Josh Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns

[Jenkins5]

for those that think this is a good decision, you are going to play for free for a season instead of making millions of dollars in the NFL. If you are as good as NFL scouts think you are go to the browns and play well and you can leave after 4-5 seasons. Most top rookie quarterbacks end up in bad situations and its not like the Giants are a significantly better one (Id argue a worse one).

 

If I was from a long line of wealth & power as Rosen.... I’m fine working for free. His family money makes Manziel look middle of road. He’s not Darnold from humble rural family who can give back to his family. He’s just another millionaire in the line.

 

How many QBs put in bad situations make it 4-5 years? Doesn’t matter how good you are. Sadly it happens every year to these kids & careers over are before they start. NFL is not forgive. He gets two years to prove himself on a bad team then he is wrote of as a bust. Most frustrating is many of their careers would be fine if teams would let them learn & develop first. Wait until they are ready to go. However there is so much pressure for teams to feed them to the wolves. They are put in position to fail.

 

Giants before season had high hopes but injuries & bad management hurt a lot. However, they are not a bad situation. They have been steady and competive for long time. Plus, if they keep Eli, it’s a perfect situation.

[GAME05]

Reminds me of Jake Locker, who was going to be the #1 overall pick, stayed in school, and then went something like 10th. That's a lotta money to be turning down. Or maybe he still comes out, but saying this simply guarantees he won't go to the Browns but instead be a 2-4 pick and make basically the same money but on a different team.

 

The Browns' history has been terrible, sure, but they have new personnel in place. I can blame the current people for the current problems, but can't blame them for mistakes made by others.

 

At the very worst Rosen plays out his rookie contract, refuses to sign and extension and makes bank as a franchise player for three years, then he's a FA.

[LouisEly]

Everyone said Goff, Wentz, and Bortles were busts after their rookie year. I think they said the same thing about Rodgers after his rookie year (or at least his rookie camp).

 

I find it laughable to call any QB a bust after their rookie year.

[pacopete4]

Everyone said Goff, Wentz, and Bortles were busts after their rookie year. I think they said the same thing about Rodgers after his rookie year (or at least his rookie camp).

 

I find it laughable to call any QB a bust after their rookie year.

 

Agreed. And the same goes for anointing these guys after a few games. People are way too reactionary in the now these days. Myself included.

[nate82]

 

At the very worst Rosen plays out his rookie contract, refuses to sign and extension and makes bank as a franchise player for three years, then he's a FA.

 

Except that is not the very worst as with the NFL recently if he starts to get hit a lot and gets a concussion because the Browns offense completely sucks and then he is out of the league before his rookie contract even expires. Then at best he is a backup QB in the league and maybe just maybe a team takes a chance on him because they are also really bad and the cycle starts all over again.

 

I don't see a problem with Rosen not wanting to be drafted by the Browns he can say that and should. At least he is letting the team know he doesn't want to be there why would you want to draft someone who doesn't want to be on your team? Isn't that the first thing you want to know as a coach or GM is if that player wants to be on your team? If they do not then why even try to sign, draft, or trade for that player?

 

The only morons in this situation would be the Browns if they drafted him and knew he didn't want to play for them. Not only does the players value drop so you are going to get less in a trade but you also put yourself in a bind. The Browns need more than a QB to be a good team so I don't see why they would even be targeting a QB at the #1 spot. Rosen isn't even a player I thought about at the #1 spot coming into this season. Actually I don't think there is anyone in college football that I can say is a #1 type no brainer draft pick especially at the QB spot.

 

I like Jackson a lot but he is not a #1 pick type player maybe a 5-10 type pick but not a #1 pick type player. Jackson is actually the QB I think the Browns should get and they can use that #1 pick to get another 2nd round pick plus probably another 3rd round pick this year. To me with the holes that the Browns need to fill having more picks is a smarter choice than going with a QB at #1 who isn't really a franchise changing QB.

[paul253]

Everyone understands the way the system works, but why should someone be called a moron for using what little leverage they have to try to get out of a situation they don't want to be in?

 

People aren’t calling him a moron because of him trying to get out of playing in Cleveland. It’s because of how big of a risk he’s taking if he doesn’t come out. If he’s comes out now he’ll be picked either first or second. That is ALOT of money. I get that he doesn’t care about money but turning down millions of dollars AND risking even more by playing another year in college is very very risky. Perhaps he’ll care about the money when he retires at 35.

 

Even if all goes well next year at UCLA and he’s a top pick again, guess what, he’s going to be picked by a bad team again. And it might not be one like Cleveland who is loaded with high picks to surround him with talent. And yes maybe he’ll go to a team that sits him for a year (Cleveland may even do that if Kizer shows them something so they can increase Kizers value to trade him) but as a top pick he’s not getting 3-4 years to learn like Rogers. He’ll be expected to play early no matter where he is. If teams have a better option they aren’t going to pick him.

 

Ultimately I think Cleveland picks Rosen 1 then trades 4 to add an additional second or third round pick.

[homer]

Rosen is a millionaire whether he gets drafted 1st drafted 30th or quits football to teach kindergarten.

