Alex Cobb (Part 1)

[DR28]

I just hope he bats. Bartolo batting is a saving grace of no nl dh.

 

As far as being hot on cobb still... hes the 1 i want and I'm goid there. We also are wanting to see archer pitch this spring before upping our offer on him? I sure hope we don't pay anything close to whats rumored for Archer.

 

Reading HH tweet again... I think he means want to watch Archer pitch before upticking pursuit on Cobb.

[TJseven7]

I just hope he bats. Bartolo batting is a saving grace of no nl dh.

 

As far as being hot on cobb still... hes the 1 i want and I'm goid there. We also are wanting to see archer pitch this spring before upping our offer on him? I sure hope we don't pay anything close to whats rumored for Archer.

 

I hope Archer looks like crap... We need to keep Burnes and Peralta.

 

Sign Cobb, keep Santana and see what happens.

 

Anderson

Cobb

Davies

Chacin

Woodruff

 

Cain

Yelich

Braun

Shaw

Santana

Pina

Arcia

Villar

 

Fangraphs numbers on pitch value show some serious concern that Archer moving on from a sinking FB doesn't play in this era. He's nearly 50% fb (only has 3 pitches) and people are sitting on it. If he doesn't change his fb he's a 4.0 guy. Innings hog flashy 4.0 era guy. Hasn't thrown the sinking fb in 3 years.

 

Ill be much happier with an addition of cobb and his multiple pitches that hinder lift.

 

Also can we bat villar 9th. Him infront of a pitcher screams high Ks.

 

Ps: do not mention he who shall not be named. Don't need people getting jealous.

[brewmann04]

Archer not worth the pitching prospects they are asking for please DS dont do it

[KeithStone53151]

HH tweeted that the Braves and Nationals are in on Cobb. I buy the agent might have told the brewers that, but I don't really buy either team as after Cobb's services. Braves are like the 2013 mets on steroids with pitching prospects, no system has more quality arms. I don't know that they want to block any of those prospects. The Nationals maybe, but I think they'd be more inclined to target holland...and they don't exactly have a ton of room under the cap. Signing either guy leaves them maybe 3-5 million under the luxury tax for in season maneuvering.

[nate82]

HH tweeted that the Braves and Nationals are in on Cobb. I buy the agent might have told the brewers that, but I don't really buy either team as after Cobb's services. Braves are like the 2013 mets on steroids with pitching prospects, no system has more quality arms. I don't know that they want to block any of those prospects. The Nationals maybe, but I think they'd be more inclined to target holland...and they don't exactly have a ton of room under the cap. Signing either guy leaves them maybe 3-5 million under the luxury tax for in season maneuvering.

 

The Braves might be moving one of their prospects or thinking of moving one of their pitching prospects. The Braves need some OF help wherever Acuna is not playing. They have a good CF in Inciarte and Acuna can play either RF or LF for the Braves I am thinking he probably plays RF unless they find someone who is better defensively in RF. The Braves wanted Yelich but didn't want to give up Acuna for him as they wanted an OF in 2018-2019 of Yelich in LF Inciarte in CF and Acuna in RF.

 

The Braves are obviously looking for OF help but I am not sure Santana is a fit though I wish he would be as an Allard for Santana makes some sense for the Braves and the Brewers though I think the Brewers would have to add someone else in the trade for this to work.

 

If the Braves move one of their pitching prospects for someone like Santana signing Cobb would make some sense for them. McCarthy and Kazmir haven't really been the healthiest pitchers in the last couple of years and the Braves may want to have a veteran mixed in with all of their younger pitchers. Cobb makes sense here if they trade one of their pitching prospects for OF help.

[DR28]

HH tweeted that the Braves and Nationals are in on Cobb. I buy the agent might have told the brewers that, but I don't really buy either team as after Cobb's services. Braves are like the 2013 mets on steroids with pitching prospects, no system has more quality arms. I don't know that they want to block any of those prospects. The Nationals maybe, but I think they'd be more inclined to target holland...and they don't exactly have a ton of room under the cap. Signing either guy leaves them maybe 3-5 million under the luxury tax for in season maneuvering.

 

The Braves might be moving one of their prospects or thinking of moving one of their pitching prospects. The Braves need some OF help wherever Acuna is not playing. They have a good CF in Inciarte and Acuna can play either RF or LF for the Braves I am thinking he probably plays RF unless they find someone who is better defensively in RF. The Braves wanted Yelich but didn't want to give up Acuna for him as they wanted an OF in 2018-2019 of Yelich in LF Inciarte in CF and Acuna in RF.

 

The Braves are obviously looking for OF help but I am not sure Santana is a fit though I wish he would be as an Allard for Santana makes some sense for the Braves and the Brewers though I think the Brewers would have to add someone else in the trade for this to work.

 

If the Braves move one of their pitching prospects for someone like Santana signing Cobb would make some sense for them. McCarthy and Kazmir haven't really been the healthiest pitchers in the last couple of years and the Braves may want to have a veteran mixed in with all of their younger pitchers. Cobb makes sense here if they trade one of their pitching prospects for OF help.

 

I'm guessing Dickerson lands in Atlanta.

[Jopal78]

Atlanta already has Julio Teheran, Brandon McCarthy, Mike Foltynewicz penciled in for their rotation. Sean Newcomb, Max Fried, and Lucas Sims were all first round picks looking to crack their rotation with Luiz Gohara likely knocking on the door. Now add in Scott Kazmir and his 17.6 million dollar contract, and I don't see the need for a starter in Atlanta, especially one that will more likely than not be paid in the 18-20 million dollar per year range Finally, Braves are already at 116 million, to add another 18 to 20 million would push their payroll to an all time high for a team that is likely an also ran in 2018.

