Is DSantana & a throw in worth Brinson (between now & the start of spring training 2018)? I don't think so unless the throw in has a lot of value (& really shouldn't be called a throw in).

Here is the challenge. Are you willing to bet that Brinson has a 30-15 season in him like Santana just had in his age 25 season? If given the choice between the two, given their closeness in age (~2 Years), I think I might prefer Domingo.

[MadThinker88]

Here is the challenge. Are you willing to bet that Brinson has a 30-15 season in him like Santana just had in his age 25 season? If given the choice between the two, given their closeness in age (~2 Years), I think I might prefer Domingo.

 

Fair question. I don't think Brinson will have the 30 homers (especially being in Miami). But I can see the value being almost equal between the 2 players due to others factors (like D).

 

And as Lathund pointed out (from the Jerry C report), many think DSantana will not maintain (on increase upon) this level of production.

 

Brinson is felt to have greater upside and longer term value.

[SRB]

Over 323 IP, Fulmer has a sub-7.0 K/9. He's a very good pitcher due to his ability to generate ground balls, but "ace like stuff"? I would much rather have Archer, but since Fulmer is good and young the above trade proposal doesn't seem preposterous to me. Maybe a little too much headed to Detroit.

 

 

 

 

I think that this thread will go pretty far towards keeping anyone who may have any inside info from ever wanting to share it on these boards.

 

This. 100% this. I’m disappointed in how much grief the guy gets.

 

Not to further sidetrack, but there have been approximately 4 posts gently questioning whether HH has been 100% accurate or not out of 50+ pages of trade rumors over the last week and a half, and innumerable posts praising him to high heaven. Give me a break.

[MadThinker88]

Over 323 IP, Fulmer has a sub-7.0 K/9. He's a very good pitcher due to his ability to generate ground balls, but "ace like stuff"? I would much rather have Archer, but since Fulmer is good and young the above trade proposal doesn't seem preposterous to me. Maybe a little too much headed to Detroit.

 

What about the injury issue with Fulmer at the end of last season? I think that would further push items toward Archer (or going with a FA)..

[TJseven7]

So mejia or mckenzie for domingo and guy like diplan. Yeah Ill take either of those. I'd love to stop there.

 

But when the other pieces needed are ortiz, dubon and grisham for Fulmer.

 

You get out of that deal only giving up 1 of the 4 top arms. No huira lutz or even phillips erceg ray. You take that and say thanks. Is fulmer TOP? Not quite yet but you could definitely see him being one.

 

Fulmer nelson anderson davies woodruff chacin with burnes Fperalta still in the system is an easy yes. You add a 2b trade broxton villar for lottos and call it a great offseason.

 

Don't think that will happen though. Im hopeful about santana and diplan for mejia or mckenzie but that wouldn't be announced until monday due to fanfest. You dont deal big name bats for prospects before you shake hands with your fans.

[TJseven7]

Over 323 IP, Fulmer has a sub-7.0 K/9. He's a very good pitcher due to his ability to generate ground balls, but "ace like stuff"? I would much rather have Archer, but since Fulmer is good and young the above trade proposal doesn't seem preposterous to me. Maybe a little too much headed to Detroit.

 

What about the injury issue with Fulmer at the end of last season? I think that would further push items toward Archer (or going with a FA)..

 

He had a nerve transported to prevent irritation issues. That's not a big deal.

 

So an 8 war pitcher at 24 (2 not even full years) isnt an ace because he doesn't K enough guys? Archer in 5 years has had 1 year better than fulmers average.

 

One guy averages 6ip per start. 1 averages 6.3 at 24 years old.

[MNBrew]

How is "Yelich to the Brewers" a vague statement? Or "Darvish to Cubs", which seems likely to happen. And yes, deals do fall through sometimes. Do I know for sure if he has inside info? No, but your reasoning makes no sense. So far, I see no reason to doubt him. No one else anywhere had that info on Yelich. Hell of a guess.

 

January 21st: Jerry Crasnick said the Brewers had a trade brewing. HighHeat came out and his source said it was with an AL team and I believe his source also said there were contract issues.

HighHeat shared his inside scoop after Crasnick's post. When things started slowing down, HighHeat laid out more clearly than anyone else why the trade died: the other team wanted the Brewers to take on more contract without sufficient trade compensation.

 

January 23rd: Craig Mish reports the Brewers have made an offer for Christian Yelich and are showing strong interest in him. Not long after HighHeat's source says the Trade A has been nixed and they are changing directions.

