Significant Acquisition Coming? Krasnick says "buzz" Brewers close to a trade

[superfly]

Milwaukee can't attract top talent as it is

 

So where do you think the best chance is for them to get that talent?

 

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[trwi7]

Perhaps Stearns doesn't like this crop of prospects you like and there are better ones out there.

 

Oh, so Stearns doesn't like the prospects he acquired? That's great. Praise Stearns!

[trwi7]

Milwaukee can't attract top talent as it is

 

So where do you think the best chance is for them to get that talent?

 

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So you think the best way to get top talent, which you say the Brewers can't attract is by winning. I may not be doing a great job of making my point but at least my points make sense.

[MNBrew]

Perhaps Stearns doesn't like this crop of prospects you like and there are better ones out there.

 

Oh, so Stearns doesn't like the prospects he acquired? That's great. Praise Stearns!

I think the point was just that we don't know the Brewers' internal prospect rankings.

 

In any case, it's still true that some of our good prospects were acquired under Doug Melvin's leadership, not Stearns'.

 

Of course, what happens going forward will show Stearns' hand somewhat. I think many of us are feeling varying combinations of excited and nervous to see what happens.

 

Trwi7, I get your belief in the "scorched earth" rebuild. I don't believe in it to the extent you do as a necessary constant thought, but I get where you're coming from.

[HighHeat19]

Brewers and Astro's value athleticism over production. Think 5 tool players at literally every position. Goldschmidt, Altuve, and McCutcheon in his prime are poster children for the Brewers. And maybe not even the strongest in one tool, but no weakness in any of the tools. Prince Fielder, Billy Hamilton, and Khris Davis are the antagonists of what the Brewers want. One trick ponies who have glaring weaknesses that can and will be exposed by not only pitchers, but especially "playoff" pitchers.

 

Hence the push for Yelich:

If you try to hit at him he will get you out.

If you try to run on him he will throw you out.

If he gets on base he will cause the pitcher headaches.

If a runner is at third he will find away to put the ball in play and get that player home .

If a strikeout is the worst case scenario when he is up, he will not strikeout.

If the pitcher makes a mistake he will take him yard.

 

Yelich and Braun will make the best pitchers quiver when they are up in a clutch situation. And that's how you build a playoff team. Not power hitters who put up 34 of their 41 HR's off of lolly pops. Lolly pops don't pitch in October.

[bill hAll Star]

Not that high, but if we keep trading more to try to beat the Cubs, suddenly we’ll be praying that our few remaining prospects pan out.

 

Or you manage your farm system smart, draft well, catch lightning in a bottle on other teams' failed prospects, and hit on a few international prospects every year. This is not the mid-2000s Brewers that had a top-heavy farm system. This system is very deep, with very nice prospects at all levels.

 

Unless you think Yelich is the guy to put the Brewers over the top, we still need more.

 

I’m the guy banging the free agency drum on here, but it’s not a lock that we can win the bidding for any of the difference makers in the next few years.

 

So then you turn to trades...because since you’ve traded for Yelich, you’d better be shooting to win the division.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Oh, so Stearns doesn't like the prospects he acquired? That's great. Praise Stearns!

 

Stearns has been GM for what, 2 seasons now? Most of the prospects in the system actually weren't acquired by him. Hell, he didn't trade for Brinson and Ortiz until after Lucroy nixed the trade with Cleveland for what appears to have been a better package of prospects.

[trwi7]

Yelich and Braun will make the best pitchers quiver when they are up in a clutch situation. And that's how you build a playoff team. Not power hitters who put up 34 of their 41 HR's off of lolly pops. Lolly pops don't pitch in October.

 

That probably would've been the least terrifying duo in the playoffs this year.

[trwi7]

Stearns has been GM for what, 2 seasons now? Most of the prospects in the system actually weren't acquired by him. Hell, he didn't trade for Brinson and Ortiz until after Lucroy nixed the trade with Cleveland for what appears to have been a better package of prospects.

 

Granted the list hasn't been updated but our top 20 prospects from MLB Pipeline

 

Brinson - Stearns

Ray - Stearns

Ortiz - Stearns

Woodruff - Melvin

Hiura - Stearns

Diaz - Stearns

Burnes - Stearns (hey, that rhymes)

Lutz - Stearns

Dubon - Stearns

Erceg - Stearns

Peralta - Stearns

Phillips - Melvin

Grisham - Melvin

Harrison (Monte) - Melvin

Diplon - Melvin

Supak - Stearns

Harrison (K.J) - Stearns

Gatewood - Melvin

Nottingham - Stearns

Lemons - Stearns

 

That's 14 of the top 20 either traded for by Stearns or drafted under Stearns including 9 of the top 10. And that Cleveland deal sucked after Mejia and we're damn lucky Lucroy nixed the trade to them. Give me Brinson and Ortiz over Mejia and crap anyday.