[Jenkins5]

It is an awful part of the game and how fans & ownership demand instant success from these guys. As someone mentioned above, Goff was almost written off by his short rookie stint on a bad team. If he would have had struggles this year, he'd be close to written off. Luckily Rams made the best coaching hire in off-season with an offensive guru in McVay and surrounded him with good players on both sides of the ball. Bortles had strong rookie season, regressed in 2nd year and people were calling for his head in the off-season and early in the year. Kid is in year three. There is zero patience from these franchises and fans to do what is needed. You sit the kids and let them learn the way Brady, Rodgers, Rivers, and etc were until they prove ready. Learning and developing still matters. Browns aren't going to allow Rosen that opportunity

[sveumrules]

At the very worst Rosen plays out his rookie contract, refuses to sign and extension and makes bank as a franchise player for three years, then he's a FA.

 

This is actually much closer to a best case scenario than a worst case scenario as it assumes Rosen will stay healthy & productive throughout the duration of time you mentioned. It's far more likely he doesn't live up to the hype or is injured at some point along the way than it is he signs three franchise tenders.

[CheezWizHed]

a true leader never backs down from a challenge. I despised Eli Manning for doing the same thing.

[tmwiese55]

He shouldn't go back to UCLA to avoid the Browns. With new coaches coming in and that he's for sure a top 10 pick he should go now. However, if he doesn't want to play there he should just refuse to meet with Cle and tell them the whole time he won't play there. Yea he becomes the jerk but it's worked for a few QBs over the years. The three I can think of of Steve Young, Elway, and Eli all worked out pretty well. I could be remembering incorrectly on Young, but I thought he signed with USFL to avoid a team like Tampa.

 

The Browns have been a joke for 30 years and if you're a west coast guy that's the last place you'd want to live. Sure they might be about to turn it around but they've been saying that for 20 years, can't blame him for doing what he can to avoid that situation. Especially with two NY teams picking right behind them who also need QBs.

[brwrsfan]

I've said it in a previous post...but the Browns are in a prime spot to turn this around. Say what you want about an LA guy not wanting to live in Cleveland, but on the field...

 

Decent defense, with decent pieces. Solid WR core (Gordon potentially, Coleman and I'd expect a Pryor reunion here) and the TE they just drafted whose name is escaping me.

 

110+ million in cap space

 

2 top 5 picks this year (including number 1)

3 second round picks this year (2 in the top 5 of the round)

2 third round picks (including the top pick)

 

Throw in a rookie QB this year and you have another top ten pick next year most likely and you can build in a hurry. They have to get these picks right obviously, but maybe they go QB and LT in round one, or QB and RB (Barkley) or whatever they choose to do, they'll have a TON of option and could really build a team much much better than the 0-16 record they put up IMO.

[tmwiese55]

Yea I get that, but they've been picking top 5 for 20 years and have nothing to show for it. Of course, this might be the time it works out with a seemingly have a proven good GM now, but history speaks for itself. I don't blame a QB for not wanting to go there if he has the balls to be the 'jerk' and subsequent pressure that comes from it. And likely pressure of NY media spotlight if he ends up there

[RockCoCougars]

If smart, the Browns should focus on the front 7 in this draft, in particular their LB are brutal. Garrett would be an absolute beast with more talent surrounding him. In that division, building a defense would be their path to respectability. They need to resist the urge to make a splash with an offensive player at one and trade that pick for multiple picks in the top half of the draft.

[nate82]

If smart, the Browns should focus on the front 7 in this draft, in particular their LB are brutal. Garrett would be an absolute beast with more talent surrounding him. In that division, building a defense would be their path to respectability. They need to resist the urge to make a splash with an offensive player at one and trade that pick for multiple picks in the top half of the draft.

 

I think the Browns could also draft Saquon Barkley and be ok though I do agree with you that trading for multiple picks would be the best strategy for them.

[Jaylyn]

If smart, the Browns should focus on the front 7 in this draft, in particular their LB are brutal. Garrett would be an absolute beast with more talent surrounding him. In that division, building a defense would be their path to respectability. They need to resist the urge to make a splash with an offensive player at one and trade that pick for multiple picks in the top half of the draft.

 

I think the Browns could also draft Saquon Barkley and be ok though I do agree with you that trading for multiple picks would be the best strategy for them.

 

That's exactly what they should do, draft Barkley first and trade down from four into the area of one of the two Notre Dame OL are being slotted or a DE/OLB in that area.

Honestly, watched the Browns twice and come away a little impressed with Kizer, yeah he does suffer from judgement errors, but a lot of them are correctable with experience and coaching. Give him some help and i think he will flourish. If I'm the Browns I would let it out that it's 50/50 they draft Rosen, just to mess with him and let the rest of NFL know what his character is.

If the Browns go the QB route, the Packers should inquire if Kizer is available. How about Hundley for Kizer? lol

[jerichoholicninja]

Can we change the name of the thread to "Josh Rosen is NOT a moron"?

[tmwiese55]

Have to love the NFL. Questioning a kids character because he's honest about not wanting to play somewhere and honest about the bs structure of the NCAA. Yet, Jameis was #1 consensus with multiple sexual assault accusations.

[CheezWizHed]

Can we change the name of the thread to "Josh Rosen is NOT a moron"?

 

No, but I did change it to something more neutral