Darvish

[Dadbauer]

but a rotation of 3 and 4 guys is playing with fire.

 

ESPECIALLY once you get to the playoffs, IF you get to the playoffs...

 

Exactly. Let last year be the example. They lost out by ONE game and their "rotation" was on fumes. It could have been way worse.

[MrTPlush]

I don't think Anderson is going to be a 2.74 guy again. I just don't see it, but hope I'm wrong. If he's around 4 I will be OK with him. Nelson healthy, Davies and Anderson is much shakier to me than tossing Lynn or one of these guys in there. It makes it all more solid to me. We don't have an ace, we're not going to have an ace, so loading up on guys that are reliable and give us a chance is our best bet imo.

 

I won't, this team isn't making the playoffs with a bunch of 4 ERA guys.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Right, which is why they need a legitimate starter because they are hoping to repeat last year's results with a guy who is hurt and won't start the season, a guy who had the best year of baseball career at 30, and it was BY FAR his best year, and Davies who is probably the safest SP that they have right now.

 

This team is better, but expecting the SP to hold up again like that with the current talent level is a bit like what some folks expected in 2014. They've added enough to the offense that I think even with some regression there will be an evening out and they'll be ok. The SP is not where it needs to be. Anderson is a high 3/4 pitcher most likely. I don't think expecting 2.74 out of him again is realistic. For the third time, I hope I'm wrong on that.

[KCBrewerfan34]

I think anyone proclaiming Anderson, Davies or Nelson are better than any of those guys has Brewers goggles on.

 

You should probably look at those guys stat lines. They were pretty great a year ago. While you want to insult people that don't believe that Arrieta, Lynn, or Cobb are rotation changes, you really are knocking three guys that are really putting it together. Most fans would dream of having a 24-year-old in Davies put up the stat line he did but since he's basically a middle school student, we dismiss him.

 

 

If you are factoring in dollars then I will take Davies and Anderson over Lynn and Cobb and I don't think its even close. No goggles on here. FYI

[pacopete4]

I don't think Anderson is going to be a 2.74 guy again. I just don't see it, but hope I'm wrong. If he's around 4 I will be OK with him. Nelson healthy, Davies and Anderson is much shakier to me than tossing Lynn or one of these guys in there. It makes it all more solid to me. We don't have an ace, we're not going to have an ace, so loading up on guys that are reliable and give us a chance is our best bet imo.

 

I won't, this team isn't making the playoffs with a bunch of 4 ERA guys.

 

There were only five teams last season who had their starting pitching staffs under a 4 ERA:

 

1: LAD- 3.39

2: CLE- 3.52

3: ARI- 3.61

4: WAS- 3.63

5: NYY- 3.98

 

#10: Brewers were at 4.10

[KCBrewerfan34]

The Brew are going to need a lot to go right. Anderson has to repeat. Davies has to start off better. Nelson has to regain form and Chacin has to step up. Thats alot of IF's. Otherwise they have to overspend in FA or drain the system for a controllable pitcher. Or their offense just mashes, which I think is possible with the 2 STUDS we acquired (love their OBP) and especially Yelich is going to be a monster in Miller Park. Problem Stearns has every GM realizes he needs starting pitching and he's really been the only one to make any big moves and the other GM's know it.

 

I don't see a thread but is Stroman just off the table?

[Bench Coach 5]

I think anyone proclaiming Anderson, Davies or Nelson are better than any of those guys has Brewers goggles on.

 

You should probably look at those guys stat lines. They were pretty great a year ago. While you want to insult people that don't believe that Arrieta, Lynn, or Cobb are rotation changes, you really are knocking three guys that are really putting it together. Most fans would dream of having a 24-year-old in Davies put up the stat line he did but since he's basically a middle school student, we dismiss him.

 

 

If you are factoring in dollars then I will take Davies and Anderson over Lynn and Cobb and I don't think its even close. No goggles on here. FYI

 

 

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

[MrTPlush]

I don't think expecting 2.74 out of him again is realistic. For the third time, I hope I'm wrong on that.

 

I would agree with you that he won't repeat what he did last year, but I think more realistic is the expectation of a 3.30 ERA type season. He definitely had the stats to back up the results and in my opinion really looked like that dominant of a pitcher.

 

Regarding the Zach Davies talk he is a big wild card to me. His K/9 was really low last year, gave up a lot of hits, and his WHIP was way too high. The rough start to the season didn't help things and he was an absolute dumpster fire at Miller Park. The later is interesting because he was not that terrible at Miller Park in 2016. He was actually way better vs. on the road in 2016 and it was the total opposite last year.

[82brewcrew82]

I don't think Anderson is going to be a 2.74 guy again. I just don't see it, but hope I'm wrong. If he's around 4 I will be OK with him. Nelson healthy, Davies and Anderson is much shakier to me than tossing Lynn or one of these guys in there. It makes it all more solid to me. We don't have an ace, we're not going to have an ace, so loading up on guys that are reliable and give us a chance is our best bet imo.

 

I won't, this team isn't making the playoffs with a bunch of 4 ERA guys.