[HighHeat19]

Brewers and Astro's value athleticism over production. Think 5 tool players at literally every position. Goldschmidt, Altuve, and McCutcheon in his prime are poster children for the Brewers. And maybe not even the strongest in one tool, but no weakness in any of the tools. Prince Fielder, Billy Hamilton, and Khris Davis are the antagonists of what the Brewers want. One trick ponies who have glaring weaknesses that can and will be exposed by not only pitchers, but especially "playoff" pitchers.

 

Hence the push for Yelich:

If you try to hit at him he will get you out.

If you try to run on him he will throw you out.

If he gets on base he will cause the pitcher headaches.

If a runner is at third he will find away to put the ball in play and get that player home .

If a strikeout is the worst case scenario when he is up, he will not strikeout.

If the pitcher makes a mistake he will take him yard.

 

Yelich and Braun will make the best pitchers quiver when they are up in a clutch situation. And that's how you build a playoff team. Not power hitters who put up 34 of their 41 HR's off of lolly pops. Lolly pops don't pitch in October.

 

Matter of fact.

Yelichs 2017 stats vs some of the greats:

 

Scherzer- BA .412 OPS 1.415

Kershaw- BA .455 OPS .955

DeGrom- BA .438 OPS .971

Kendrick- BA .400 OPS .928

 

This is how you win in the playoffs, because these are the type of guys you face in the playoffs.

[bill hAll Star]

Brewers and Astro's value athleticism over production. Think 5 tool players at literally every position. Goldschmidt, Altuve, and McCutcheon in his prime are poster children for the Brewers. And maybe not even the strongest in one tool, but no weakness in any of the tools. Prince Fielder, Billy Hamilton, and Khris Davis are the antagonists of what the Brewers want. One trick ponies who have glaring weaknesses that can and will be exposed by not only pitchers, but especially "playoff" pitchers.

 

Hence the push for Yelich:

If you try to hit at him he will get you out.

If you try to run on him he will throw you out.

If he gets on base he will cause the pitcher headaches.

If a runner is at third he will find away to put the ball in play and get that player home .

If a strikeout is the worst case scenario when he is up, he will not strikeout.

If the pitcher makes a mistake he will take him yard.

 

Yelich and Braun will make the best pitchers quiver when they are up in a clutch situation. And that's how you build a playoff team. Not power hitters who put up 34 of their 41 HR's off of lolly pops. Lolly pops don't pitch in October.

 

Matter of fact.

Yelichs 2017 stats vs some of the greats:

 

Scherzer- BA .412 OPS 1.415

Kershaw- BA .455 OPS .955

DeGrom- BA .438 OPS .971

Kendrick- BA .400 OPS .928

 

This is how you win in the playoffs, because these are the type of guys you face in the playoffs.

 

I agree with you here that Yelich is that type, but I’d like to get to the playoffs first and I’m not willing to bet on that anytime soon.

[adambr2]

Stearns has been GM for what, 2 seasons now? Most of the prospects in the system actually weren't acquired by him. Hell, he didn't trade for Brinson and Ortiz until after Lucroy nixed the trade with Cleveland for what appears to have been a better package of prospects.

 

Granted the list hasn't been updated but our top 20 prospects from MLB Pipeline

 

Brinson - Stearns

Ray - Stearns

Ortiz - Stearns

Woodruff - Melvin

Hiura - Stearns

Diaz - Stearns

Burnes - Stearns (hey, that rhymes)

Lutz - Stearns

Dubon - Stearns

Erceg - Stearns

Peralta - Stearns

Phillips - Melvin

Grisham - Melvin

Harrison (Monte) - Melvin

Diplon - Melvin

Supak - Stearns

Harrison (K.J) - Stearns

Gatewood - Melvin

Nottingham - Stearns

Lemons - Stearns

 

That's 14 of the top 20 either traded for by Stearns or drafted under Stearns including 9 of the top 10. And that Cleveland deal sucked after Mejia and we're damn lucky Lucroy nixed the trade to them. Give me Brinson and Ortiz over Mejia and crap anyday.