HighHeat saying that Trade A had been nixed and they were changing directions in regards to the trade noted above, NOT the Yelich trade, and he said that BEFORE the Mish thing came out. THEN HighHeat said his source said the Marlins offer was legit, eventually that the Brewers upped their offer, that the Marlins' call to other potential trade partners was because they had a darn good offer that would have to be beat not to happen, and, finally, that the deal was in the Marlins' hands, yet he was rock solid sure it would indeed go down.

 

What ground breaking information has he really given? He has made pretty easy statements after rumors have already started. Anyone going to be that shocked if Darvish is a Cub or if we trade Santana?

 

My point is the fact anyone could make the statements he has made and be fairly accurate. Most statements are pretty easy to just sweep under the carpet and move on without really batting an eye. Not saying he doesn't have someone to get inside info, but I don't think posters should start revolving their thoughts to fit the HighHeat source narrative. As it has already proven to misfire.

HighHeat also relayed inside info on what was going on with regard to Darvish considering the Brewers' offer before any of that was otherwise known.

 

I wonder if you're generalizing based on loose recollections of the order of events. I think that if you went back through all zillion pages of this thread, you'd find that he was spot on with the insights he shared. He was also very clear about when he was offering his opinion vs. inside scoops from his guy.

[superfly]

Signed on to think I had pages of rumors to read, but no its just debate over HighHeat. Enough please, he's a good dude so leave the man alone before he gets mad and takes his thoughts elsewhere. Pretty low of you people to sit here and accuse or muddy the waters when everyone knows he is not going to be able to defend himself until at least Tuesday.

 

First people want speculation to talk about, and then when it comes it's bashed. Cmon folks.

[TooLiveBrew]

Signed on to think I had pages of rumors to read, but no its just debate over HighHeat. Enough please, he's a good dude so leave the man alone before he gets mad and takes his thoughts elsewhere. Pretty low of you people to sit here and accuse or muddy the waters when everyone knows he is not going to be able to defend himself until at least Tuesday.

 

First people want speculation to talk about, and then when it comes it's bashed. Cmon folks.

Well said. As superfly & others have said, let's bring this thread back on topic. Further debate posts about HH will be composted.

 

Thanks!

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

Are we pretty much at the point where we don’t think Arrieta is a possibiiity any longer?

[splitterpfj]

Are we pretty much at the point where we don’t think Arrieta is a possibiiity any longer?

 

I don’t expect the Brewers to sign Arrieta, but no, I wouldn’t say it isn’t still possible.

[TJseven7]

Are we pretty much at the point where we don’t think Arrieta is a possibiiity any longer?

 

I don’t expect the Brewers to sign Arrieta, but no, I wouldn’t say it isn’t still possible.

 

Teams at 92 mil. Could they go to 112 mil. Yeah but that's about as high as many feel they would go.

[MrTPlush]

Are we pretty much at the point where we don’t think Arrieta is a possibiiity any longer?

 

Impossible to really know. Id guess someone of the Arrieta/Darvish magnitude is highly unlikely.

[Warning Track Power]

While the focus remains on SP I wonder if they have moved on from Neil Walker now. Found it interesting that in a McCalvy article after the Yelich and Cain acquisitions that he mentioned Lucroy.

[MrTPlush]

While the focus remains on SP I wonder if they have moved on from Neil Walker now. Found it interesting that in a McCalvy article after the Yelich and Cain acquisitions that he mentioned Lucroy.

 

I too wonder if they are just going to roll with Villar/Sogard/Perez at 2B. Honestly if we keep Santana our offense is going to be pretty sweet and those three guys should be passable. It also allows you to see if Villar can bounce back. Which I think he can with the talent he has...may not do it, but certainly the type of guy to do it.

 

I just don't see Lucroy though. Pina/Vogt aren't that bad(were a decent duo last year actually) and I just cannot see Lucroy coming here to split time.

[Bench Coach 5]

While the focus remains on SP I wonder if they have moved on from Neil Walker now. Found it interesting that in a McCalvy article after the Yelich and Cain acquisitions that he mentioned Lucroy.

 

I too wonder if they are just going to roll with Villar/Sogard/Perez at 2B. Honestly if we keep Santana our offense is going to be pretty sweet and those three guys should be passable. It also allows you to see if Villar can bounce back. Which I think he can with the talent he has...may not do it, but certainly the type of guy to do it.

 

I just don't see Lucroy though. Pina/Vogt aren't that bad(were a decent duo last year actually) and I just cannot see Lucroy coming here to split time.

 

Might be a different story if there were 1B opportunities for him, but with our current outfield situation and the possibility that Braun plays some at first that's not an option for him either.