Significant Acquisition Coming? Krasnick says "buzz" Brewers close to a trade

[82brewcrew82]

HH post last night mentioning our offer might "sting".

Based on what I've read over the last few days that quote would have applied to half the board no matter who was in the deal.

[umpref]

HH post last night mentioning our offer might "sting".

Based on what I've read over the last few days that quote would have applied to half the board no matter who was in the deal.

 

But besides Brinson being mentioned, no ML roster player really mentioned to speak of.

Hence the mentioning of deal Stinging by HH. That would sting. Trading off minors players not as much IMO, especially of Arcia.

[StearnsFTW]

When HH says Brewers upped offer, what are the odds Arcia was packaged in to the deal if they are adding "friends" to the package? HH post last night mentioned our offer might "sting".

 

The odds are very long that Arcia was added. He's not going anywhere.

[trwi7]

Arcia is closer to Alcides Escobar than he is to being a building block.

[82brewcrew82]

HH post last night mentioning our offer might "sting".

Based on what I've read over the last few days that quote would have applied to half the board no matter who was in the deal.

 

But besides Brinson being mentioned, no ML roster player really mentioned to speak of.

Hence the mentioning of deal Stinging by HH. That would sting. Trading off minors players not as much IMO, especially of Arcia.

You're right. My point was that saying the offer was going to sting is a very general comment that could, and would, apply to a large population on this board regardless of who was in on the deal. So yes, in an abstract sense, Arcia would sting but there is zero chance that Arcia is part of that deal.

[82brewcrew82]

Arcia is closer to Alcides Escobar than he is to being a building block.

We get it. Everyone on the team is garbage and we should trade all them because they are all going to regress. For the rest of you fine folks with regard to this statement, no....just no.

[trwi7]

Arcia is closer to Alcides Escobar than he is to being a building block.

We get it. Everyone on the team is garbage and we should trade all them because they are all going to regress. For the rest of you fine folks with regard to this statement, no....just no.

 

Right, 1 WAR in 750+ MLB plate appearances. I'm just hot taking all over the place.

[StearnsFTW]

Arcia is closer to Alcides Escobar than he is to being a building block.

We get it. Everyone on the team is garbage and we should trade all them because they are all going to regress. For the rest of you fine folks with regard to this statement, no....just no.

 

Right, 1 WAR in 750+ MLB plate appearances. I'm just hot taking all over the place.

 

1 fWAR, 2.3 bWAR as a 21 and 22 year old shortstop. I think you're being a little hard on him.

[brewcrewdue80]

Arcia is closer to Alcides Escobar than he is to being a building block.

We get it. Everyone on the team is garbage and we should trade all them because they are all going to regress. For the rest of you fine folks with regard to this statement, no....just no.

 

Right, 1 WAR in 750+ MLB plate appearances. I'm just hot taking all over the place.

 

16% improvement on OPS from age 21 to 22 and now 23 entering this season. Improved Defensive Ratings.

 

Yeah he's completely stalled and will never improve upon the "2.6BWar" value he was last year. This was a legit top 10 prospect in all of baseball, and you are speaking of him like he's a bust. How is your plan going to work again? Lose over and over, get a top 20 prospect out of that and call him a bust after 750+PAs? It's like taking your argument to continue building and then showing off it won't work with top 10 prospects

[pacopete4]

I think what is annoying about all this is there's a good chance we don't get anything accomplished BUT we also have a good chance at really never knowing who would've been in these deals. All speculation. All rumors. All-time annoying.

[beekay414]

Our two best prospects plus two other solid prospects for a grand total of 10 WAR and we're hoping that the rest of the team wasn't overachieving last year? I'll pass on that.

 

I don't know why this is so hard. I'm not willing to throw away our top prospects for a team I think had a ton of players do something they're never going to do again.

 

As if 10 WAR is no big deal...

 

I'd be more than willing to wager that those prospects combined won't hit 10 WAR in a season. Diaz has no long term place here with Hiura and Dubon (he's legit regardless of what you think). Brinson is always going to be a health concern and hasn't shown he can hit MLB pitching yet. Burnes is solid but he's not ace material and he's more than likely a #3. Ortiz is a 4 who eats innings. There's nothing overwhelming about that deal that says, "no, we can't do that."