 

Should be noted that the trade with Texas included Jeffress who had peak value at the time. Chang is a top 5 prospect in the Indians system so certainly better than crap. The Indians trade waa for Lucroy alone and not Jeffress.

[Fear The Chorizo]

what that list tells you is nothing more than Stearns has done a great job at improving the farm system over just 2 seasons, which I think everyone agrees on - there are still plenty of other prospects in the system he didn't acquire, and the 6 or so names on your list, that could be packaged to land impact MLB players. Or, if 2-3 of the prospects Stearns is responsible for in such a short time wind up netting the Brewers a Yelich-type player for the next 5 seasons, it's not the end of the world.

 

if Stearns' moves have had this much impact on the top 20 prospect list over just 2 seasons, I'm confident that he'll continue making draft picks and trades to further improve it. The system isn't in a state where losing two of the top 5 prospects will cripple the organization - that's where things were around the time of the Greinke and Marcum trades, and the string of poor drafts immediately afterward put the Brewers in the situation that led to Stearns being hired.

 

And I'd rather have Mejia than Brinson + Ortiz, btw. Chang isn't crap, either...

[KeithStone53151]

Brewers and Astro's value athleticism over production. Think 5 tool players at literally every position. Goldschmidt, Altuve, and McCutcheon in his prime are poster children for the Brewers. And maybe not even the strongest in one tool, but no weakness in any of the tools. Prince Fielder, Billy Hamilton, and Khris Davis are the antagonists of what the Brewers want. One trick ponies who have glaring weaknesses that can and will be exposed by not only pitchers, but especially "playoff" pitchers.

 

Hence the push for Yelich:

If you try to hit at him he will get you out.

If you try to run on him he will throw you out.

If he gets on base he will cause the pitcher headaches.

If a runner is at third he will find away to put the ball in play and get that player home .

If a strikeout is the worst case scenario when he is up, he will not strikeout.

If the pitcher makes a mistake he will take him yard.

 

Yelich and Braun will make the best pitchers quiver when they are up in a clutch situation. And that's how you build a playoff team. Not power hitters who put up 34 of their 41 HR's off of lolly pops. Lolly pops don't pitch in October.

 

Matter of fact.

Yelichs 2017 stats vs some of the greats:

 

Scherzer- BA .412 OPS 1.415

Kershaw- BA .455 OPS .955

DeGrom- BA .438 OPS .971

Kendrick- BA .400 OPS .928

 

This is how you win in the playoffs, because these are the type of guys you face in the playoffs.

 

You may be starting to sell me a bit on Yelich. Wow, that's impressive.

[MNBrew]

Straying here, but in terms of commodities and Stearns vs. Melvin, there's something to be said to looking at the MLB roster for context, too, not just the minors.

 

Last year's September roster (not counting guys not currently on the 40-man, such as Wang and FAs Swarzak & Walker):

 

Stearns acquisitions: Shaw, Sogard, Villar, Thames, Aguilar, Pina, Vogt, Anderson, Drake, Guerra, Knebel, Wilkerson, + also Bandy/Susac

 

Melvin acquisitions: Braun, Broxton, Santana, Phillips, Arcia, Perez, Nelson, Davies, Hader, Barnes, Jeffress (2x, Stearns 1x), Suter, Williams, Woodruff, + also Lopez, Houser

[trwi7]

Should be noted that the trade with Texas included Jeffress who had peak value at the time. Chang is a top 5 prospect in the Indians system so certainly better than crap. The Indians trade waa for Lucroy alone and not Jeffress.

 

He hit .220/.312/.461 this year and has a future 50 grade. Maybe not crap but certainly not anyone to get excited about and even then Ortiz has stagnated, I'd still rather have him.

 

And yeah Jeffress was included but he's not the type of reliever that commands a huge return. He's a lot closer to Jared Hughes than he is Aroldis Chapman.

[trwi7]

Straying here, but in terms of commodities and Stearns vs. Melvin, there's something to be said to looking at the MLB roster for context, too, not just the minors.

 

Last year's September roster (not counting guys not currently on the 40-man, such as Wang and FAs Swarzak & Walker):

 

Stearns acquisitions: Shaw, Sogard, Villar, Thames, Aguilar, Pina, Vogt, Anderson, Drake, Guerra, Knebel, Wilkerson, + also Bandy/Susac

 

Melvin acquisitions: Braun, Broxton, Santana, Phillips, Arcia, Perez, Nelson, Davies, Hader, Barnes, Jeffress (2x, Stearns 1x), Suter, Williams, Woodruff, + also Lopez, Houser

 

Knebel was Melvin, Broxton was Stearns

[MNBrew]

Jeffress was the closer at the time and pitching very well during his time in that role. Maybe Jeffress is closer to Hughes now, but he was definitely closer on the spectrum to Chapman than Hughes at the time the TX trade went down.

