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[SRB]

How is "Yelich to the Brewers" a vague statement? Or "Darvish to Cubs", which seems likely to happen. And yes, deals do fall through sometimes. Do I know for sure if he has inside info? No, but your reasoning makes no sense. So far, I see no reason to doubt him. No one else anywhere had that info on Yelich. Hell of a guess.

 

It was reported elsewhere that the Brewers had made an offer for Yelich, and then that the deal was finalized, before HH said anything about it on here. Suggesting that Darvish was signing with the Cubs seems like another wrong statement, since as far as we know that has not in fact happened yet (how would anyone in the Brewers front office know that anyways?).

[MrTPlush]

How is "Yelich to the Brewers" a vague statement? Or "Darvish to Cubs", which seems likely to happen. And yes, deals do fall through sometimes. Do I know for sure if he has inside info? No, but your reasoning makes no sense. So far, I see no reason to doubt him. No one else anywhere had that info on Yelich. Hell of a guess.

 

January 21st: Jerry Crasnick said the Brewers had a trade brewing. HighHeat came out and his source said it was with an AL team and I believe his source also said there were contract issues.

 

January 23rd: Craig Mish reports the Brewers have made an offer for Christian Yelich and are showing strong interest in him. Not long after HighHeat's source says the Trade A has been nixed and they are changing directions.

 

What ground breaking information has he really given? He has made pretty easy statements after rumors have already started. Anyone going to be that shocked if Darvish is a Cub or if we trade Santana?

 

My point is the fact anyone could make the statements he has made and be fairly accurate. Most statements are pretty easy to just sweep under the carpet and move on without really batting an eye. Not saying he doesn't have someone to get inside info, but I don't think posters should start revolving their thoughts to fit the HighHeat source narrative. As it has already proven to misfire.

[adambr2]

How is "Yelich to the Brewers" a vague statement? Or "Darvish to Cubs", which seems likely to happen. And yes, deals do fall through sometimes. Do I know for sure if he has inside info? No, but your reasoning makes no sense. So far, I see no reason to doubt him. No one else anywhere had that info on Yelich. Hell of a guess.

 

It was reported elsewhere that the Brewers had made an offer for Yelich, and then that the deal was finalized, before HH said anything about it on here. Suggesting that Darvish was signing with the Cubs seems like another wrong statement, since as far as we know that has not in fact happened yet (how would anyone in the Brewers front office know that anyways?).

 

Correct. Literally the first thing HH said after the Yelich rumors first came out was that that was news to him. This is a couple times now that we have re-written history to fit our (hopeful?) narrative that he has inside information.

 

I am not saying that he doesn't and I fully understand plans and deals in MLB are fluid. I just would like to see and analyze all available information rather than simply take one person's word as gospel.

[MrTPlush]

How is "Yelich to the Brewers" a vague statement? Or "Darvish to Cubs", which seems likely to happen. And yes, deals do fall through sometimes. Do I know for sure if he has inside info? No, but your reasoning makes no sense. So far, I see no reason to doubt him. No one else anywhere had that info on Yelich. Hell of a guess.

 

It was reported elsewhere that the Brewers had made an offer for Yelich, and then that the deal was finalized, before HH said anything about it on here. Suggesting that Darvish was signing with the Cubs seems like another wrong statement, since as far as we know that has not in fact happened yet (how would anyone in the Brewers front office know that anyways?).

 

I am not saying that he doesn't and I fully understand plans and deals in MLB are fluid. I just would like to see and analyze all available information rather than simply take one person's word as gospel.

 

Exactly it is no different than anyone else who tosses rumors out there(Rosenthal etc,). Even when it comes to the big dogs I am not going to sit here and make sure every Brewer possibility fits that rumor. We have spent all offseason talking about a big pitching acquisation and here we sit with two major OF acquisations. A lot of people brushed off the Cain rumors all winter as him trying to pump up his market. Some of us stopped to think about it and saw the fit.

 

Never "ride or die" on one rumor and never toss out a rumor as total BS.

