Josh Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns

[patrickgpe]

https://sports.yahoo.com/josh-rosen-might-stay-ucla-avoid-drafted-browns-161252204.html

 

I know this has been out for a few week, but saw the article come through again today. To leave a full years salary on the table and a have to wait an additional season to hit free agency because there is a chance that the browns take you is dumb

 

I haven't really started looking at mock drafts but i think there is an equally good chance Darnold gets taken #1 and an outside chance its Barley. Also If Im Dorsey, I would just take Darnold anyway rather than avoid the drama with Rosen.

 

I hate it when college players pull what Manning did and it appears what Rosen is doing.

[young guns]

I dont know if i could make the same decision, but i can certainly understand not wanting to play for the browns.

[patrickgpe]

Well they have a new GM and if he can turn it around he would be a hero in Cleveland forever.

[superfly]

Who is the last QB to come through the Browns organization and reach any semblance of their potential? It's a smart decision all the way around New York over that crap hole in my opinion.

[jjgott]

It will be great when Cleveland goes 0-16 05 1-15 again next year and he's stuck with them.

[PeaveyFury]

Matt Leinart is enough of a reason why this is a bad decision. To potentially go from #1 overall money to 5-10 if he has a bad year or if someone else comes along that is better is pure lunacy.

[paul253]

Why anyone would pass up being the number 1 overall pick is beyond my comprehension. You go back because you don’t want to play in Cleveland and then you tear an ACL and all of a sudden you’re a fourth round pick. Cleveland will have two top 7 picks and a bunch of second rounders. They’ll get better. I’d rather be known as the guy who helped turn around the franchise then the guy who refused to play there.

[brwrsfan]

As much as we love to make fun of the Browns, paul253 is correct here. They actually have some decent building blocks, they have two top 10 picks, a bunch of second rounders and they'll likely be picking in the top 5 next year too. If they hit on those picks (and those are big ifs), but 3 top 10 picks, picks at the top of the second round...they can actually rebound relatively quickly potentially.

 

They still lack a QB, but whatever QB finally resurrects that franchise will be a legend in that city. As others have said, I'd laugh hysterically if Rosen goes back and the Browns take him next year.

[nate82]

Any QB that is not going to be a Michael Vick like QB in Cleveland is going to have a hard time. I don't think Rosen is really a fit for Cleveland unless they get a new offensive line. The Browns really need to focus on the offensive line well before they get a QB otherwise it is not going to matter who they draft they could draft the 2nd coming of Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and neither of those two QB's would be successful with the offensive line the Browns have right now.

 

I don't think Rosen is a moron as his career will basically end in Cleveland with the way the team is built right now. He wouldn't even make it to FA before having to retire because of injuries. It is what happened to David Carr, Tim Couch, and other QB's who come in to the league with an absolutely pathetic offensive line and no running game. The Browns should be looking at drafting OL, DL, RB, WR, and TE well before they start drafting a QB. Lamar Jackson is probably the best QB for the Browns right now as he is more of an athletic QB and I think he could be had in the middle of the 1st round. Really Rosen or anyone else shouldn't even be a target for the Browns right now with the holes they have in the OL.

[molitor fan]

From SI:

Josh's father, Charles Rosen, is a spine surgeon who was on President Obama's short list for surgeon general. Josh's mother, Liz Lippincott, is a former editor at Sportstyle and Golfpro magazines, and both are accomplished ice dancers. (They divorced in 2012.) Lippincott, a Princeton graduate, is the great-great-granddaughter of Joseph Wharton, who founded the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. She's also the great-great-granddaughter of Joshua Ballinger Lippincott, who founded the J.B. Lippincott publishing company in 1836. Josh, the middle of three kids, is named after him. "I come from a wealthy, affluent, educated family," Rosen says. "I mean, not like get-a-Lambo-for-my-16th-birthday- wealthy, but like, affluent."

[wallus]

Any QB that is not going to be a Michael Vick like QB in Cleveland is going to have a hard time. I don't think Rosen is really a fit for Cleveland unless they get a new offensive line. The Browns really need to focus on the offensive line well before they get a QB otherwise it is not going to matter who they draft they could draft the 2nd coming of Tom Brady or Peyton Manning and neither of those two QB's would be successful with the offensive line the Browns have right now.

