Boone Logan - $2.5M guaranteed

[adambr2]

If they want to DFA Logan I wish they would just go ahead and use his spot to select Nick Ramirez. I know they are skeptical but all the guy does is get betters out, his numbers as a reliever are just insane. Plus you can still have your LOOGY because the guy is just murder against lefties.

 

Then you can also carry an extra bench bat without sacrificing your bullpen depth.

 

If it doesn't work out, so be it, but at least you'll know. There's nothing to lose giving him a shot over someone with Logan's career numbers.

[adambr2]

Yeah, they've been using Logan for his intended purpose. He's just not getting it done.

[TURBO]

Kind of seems like his current intended purpose is to lose ballgames.

 

Too many other good options to continue to let this bum pitch.

 

I just don't understand moves like this.

[adambr2]

I agree and agreed in the game thread that there were certainly better options available than Logan.

 

With that said, kind of the whole point of a LOOGY is to have a guy you can bring in at anytime, in any situation and get a lefty or two out.

 

If you have to say "That's too high of a leverage situation to use our LOOGY," well, then he's not really a LOOGY.

[TigerUppercut]

Meanwhile, Taylor Williams essentially cost us two games this week. But he came up through the system so it's all good.

[adambr2]

Meanwhile, Taylor Williams essentially cost us two games this week. But he came up through the system so it's all good.

 

Yeah, put it all the feet of the guy who gave up the leadoff walk. Not the guy who gave up multiple damage after that with 2 walks and a laser off the wall and can't do the one and only thing he was signed to do. Makes sense.

 

I criticized Williams in the GT for the leadoff walk, its obviously not good but to essentially put it all on him because the guy who came in for him couldn't get an out lefty/lefty is laughable.

[TigerUppercut]

Meanwhile, Taylor Williams essentially cost us two games this week. But he came up through the system so it's all good.

 

Yeah, put it all the feet of the guy who gave up the leadoff walk. Not the guy who gave up multiple damage after that with 2 walks and a laser off the wall and can't do the one and only thing he was signed to do. Makes sense.

 

I criticized Williams in the GT for the leadoff walk, its obviously not good but to essentially put it all on him because the guy who came in for him couldn't get an out lefty/lefty is laughable.

 

Well then. I guess you're laughing at a 40% probability because that's what happens when you walk the leadoff hitter in major league baseball. That's about as sure a thing as you get in baseball from an offensive standpoint as nothing comes easy. You're right, downright laughable.

[brewmann04]

Logan should be gone bad move and take Bandy with him at this point.

yes Williams need to find the strike zone or should find himself in triple a

[adambr2]

Meanwhile, Taylor Williams essentially cost us two games this week. But he came up through the system so it's all good.

 

Yeah, put it all the feet of the guy who gave up the leadoff walk. Not the guy who gave up multiple damage after that with 2 walks and a laser off the wall and can't do the one and only thing he was signed to do. Makes sense.

 

I criticized Williams in the GT for the leadoff walk, its obviously not good but to essentially put it all on him because the guy who came in for him couldn't get an out lefty/lefty is laughable.

 

Well then. I guess you're laughing at a 40% probability because that's what happens when you walk the leadoff hitter in major league baseball. That's about as sure a thing as you get in baseball from an offensive standpoint as nothing comes easy. You're right, downright laughable.

 

Once again. I am not excusing Williams.

 

But for you to put it all on him by saying "he essentially cost us 2 games", thereby totally excusing the guy who came in and gave up all kind of damage after leading to the actual runs, yes, it's completely laughable.

[Never Outhustled]

I just never understood why they rushed Logan through the rehab process. They could have kept him down longer, why didn't they? They seem to be in love with the guy, I just don't see when he earned that admiration? It just seems out of character for the organization.

[Austin Tatious]

Kudos to Adam for calling Boone out before anything happpened.

 

Taylor Williams needs to go down to work on the BB. It’s his only real bugaboo and I’m high on him. He just needs some work to do.

 

Barnes is not perfect, but sending him down was one of the more surprising things to happen this season.

 

In any event, for a team relying on impact relief pitching in a lot of toss up games, we can’t afford a weak link like Logan. At least see if he can rehabilitate himself in the minors.

[adambr2]

Kudos to Adam for calling Boone out before anything happpened.