 

There were only five teams last season who had their starting pitching staffs under a 4 ERA:

 

1: LAD- 3.39

2: CLE- 3.52

3: ARI- 3.61

4: WAS- 3.63

5: NYY- 3.98

 

#10: Brewers were at 4.10

So there are what, four or five NL teams with better starting pitching ......and we lost our best pitcher?

[trwi7]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

 

Absolutely, yes.

[pacopete4]

 

There were only five teams last season who had their starting pitching staffs under a 4 ERA:

 

1: LAD- 3.39

2: CLE- 3.52

3: ARI- 3.61

4: WAS- 3.63

5: NYY- 3.98

 

#10: Brewers were at 4.10

So there are what, four or five NL teams with better starting pitching ......and we lost our best pitcher?

 

Replacing Nelson's 3.49 with Chacin's 3.89.

[KeithStone53151]

 

I won't, this team isn't making the playoffs with a bunch of 4 ERA guys.

 

There were only five teams last season who had their starting pitching staffs under a 4 ERA:

 

1: LAD- 3.39

2: CLE- 3.52

3: ARI- 3.61

4: WAS- 3.63

5: NYY- 3.98

 

#10: Brewers were at 4.10

So there are what, four or five NL teams with better starting pitching ......and we lost our best pitcher?

 

First off, notice that list includes 5 of the 10 playoff teams. Second off, take the 3-4 best starters from each team and redo the ERA's, that's what pitches in the playoffs. Team starting ERA includes 4 and 5 starters, along with spot starts from guys. The Brewers top 3 starters(including nelson) had a 3.43 ERA. Cubs top 4 was 3.69. Red Sox top 4 was 3.73. Astros top 4 was 3.36. Notice all 4 of these teams weren't even in the top 5, if I ran the calcs for any of them we might see a sub 3 ERA. You need guys pitching in the mid 3s or better in your playoff rotation to have a chance in October.

[MrTPlush]

I don't think Anderson is going to be a 2.74 guy again. I just don't see it, but hope I'm wrong. If he's around 4 I will be OK with him. Nelson healthy, Davies and Anderson is much shakier to me than tossing Lynn or one of these guys in there. It makes it all more solid to me. We don't have an ace, we're not going to have an ace, so loading up on guys that are reliable and give us a chance is our best bet imo.

 

I won't, this team isn't making the playoffs with a bunch of 4 ERA guys.

 

There were only five teams last season who had their starting pitching staffs under a 4 ERA:

 

1: LAD- 3.39

2: CLE- 3.52

3: ARI- 3.61

4: WAS- 3.63

5: NYY- 3.98

 

#10: Brewers were at 4.10

 

You play offense too:

 

NL Playoff Teams: Pitching Rank/Offense Rank

 

Colorado: #9/#1

Chicago: #4/#2

Arizona: #2/#4

LAD: #1/#6

Washington: #3/#3

 

Milwaukee: #5/#10 (bolded all better than us)

 

Cain/Yelich greatly help the offense, but there is a ton of regression potential on this team. A lot of what they add is likely to be subtracted if we trade Santana and through regression across the team. I just don't think this offense is going to mash to carry a 4.00 ERA staff. If it does it is a wild card birth with a really quick exit.

[Boomer5]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

 

Absolutely, yes.

 

Without question you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb factoring in money and picks.

 

Why? Because Lynn and Cobb aren't TOR types and that's what we need.

[pacopete4]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

I'll take McHugh and Woodruff with Suter as my spot starter/long man overpaying for Lynn and Cobb. It isn't really even a question for me. Add a guy like McHugh that has shown to be a really good pitcher and let Anderson, Chacin, Davies, and Woodruff do their thing.

[Bench Coach 5]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

 

Absolutely, yes.

 

Without question you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb factoring in money and picks.

 

Why? Because Lynn and Cobb aren't TOR types and that's what we need.

 

 

I don't disagree. Just thought it was the more appropriate question. I don't like the picks associated with Lynn or Cobb. That's part of why I would like Darvish even though he will cost a ton more. Would also be OK with a trade if it brings back a true TOR.

[Boomer5]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

I'll take McHugh and Woodruff with Suter as my spot starter/long man overpaying for Lynn and Cobb. It isn't really even a question for me. Add a guy like McHugh that has shown to be a really good pitcher and let Anderson, Chacin, Davies, and Woodruff do their thing.

 

I would too. McHugh won't be cheap though. Not Archer crazy but not a minor trade.

[pacopete4]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

I'll take McHugh and Woodruff with Suter as my spot starter/long man overpaying for Lynn and Cobb. It isn't really even a question for me. Add a guy like McHugh that has shown to be a really good pitcher and let Anderson, Chacin, Davies, and Woodruff do their thing.

 

I would too. McHugh won't be cheap though. Not Archer crazy but not a minor trade.

 

Maybe not cheap but it shouldn’t take front of the line prospects to get it done.