[pacopete4]

HighHeat19 now tweeting gifs of Cobb. Boy, that guy knows how to get peoples wheels spinning lol.

[Madhawk23]

I'm going to take that GIF that he posted as a sign that a Cobb signing should be happening any moment now. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I'm going to be awfully disappointed if we don't have some Cobb news by the end of the day.

[bill hAll Star]

The 2nd one "Stean'[sic]s waiting on on Cobb's agent" might suggest that the Brewers have offered a 5th year.

[TJseven7]

HighHeat19 now tweeting gifs of Cobb. Boy, that guy knows how to get peoples wheels spinning lol.

 

Yeah cobb celebrating no less... I'm really hopeful we land him.

 

If we add him 60/4 or less I'm perfectly ok with rolling out our 6-7-8 of C 2b arcia in some order. I'd prefer a 2b and C that can be trusted a bit more but the rotation and pen looks good so I'll accept the late order question marks.

 

5 years seems too strong but I'd be ok if the 5th drops the aav south of 15 mil.

[pacopete4]

If it does happen, please let it be a 4-year deal.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'd be fine with a 4-year deal with a mutual 5th year option.

[TJseven7]

If its 70/5... 15 15 15 15 10 I won't grumble too much.

 

30-34 isn't a death sentence. Low arm wear... plays this year at 30. 5 on him is less risky than 6 on Darvish.

[Boomer5]

No one is offering Cobb 5 years.

 

Fwiw steamer has him at 8-8 4.43 ERA in 135 innings.

[RollieTime]

If its 70/5... 15 15 15 15 10 I won't grumble too much.

 

30-34 isn't a death sentence. Low arm wear... plays this year at 30. 5 on him is less risky than 6 on Darvish.

 

I agree completely. 4/60 would be ideal, but a 5 year deal at a lower cost per year wouldn’t be too bad. I see Cobb as being the most productive signing out of the 4 big starting pitchers available this offseason.

[jonescm128]

If its 70/5... 15 15 15 15 10 I won't grumble too much.

 

30-34 isn't a death sentence. Low arm wear... plays this year at 30. 5 on him is less risky than 6 on Darvish.

 

I agree completely. 4/60 would be ideal, but a 5 year deal at a lower cost per year wouldn’t be too bad. I see Cobb as being the most productive signing out of the 4 big starting pitchers available this offseason.

 

I still want Arrieta because I am petty and want him to stick it to the Cubs

[tmwiese55]

In this market you'd have to think 4 years is the most he's getting. Of course I'm no expert but sure seems that way, we'll see. Maybe the 4th as a player option for him in case he's done well and wants to try and cash in again?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

No one is offering Cobb 5 years.

 

Fwiw steamer has him at 8-8 4.43 ERA in 135 innings.

 

They have Chase Anderson at 9-11 and a 4.76. Archer is at 12-11 with a 3.49. Those projections amount to a hill of beans.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Well, our resident insider has now guaranteed Cobb will be signed.

[bill hAll Star]

HH19 went back and said Cobb will be a Brewer and if not he'll delete the account similar to the tweet from a few days ago. Seems to maybe just be more of an assurance that they've signed him on his side if he's to be trusted.

[Boomer5]

No one is offering Cobb 5 years.

 

Fwiw steamer has him at 8-8 4.43 ERA in 135 innings.

 

They have Chase Anderson at 9-11 and a 4.76. Archer is at 12-11 with a 3.49. Those projections amount to a hill of beans.

 

I think the point is Cobb is just a guy who no one would realistically see him as an anchor to a rotation (4.16 FIP) so a 5 year deal isn't something one would expect.

 

I'd definitely take him as our 3/4 but never at a big money long term deal. Too many arm problems and not enough upside to see him beyond a nice pitcher to have.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

No one is offering Cobb 5 years.

 

Fwiw steamer has him at 8-8 4.43 ERA in 135 innings.

 

They have Chase Anderson at 9-11 and a 4.76. Archer is at 12-11 with a 3.49. Those projections amount to a hill of beans.

 

I think the point is Cobb is just a guy who no one would realistically see him as an anchor to a rotation (4.16 FIP) so a 5 year deal isn't something one would expect.

 

I'd definitely take him as our 3/4 but never at a big money long term deal. Too many arm problems and not enough upside to see him beyond a nice pitcher to have.

 

I see Cobb as pretty much a richer man's version of Chase Anderson. While Anderson isn't a world beater, if you could plug 3-4 of him into your rotation, that is a playoff-contending rotation. Yes, it would be great to have that high-end #1 guy, but those are so tough to come by, and it doesn't appear that any are even available this year. Stroman comes close, and guys like Archer and Fulmer have that ability, but all have question marks. As does Arrieta.

[bill hAll Star]

No one is offering Cobb 5 years.

 

Fwiw steamer has him at 8-8 4.43 ERA in 135 innings.

 

They have Chase Anderson at 9-11 and a 4.76. Archer is at 12-11 with a 3.49. Those projections amount to a hill of beans.

 

I think the point is Cobb is just a guy who no one would realistically see him as an anchor to a rotation (4.16 FIP) so a 5 year deal isn't something one would expect.

 

I'd definitely take him as our 3/4 but never at a big money long term deal. Too many arm problems and not enough upside to see him beyond a nice pitcher to have.

 

If we ever have a 1 or 2 to go with the 3/4 that you are assuming Cobb to be, that player will very likely come up on a rookie contract/pre-arby contract. There are very few pitchers that I see that we could trade for that would come at a high salary cost. And if we aren't getting one now, we never are getting an Arrieta or even better "1 or 2" type in free agency.

[pacopete4]

Cobb >> Odorizzi. So I'm good with that decision if it does happen.