 

Taylor Williams needs to go down to work on the BB. It’s his only real bugaboo and I’m high on him. He just needs some work to do.

 

Barnes is not perfect, but sending him down was one of the more surprising things to happen this season.

 

In any event, for a team relying on impact relief pitching in a lot of toss up games, we can’t afford a weak link like Logan. At least see if he can rehabilitate himself in the minors.

 

Right on all. I wouldn't have a problem with Williams going down for a bit.

 

All I was saying was this -- look, we all know leadoff walks are bad. I called Peralta out for it yesterday and Williams for it today.

 

But truth of the matter is, if Logan does his job, like Jeffress has bailing out baserunners for others many times, no one even remembers it. 60% of the time, you are still going to get out of that.

 

He does his job neither time, so both times the blame goes back to Williams for allowing a single baserunner to reach 1st? Uh, no.

 

Also, sometimes context matters. Williams was brought in in the 7th and quickly retired 2 batters, one by K. Then he faces a very good hitter in Dozier, gets ahead 0-2 and ends up losing him. Sucks, yeah. Happens, yeah. Overall, Williams pitched well today.

 

So Logan comes in for the lefty, throws a wild pitch to advance the runner and quickly walks the next one on 5 pitches. Gets a groundout, and then gets yet another crack at a lefty and gives up an absolute laser off the wall for the go-ahead and insurance run.

 

And that sequence is on Williams? No, that's crap and a pretty clear indication of a strong bias.

[brewmann04]

Williams should be on a short lease.

Logan and Bandy should be off this team.

[LouisEly]

I guess you're laughing at a 40% probability because that's what happens when you walk the leadoff hitter in major league baseball. That's about as sure a thing as you get in baseball from an offensive standpoint as nothing comes easy. You're right, downright laughable.

Even if Williams gets the leadoff guy I think it's highly likely that Counsell still brings in Logan with Kepler, Rosario, and Morrison coming up. In that case, Logan only gives up one run, but the Brewers still lose.

[clancyphile]

Meanwhile, Taylor Williams essentially cost us two games this week. But he came up through the system so it's all good.

 

Logan had 12 years in the majors and cost $2.5 million. He's 33, albeit with an uptick in his K/9.

 

Williams is 26, he is still a rookie. He has the second-best K/9 ratio on the team (13.8), behind Hader's 18.4. He profiles like Derrick Turnbow: Lots of strikeouts, lot of walks.

[wildcat83]

The useage of Logan is really odd to me. Counsel made Knebel pitch like 3 times in low leverage spots when he came back, but yet Logan is activated and keeps getting trotted out in tie games late. Makes no sense to me.

[TJseven7]

This is why I was concerned about forcing open a spot for Logan. We made our pen worse by doing so. We already had plenty of lefties.

 

Logan needs a very short leash and one more outing like today and he's got to go. Literally the only reason he was signed was to get lefties out. He is worthless to us if he can't do that.

 

Well drake was a roogy who we used as a normal rp. Logan is a loogy who we use as a typical rp. We need to stop adding specialists and not using them in their role. Just bring back barnes and be done with it.

 

You should probably check out Boone’s stats vs LH batters

 

His stats vs LHB is irrelevant. He's brought in to be a loogey. Drake's old role. Like drake they dont use him as a loogey. They use him in high leverage and he fails. It's been a doubled edged sword with the both of them... not only are they used wrong but they also can't do the job they are supposed to handle.

 

We love running bp guys multi innings... we found jennings... drake and logan types are obsolete in this model.

 

And blaming Williams for Logan is evoking anchorman quotes. They score 40% of the time 100% of the time.

 

Sure barnes williams play with fire but they also have the stuff to get themselves out of harms way.

[PeaveyFury]

His stats vs LHB is irrelevant. He's brought in to be a loogey. Drake's old role. Like drake they dont use him as a loogey. They use him in high leverage and he fails.

 

So he's only allowed to face LHB in low-leverage situations? How useful is that even in theory?

[MrTPlush]

Boone Logan has pitched two innings people...breath. That’s like demanding to release a starter after one start. You gotta give him time. I mean at least 10 appearances at the very least to not sound completely reactionary.