 

I don't think Rosen is a moron as his career will basically end in Cleveland with the way the team is built right now. He wouldn't even make it to FA before having to retire because of injuries. It is what happened to David Carr, Tim Couch, and other QB's who come in to the league with an absolutely pathetic offensive line and no running game. The Browns should be looking at drafting OL, DL, RB, WR, and TE well before they start drafting a QB. Lamar Jackson is probably the best QB for the Browns right now as he is more of an athletic QB and I think he could be had in the middle of the 1st round. Really Rosen or anyone else shouldn't even be a target for the Browns right now with the holes they have in the OL.

 

Granted, this was in October but PFF had very nice things to say about the Cleveland offensive line. At least enough to contradict what you are saying. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-average-grade-week-5 Once they get Joe Thomas back, I see wide receiver being a much bigger need on offense.

[paul253]

Cleveland can probably draft the best offensive lineman with their second pick which is currently #4 overall.

 

Or they could probably get a haul for #1 from someone who really wants Rosen, grab Jackson at 4 then draft two O linemen in the second round.

 

Or they could draft Rosen at one and trade 4.

 

Or draft Rosen at 1, a defender like Fitzpatrick at 4, then load up on the lines later in the draft.

 

They have so many options and all of them are good. But they need to make a plan. They should have looked ahead to this years QB class last draft and not wasted a second rounder on Kizer.

[Jenkins5]

I have zero issue with his decision. For one it is an extra year to prepare for NFL. The NFL no longer values development at QB. At least not for the teams at the bottom of pack. He won’t have chance to sit back like Rodgers, Favre, Brady, & so many other greats to learn the game first. Nor will be be placed in a decent situation. Like many he will be feed to the sharks before he is ready. His line & weapons won’t help him out. His career will be over before it can start as he is labeled a bust. It’s a story that most promising QBs endure.

 

He doesn’t care about the money or ego that goes with being #1 pick. Just maybe he wants to be a good NFL QB? Go to a team that has a system in place for him to be successful with a QB in place for him to sit behind. He is actually perfect pick for Giants. Browns have spent 20 years destroying any hope of a future for QBs. Doubt he really wants to be just another name on the back of that QB Jersey.

 

With John Dorsey I think they are in good hands now but still scary spot to be in as a young man. From day one he has to walk in to a team that has won 4 games in 4 years & be the savior with little help. He isn’t going to be able to sit back & learn. He is going to get David Carr’d.

[nate82]

 

Granted, this was in October but PFF had very nice things to say about the Cleveland offensive line. At least enough to contradict what you are saying. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-average-grade-week-5 Once they get Joe Thomas back, I see wide receiver being a much bigger need on offense.

 

Yet they have given up 44 sacks this season 7th worst this year and their offensive line is getting older and will only be giving up more. If your rookie QB is getting sacked 44 times in a season they are not going to last very long if at all. That was also week 5 almost 3-months ago and they have gotten worse since then.

[Jenkins5]

If I’m the Browns, I’m think going out & getting an Alex Smith then drafting a Baker Mayfield later in 1st or early 2nd is better choice. They need a legit QB who has proven to be able to win while Kizer & who ever they draft can learn. Build the team around them up.

 

Realistically, they have 2 picks in the top 4. If they were smart, you leverage trade with Giants. You trade down to #2while adding to your 13 picks you already have. Darnold or Allen are better fits with the division they play in over Rosen. You could par Gilbert up with Chubb. You can snag an elite guard to go with Zietler or another OT to go with Thomas. They have some talented DBs to consider as well.

[FVBrewerFan]

 

Granted, this was in October but PFF had very nice things to say about the Cleveland offensive line. At least enough to contradict what you are saying. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-average-grade-week-5 Once they get Joe Thomas back, I see wide receiver being a much bigger need on offense.

 

Yet they have given up 44 sacks this season 7th worst this year and their offensive line is getting older and will only be giving up more. If your rookie QB is getting sacked 44 times in a season they are not going to last very long if at all. That was also week 5 almost 3-months ago and they have gotten worse since then.

 

Not that I've seen the Browns play much, but I've heard Kizer is the main reason Kizer got sacked so often.

[Jenkins5]

 

Granted, this was in October but PFF had very nice things to say about the Cleveland offensive line. At least enough to contradict what you are saying. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-average-grade-week-5 Once they get Joe Thomas back, I see wide receiver being a much bigger need on offense.