[brewcrewdue80]

Wow that took 30mins to catch up.

 

Understand if you get Yelich and 5 years of a kid all in prime aged years, you can trade him should fail over the next 3years and get back quality somewhere. And that's just it, if you're taking on guys like Yelich with multiple years of control, who is clearly a Great player, he holds value to return on this investment in to him.

 

HH's sting pretty much gives me the idea it's 2 top 100 prospects like Brinson and 1 of Burnes,Harrison, or Hiura with filler. Doubling up on OF's I would doubt so I expect Harrison to not go, but Burnes or Hiura. I'm going on Brinson and Hiura as 2b is needed more among Miami's prospect over a SP. And you know what, Dubon and Diaz are still here for 2b and the future. Yelich>Brinson I'm not going to shed a tear on losing Hiura.

[trwi7]

Jeffress was the closer at the time and pitching very well during his time in that role. Maybe Jeffress is closer to Hughes now, but he was definitely closer on the spectrum to Chapman than Hughes at the time the TX trade went down.

 

Groundball heavy pitchers that don't strike a lot of hitters out just don't have a ton of trade value.

[trwi7]

you can trade him should fail over the next 3years and get back quality somewhere.

 

So you fail over the next 3 years and now you're back where you started, except now Yelich is down to two years of control. Sounds great. This 86 win season was the worst thing that could've happened to this franchise.

[MNBrew]

Straying here, but in terms of commodities and Stearns vs. Melvin, there's something to be said to looking at the MLB roster for context, too, not just the minors.

 

Last year's September roster (not counting guys not currently on the 40-man, such as Wang and FAs Swarzak & Walker):

 

Stearns acquisitions: Shaw, Sogard, Villar, Thames, Aguilar, Pina, Vogt, Anderson, Drake, Guerra, Knebel, Wilkerson, + also Bandy/Susac

 

Melvin acquisitions: Braun, Broxton, Santana, Phillips, Arcia, Perez, Nelson, Davies, Hader, Barnes, Jeffress (2x, Stearns 1x), Suter, Williams, Woodruff, + also Lopez, Houser

 

Knebel was Melvin, Broxton was Stearns

Right. I forgot Aramis Ramirez only netted Barrios and that the Rogers trade with PIT was Stearns' move. Anyway, with that correction, the length of each list is unchanged.

[brewcrewdue80]

you can trade him should fail over the next 3years and get back quality somewhere.

 

So you fail over the next 3 years and now you're back where you started, except now Yelich is down to two years of control. Sounds great. This 86 win season was the worst thing that could've happened to this franchise.

 

Try looking at the bright side. Gotta understand fail isn't a 3 years of losing, but 3 years without winning the WS. The system is Deep. Way loaded with Talent. In 3 years you can move on from Yelich and you're inserting a Tristan Lutz or Grisham/Ray that are pushing for playing time. Yelich is an MVP vote getting type of player especially away from Miami. Brinson I highly doubt gives us that Once in the next 3 years.

 

I don't expect the cost to be insane as others are saying it'll take to get Yelich. It'll sting but when Yelich is out there posting 5WAR+ seasons it won't.

[MNBrew]

Jeffress was the closer at the time and pitching very well during his time in that role. Maybe Jeffress is closer to Hughes now, but he was definitely closer on the spectrum to Chapman than Hughes at the time the TX trade went down.

 

Groundball heavy pitchers that don't strike a lot of hitters out just don't have a ton of trade value.

Right. That's why it took Lucroy and Jeffress to net 3 of Texas' top 10 guys (Cordell was Top 10 by the time he was the PTBNL). I get the trade value point.

 

That said, Jeffress was a top-level guy at getting needed 9th inning outs for the time he was in that role, which is what Chapman does and nothing like what Hughes was doing at the time.

 

As the Brewers' closer, Jeffress had 35 Ks in 44.2 IP. That's not elite but 7.1 per 9 is hardly "not a lot."

[packer822]

for yelich....I would be ok with 4 of these 5....any way the marlins want them.... sweet Lew...Broxton..Ortiz....Dubon....Diplan....I would not include Monte....Erceg...I.Diaz...or Burnes