[coolhandluke121]

 

If you are factoring in dollars then I will take Davies and Anderson over Lynn and Cobb and I don't think its even close. No goggles on here. FYI

 

 

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

 

I know I would. They got in this position in the first place by finding good values and giving guys who deserve it a chance to prove themselves. They should just keep doing that. Woodruff and Suter deserve that chance. The bigger names are obviously likely to be a little better, but that's far from a given and at free agency price tags it's not worth it.

 

Also, by the time someone is a bigger name, there's a pretty good chance he's already on the decline and more susceptible to injury. There's also the question of opportunities. You can always doubt guys who haven't gotten much of an opportunity yet, but a lot of guys who earn a reputation were once just guys like Woodruff (and Suter to a lesser extent, although I recognize he was never much of a prospect) before they got their opportunity.

[superfly]

But would you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb? That's probably the more appropriate question.

 

Absolutely, yes.

 

Without question you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb factoring in money and picks.

 

Why? Because Lynn and Cobb aren't TOR types and that's what we need.

 

Absolutely not on Brent Suter, I could see the argument on Woodruff. Cobb and Lynn are proven MLB starters, the latter of which is a bulldog. Brent Suter throws freaking 43 mph. Don't know why youd compare them to a TOR type either because Suter or Woodruff are #5's and that wast the question.

 

Not saying I want them unless its cheap, and loss of a draft pick is a factor for sure. But Suter absolutely doesn't belong in a regular full time starters role in MLB. IMO

[trwi7]

Absolutely not on Brent Suter, I could see the argument on Woodruff. Cobb and Lynn are proven MLB starters, the latter of which is a bulldog. Brent Suter throws freaking 43 mph. Don't know why youd compare them to a TOR type either because Suter or Woodruff are #5's and that wast the question.

 

Not saying I want them unless its cheap, and loss of a draft pick is a factor for sure. But Suter absolutely doesn't belong in a regular full time starters role in MLB. IMO

 

I'll take two 5s (and Woodruff's ceiling is absolutely higher than that) making $1 million combined over two 3/4 starters in their 30s making $30 million combined.

[coolhandluke121]

 

Absolutely, yes.

 

Without question you take Suter and Woodruff over Lynn and Cobb factoring in money and picks.

 

Why? Because Lynn and Cobb aren't TOR types and that's what we need.

 

Absolutely not on Brent Suter, I could see the argument on Woodruff. Cobb and Lynn are proven MLB starters, the latter of which is a bulldog. Brent Suter throws freaking 43 mph. Don't know why youd compare them to a TOR type either because Suter or Woodruff are #5's and that wast the question.

 

Not saying I want them unless its cheap, and loss of a draft pick is a factor for sure. But Suter absolutely doesn't belong in a regular full time starters role in MLB. IMO

 

Suter is perfect for the situation. Nelson could be back in June or July. Suter is a stopgap and they can occasionally carry 13 pitchers until Nelson is back. Guerra and Gallardo can have a crack at it if Suter doesn't cut it. They went through worse in the starting rotation in 2017 and still nearly made the playoffs with a mediocre offense and bullpen.

 

Anderson, Davies, Woodruff, and Chacin all deserve the first crack at the other 4 spots. Unless they find good value like Chacin, they shouldn't be impatient.

[Jenkins5]

Love Suter the person & clubhouse guy. He is a Dillard type fun personality.... however, I never want to see him in rotation outside of spot starts. Long reliever, spot starter is his spot. This is coming from a guy who desperately wants a lefty in rotation. I’d gladly pay for Cobb or Lynn over him. Woodruff though I feel is worth a real look. I’m fine starting season with our rotation. Let market play out. Don’t think our season is dead by July if we don’t get one now. Hope Santana’s value soars & Phillips is continuing to progress. Make a trade then. Not saying this is course I hope for but I’d be okay with it

[trwi7]

however, I never want to see him in rotation outside of spot starts.

 

Wouldn't this be what it is? Suter starts until Nelson comes back or Burnes is called up. By my count you can get him all the way through the end of June with as few as 11 starts if you wanted to and the end of June is exactly half the season.

[clancyphile]

Absolutely not on Brent Suter, I could see the argument on Woodruff. Cobb and Lynn are proven MLB starters, the latter of which is a bulldog. Brent Suter throws freaking 43 mph. Don't know why youd compare them to a TOR type either because Suter or Woodruff are #5's and that wast the question.

 

Not saying I want them unless its cheap, and loss of a draft pick is a factor for sure. But Suter absolutely doesn't belong in a regular full time starters role in MLB. IMO

 

I'll take two 5s (and Woodruff's ceiling is absolutely higher than that) making $1 million combined over two 3/4 starters in their 30s making $30 million combined.

 

I think both have higher ceilings than #5. A healthy Woodruff is a likely high-end #3 starter. Rarely blows up, usually gives six innings or more.

 

Suter... I'm of the opinion he could be as good as a high-end number 2. He has the control and command Davies does, and he is left-handed as well. He also has been, I think, consistently underestimated by many. Is it the 31st-round draft pick? Is it the fact he's a junkball pitcher? I think if he is in the rotation all year, he could break out like Davies did in 2017. To date, he has beaten huge odds - I doubt that many people expect a junkball pitcher taken in the 31st round of the June draft to make the majors.