[adambr2]

Boone Logan has pitched two innings people...breath. That’s like demanding to release a starter after one start. You gotta give him time. I mean at least 10 appearances at the very least to not sound completely reactionary.

 

10 appearances? I'm not calling for Logan's immediate release. But LOOGYs are a little bit different animal. If they're not getting it done a good 80% of the time against lefties, you don't wait around all that long waiting for it to happen.

 

This is not calling for Hader to go to AAA after 2 bad appearances or Yelich to be benched after an 0 for 15 stretch. This is much closer to a Tommy Milone 'cut your losses and move on' situation. You don't need to be all that patient with a 33 year journeyman with a career 4.48 ERA and 1.45 WHIP.

[BuckyBrewer61]

Boone Logan has pitched two innings people...breath. That’s like demanding to release a starter after one start. You gotta give him time. I mean at least 10 appearances at the very least to not sound completely reactionary.

 

You don't need to be all that patient with a 33 year journeyman with a career 4.48 ERA and 1.45 WHIP.

 

At the very least, if you are going to be patient, be patient in games that aren't close. Not tie games in the 8th with a runner on when Albers is available.

[Fear The Chorizo]

What made that 8th inning blow up yesterday was the pitch early in the count to logan's 1st hitter that squirted past Bandy and got williams' leadoff walk to 2nd with no outs. That led to Logan nibbling the rest of that AB and walking another guy, then getting a loud out to move the runners to 2nd and 3rd. An IBB to bring another lefty to the plate that logan can't get out.

 

It's been posted before, but williams' erratic control and logan's struggles led to the last two losses. I don't get opening the 8th with Williams after he already gave them a solid inning instead of just giving Albers the 8th. CC must have been dead set on logan facing the lefties and kept Williams in so as not to burn Albers after 1 hitter - he shouldn't be considering logan a LOOGY right now. Sprinkle in watching Bandy not being good at catching and striking out in a few key spots yesterday and the weak links of the current roster cost the brewers dearly.

[hurricanecrush]

Boone Logan has pitched two innings people...breath. That’s like demanding to release a starter after one start. You gotta give him time. I mean at least 10 appearances at the very least to not sound completely reactionary.

Haha, you must be new here... you have no recollection of the reaction to Chacin's first start?

[StearnsFTW]

What made that 8th inning blow up yesterday was the pitch early in the count to logan's 1st hitter that squirted past Bandy and got williams' leadoff walk to 2nd with no outs. That led to Logan nibbling the rest of that AB and walking another guy, then getting a loud out to move the runners to 2nd and 3rd. An IBB to bring another lefty to the plate that logan can't get out.

 

It's been posted before, but williams' erratic control and logan's struggles led to the last two losses. I don't get opening the 8th with Williams after he already gave them a solid inning instead of just giving Albers the 8th. CC must have been dead set on logan facing the lefties and kept Williams in so as not to burn Albers after 1 hitter - he shouldn't be considering logan a LOOGY right now. Sprinkle in watching Bandy not being good at catching and striking out in a few key spots yesterday and the weak links of the current roster cost the brewers dearly.

 

I agree with your post. Just had to chuckle at the "loud out" that got the guys to 2nd and 3rd. That was the least loud out ever.

[Fear The Chorizo]

What made that 8th inning blow up yesterday was the pitch early in the count to logan's 1st hitter that squirted past Bandy and got williams' leadoff walk to 2nd with no outs. That led to Logan nibbling the rest of that AB and walking another guy, then getting a loud out to move the runners to 2nd and 3rd. An IBB to bring another lefty to the plate that logan can't get out.

 

It's been posted before, but williams' erratic control and logan's struggles led to the last two losses. I don't get opening the 8th with Williams after he already gave them a solid inning instead of just giving Albers the 8th. CC must have been dead set on logan facing the lefties and kept Williams in so as not to burn Albers after 1 hitter - he shouldn't be considering logan a LOOGY right now. Sprinkle in watching Bandy not being good at catching and striking out in a few key spots yesterday and the weak links of the current roster cost the brewers dearly.

 

I agree with your post. Just had to chuckle at the "loud out" that got the guys to 2nd and 3rd. That was the least loud out ever.

 

lol - yep I messed that part of my sequence up...I was at the game yesterday and apparently replaced the dribbler to third with one of the deep flies to Cain and Perez earlier in that game in my mind.