 

You're putting far too much weight into "what ifs" than actual MLB production. Cost controlled production at that...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I think what is annoying about all this is there's a good chance we don't get anything accomplished BUT we also have a good chance at really never knowing who would've been in these deals. All speculation. All rumors. All-time annoying.

 

Bullseye!

 

I wouldn't say they won't get anything accomplished, though. They seem pretty hell bent on trading Santana, so I think that happens eventually. Which means they probably sign Cain. I think they also sign one of the starters who's left out of Lynn, Cobb or Arrieta. Not as exciting as a big deal for a potential stud, but not sitting on their hands either.

[trwi7]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

[brewcrewdue80]

BA and MLB believed he was top 10 in 2016.

[trwi7]

BA and MLB believed he was top 10 in 2016.

 

Good for them.

[mlloyd10]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

So let me get this straight - You don't consider Lindor a cornerstone? WOW...Now i know you really aren't paying attention.

 

Lindor finish top 10 in MVP voting the last two years and just turned 24 coming off a 33hr year.

[pacopete4]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

Arcia OPS’s .731 last season at age 22.

 

Escobar has never done that in his entire big league career of a decade.

[trwi7]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

So let me get this straight - You don't consider Lindor a cornerstone? WOW...Now i know you really aren't paying attention.

 

Lindor finish top 10 in MVP voting the last two years and just turned 24 coming off a 33hr year.

 

No, I said Lindor wasn't particularly great in the minors, similar to Escobar and Arcia but came up to the majors and became a superstar. Who's not paying attention now?

[jerichoholicninja]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

Ya, no fan of Arcia here. I don't care what his age is, in a year and a half in the majors with major league coaching he's made zero adjustments at the plate. Best defensive SS we've had in quite awhile but his bat is below replacement level and won't get any better until he changes his approach.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

BA and MLB believed he was top 10 in 2016.

 

Good for them.

 

So who would be an untouchable prospect in your mind? Do the Brewers have any right now? Are their any players on the MLB roster that are worth hanging onto, or is everyone fair game? I mean, I'm really trying to understand your viewpoint, but I'm having trouble seeing how it leads to success?

[trwi7]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

Arcia OPS’s .731 last season at age 22.

 

Escobar has never done that in his entire big league career of a decade.

 

With a juiced ball. That .730 OPS screams cornerstone to me.

[trwi7]

BA and MLB believed he was top 10 in 2016.

 

Good for them.

 

So who would be an untouchable prospect in your mind? Do the Brewers have any right now? Are their any players on the MLB roster that are worth hanging onto, or is everyone fair game? I mean, I'm really trying to understand your viewpoint, but I'm having trouble seeing how it leads to success?

 

I think Brinson is the closest to an untouchable prospect we have. And everyone is fair game on our roster, all the time. Even if we had Mike Trout there are scenarios where some team would be able to offer enough to get me to trade him.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

Arcia OPS’s .731 last season at age 22.

 

Escobar has never done that in his entire big league career of a decade.

 

With a juiced ball. That .730 OPS screams cornerstone to me.

 

Juiced ball? Are you serious? No, you can't be serious. You are messing with us now.

[And That]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

So let me get this straight - You don't consider Lindor a cornerstone? WOW...Now i know you really aren't paying attention.

 

Lindor finish top 10 in MVP voting the last two years and just turned 24 coming off a 33hr year.

 

No, I said Lindor wasn't particularly great in the minors, similar to Escobar and Arcia but came up to the majors and became a superstar.

I know what you meant, but what you said was literally:

 

Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

In that sentence, "he" would have to refer to Lindor.

[pacopete4]

I never considered Arcia a top 10 prospect. Even in the minors he was much more in line with the Escobar track than a Correa or Machado track. Now obviously he could improve. Lindor was like that but so far in the majors he's been much more Escobar than any of the top shortstops that you would actually consider cornerstones.

 

Arcia OPS’s .731 last season at age 22.

 

Escobar has never done that in his entire big league career of a decade.

 

With a juiced ball. That .730 OPS screams cornerstone to me.