[82brewcrew82]

How is "Yelich to the Brewers" a vague statement? Or "Darvish to Cubs", which seems likely to happen. And yes, deals do fall through sometimes. Do I know for sure if he has inside info? No, but your reasoning makes no sense. So far, I see no reason to doubt him. No one else anywhere had that info on Yelich. Hell of a guess.

 

It was reported elsewhere that the Brewers had made an offer for Yelich, and then that the deal was finalized, before HH said anything about it on here. Suggesting that Darvish was signing with the Cubs seems like another wrong statement, since as far as we know that has not in fact happened yet (how would anyone in the Brewers front office know that anyways?).

 

Correct. Literally the first thing HH said after the Yelich rumors first came out was that that was news to him. This is a couple times now that we have re-written history to fit our (hopeful?) narrative that he has inside information.

 

I am not saying that he doesn't and I fully understand plans and deals in MLB are fluid. I just would like to see and analyze all available information rather than simply take one person's word as gospel.

That highlighted part is my issue. Going back to the Lucroy trade last year he is calling things that are being widely reported and/or assumed already. The notion that nobody else had he Yelich deal is wrong. That Misch guy was all over it. Maybe he has info maybe he doesn't but he isn't the second coming and what he says is not beyond skepticism. If that hurts his feelings and he doesn't want to give into anymore, so be it. These deals either still happen or don't happen, doesn't change my world one bit either way.

[SRB]

Also, as far as I know when deals genuinely do get leaked by non-writers (and by writers too) it is usually based on info from the players' camps, not the front offices. The leak about the Greinke trade is a good example (that was a fun night!)

 

The notion that HH knows somebody in the Brewers front office giving running updates on what the Brewers are doing is possible but deserves a healthy dose of skepticism.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Instead of blowing 2 pages of this thread on HH why doesn’t each individual decide for themselves regarding his “inside info”. Calling him out makes little sense to me.

[adambr2]

Just discussion and I think it's fair, don't think anyone is calling him out, like you said everyone will decide individually.

 

Just refreshed my browser on MLBtraderumors and a new one popped up from 1 minute ago that started with 'Brewers' and I got excited. Then the rest of it loaded and I saw it was a Wei Chung Wang update. Blah...

[LouisEly]

January 21st: Jerry Crasnick said the Brewers had a trade brewing. HighHeat came out and his source said it was with an AL team and I believe his source also said there were contract issues.

HH said that the trade fell through because that team wanted the Brewers to take on too much of the contract.

[KCBrewerfan34]

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Is there something cooking between the Cleveland Indians and Milwaukee Brewers? Hey, Hoynsie

 

Links to this....

 

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2018/01/hey_hoynsie_61.html

 

Nothing new really.

[rickh150]

Instead of blowing 2 pages of this thread on HH why doesn’t each individual decide for themselves regarding his “inside info”. Calling him out makes little sense to me.

 

Since no one is sure if it's bs, let the man post in peace without the hassle. He's batting a high percentage, and many here are appreciative of his insights.

[colbyjack]

I too don't see the point of piling on HH. As rickh150 alluded to, IMO he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[TooLiveBrew]

I too don't see the point of piling on HH. As rickh150 alluded to, IMO he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Agreed, he never boasted about anything & was very candid about whether any deals fell apart, or if any offers got rescinded. He was also very careful to say numerous times along the way that this was simply info he was getting from his friend, not anything that he was making a hardline prediction on. Deals fall apart more often than they come together.

 

If he'd been puffing out his chest & saying 'I told you so', I'd be inclined to believe he was spewing nonsense. But I believe that he was relaying info as it was given to him, because that's kinda exactly what he did (& how he did it) here.

[pacopete4]

Yep. Some really poor attitudes around here are really going to ruin it. HH19 owes us nothing and could really be sticking his neck out.

[SRB]

Nobody is attacking HH, people were just pointing out that his word is not the gospel and thus it is fair to speculate that moves could happen contrary to what he has claimed.

 

(He literally did post "I told you so" in the Yelich thread, by the way, though like I said I have no problem with him and I enjoy his posts )

[TooLiveBrew]

Nobody is attacking HH, people were just pointing out that his word is not the gospel and thus it is fair to speculate that moves could happen contrary to what he has claimed.

 

(He literally did post "I told you so" in the Yelich thread, by the way, though like I said I have no problem with him and I enjoy his posts )

Heh, whoops. Guess I just never got that almost spiteful-type attitude I usually associate with "I told you so".

 

I don't think HH said, or anyone feels, his "word is gospel" -- just that he's sharing what looks to be legit insider info. Doesn't mean it'll always pan out.

[DocLuna7]

I think that this thread will go pretty far towards keeping anyone who may have any inside info from ever wanting to share it on these boards.

[adambr2]

To get us back on track here. This is from the Tigers version of Brewcrewball.

 

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I would absolutely do this in a heartbeat. 5 years control of Fulmer, give up Santana, Grisham, Dubon and Woodruff?

 

Plus you'd actually save money in the deal and have still plenty of money to spend on whatever else you wanted, every pitching prospect besides Woodruff still here, still got Hiura, still got Ray and Lutz, and Hader can be your pen ace.

[rht]

To get us back on track here. This is from the Tigers version of Brewcrewball.

 

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I would absolutely do this in a heartbeat. 5 years control of Fulmer, give up Santana, Grisham, Dubon and Woodruff?

 

Plus you'd actually save money in the deal and have still plenty of money to spend on whatever else you wanted, every pitching prospect besides Woodruff still here, still got Hiura, still got Ray and Lutz, and Hader can be your pen ace.

 

So basically Cleveland is offering McKenzie and Meijia for Domingo and a throw in, why don’t we just do that, I would and not include Detroit. Anyone know if Fulmer is completely healthy from his injury at the end of last year?

[KCBrewerfan34]

Santana must be chopped liver I guess LOL

[adambr2]

To get us back on track here. This is from the Tigers version of Brewcrewball.

 

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I would absolutely do this in a heartbeat. 5 years control of Fulmer, give up Santana, Grisham, Dubon and Woodruff?

 

Plus you'd actually save money in the deal and have still plenty of money to spend on whatever else you wanted, every pitching prospect besides Woodruff still here, still got Hiura, still got Ray and Lutz, and Hader can be your pen ace.

 

So basically Cleveland is offering McKenzie and Meijia for Domingo and a throw in, why don’t we just do that, I would and not include Detroit. Anyone know if Fulmer is completely healthy from his injury at the end of last year?

 

Deal says McKenzie or Mejia, not both, very big difference. And says Cleveland would want something else from Detroit. Also mentions another throw in on our part but at that point, not a deal breaker.

[rickh150]

To get us back on track here. This is from the Tigers version of Brewcrewball.

 

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I would absolutely do this in a heartbeat. 5 years control of Fulmer, give up Santana, Grisham, Dubon and Woodruff?

 

Plus you'd actually save money in the deal and have still plenty of money to spend on whatever else you wanted, every pitching prospect besides Woodruff still here, still got Hiura, still got Ray and Lutz, and Hader can be your pen ace.

 

So basically Cleveland is offering McKenzie and Meijia for Domingo and a throw in, why don’t we just do that, I would and not include Detroit. Anyone know if Fulmer is completely healthy from his injury at the end of last year?

 

 

No way would I do this. Fulmer isn't a proven top of rotation guy. Santana alone might be fairer than this deal. Woodruff and change too? Please, no.

[adambr2]

Fulmer is 24 years old, has ace stuff, comes with 5 years control, hits 99 on his fastball with a wipeout slider.

 

Your 'proven top of rotation pitcher' isn't available via trade or free agency for that matter.

[MadThinker88]

No way would I do this. Fulmer isn't a proven top of rotation guy. Santana alone might be fairer than this deal. Woodruff and change too? Please, no.

 

Can't see Cleveland doing their part of the proposal. Mejia or McKenzie (the untouchable) is worth a lot more than D Santana and a "throw in".