 

Yet they have given up 44 sacks this season 7th worst this year and their offensive line is getting older and will only be giving up more. If your rookie QB is getting sacked 44 times in a season they are not going to last very long if at all. That was also week 5 almost 3-months ago and they have gotten worse since then.

 

 

Not that I've seen the Browns play much, but I've heard Kizer is the main reason Kizer got sacked so often.

 

 

Again terrible situation. Packers are rumored to have wanted to draft Kizer. He Is extremely talented & smart kid. You give him a year or two to learn, he could be a real good QB in this league. Instead, per usual, kids don’t get that opportunity on bad teams. They are fed to the wolves. The game moves fast. He had no time to adjust & learn. Very few guys are able to come in and simply perform. You have a few guys who have but that is not the norm. Prescott, Watson, & Wilson’s don’t grow on trees. Moreover, when they do, usually they are in great organizations with talent in place. Houston was awful this reason thanks to injuries taking out most of their playmakers.

 

Again, How can you blame Rosen for not wanting to be drafted to a bad situation? It is his career. It’s nice to see someone without the arrogance that they are the savior of the sorry franchise. He wants to have a career.

[homer]

Browns lost four games by three points and the Packer game in OT. They are actually pretty good on both lines and have a bunch of high draft picks from last year and next year. They won't be awful forever. It's actually a decent situation for a QB if they can get some skill guys.

[Jenkins5]

Again, Dorsey will get them turned in right direction & they have some pieces to work with but they absolutely need to go out & get an Alex Smith, Case Keenum (Sam Bradford if ever healthy), maybe even a Nick Foles who is good enough to give them a year or two before pushing a young QB in. It does no good. Let the team build up, ride a vet, let future learn & force way up latter. Andy Reid has earned so much for me by refusing to rush a young QB in despite when Chiefs where playing awful. Road his vet & kept young QB where he should be. The bench.

 

Does t matter what rookie QB goes there, if they don’t set them up for success, they will continue to fail.

[RockCoCougars]

I'd say there is a very low chance that Rosen goes number one anyway. The kid from Wyoming has a better chance at being the first overall. I can't see the Browns being stupid enough to draft another QB in the first anyhow. Best scenario for them would be to trade out as they need multiple bodies to fill holes at nearly every position.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Heaven forbid smeone tries to leverage not working in a place they don't want to work. Everyone understands the way the system works, but why should someone be called a moron for using what little leverage they have to try to get out of a situation they don't want to be in?

[Jenkins5]

I'd say there is a very low chance that Rosen goes number one anyway. The kid from Wyoming has a better chance at being the first overall. I can't see the Browns being stupid enough to draft another QB in the first anyhow. Best scenario for them would be to trade out as they need multiple bodies to fill holes at nearly every position.

 

Allen & Darnold are just better fits in my opinion. Big, strong kids who can take hits. That is a mean defense, cold weather, Divison. A 210 pound lankey built QB, who has only played in nice & perfect conditions isn’t perfect. Big Ben, Flacco, and Dalton are all big body guys. Dalton isn’t really big but he is thick and physical like both Allen & Darnold.

 

Giants are perfect I think for Rosen. Think they would trade up to get him. He is a lot like Eli actually. Plus no coach & Gm would be smart to keep Eli until he is ready.

 

Garrett & Chubb (#1 #2 pick) at End then get Allen or Darnold at 4. By trading down they prob get another 2nd round pick pushing them to 4. Think they have 3 3rd picks as well. Fill holes from there.

[jerichoholicninja]

If the Browns are smart, they trade that number 1 pick for a boatload of picks. Not sure if the Giants are willing to give that up to move up one spot but maybe the Jets would.

[patrickgpe]

for those that think this is a good decision, you are going to play for free for a season instead of making millions of dollars in the NFL. If you are as good as NFL scouts think you are go to the browns and play well and you can leave after 4-5 seasons. Most top rookie quarterbacks end up in bad situations and its not like the Giants are a significantly better one (Id argue a worse one).

[superfly]

They have so many options and all of them are good. But they need to make a plan. They should have looked ahead to this years QB class last draft and not wasted a second rounder on Kizer.

 

I've seen Kizer play a few times this season and I am not sure that he is a bust. He's definitely a major work in progress but he can make some really good throws when he has the time to process and sit back in the pocket...maybe he'd be a good trade target for us if they do take another QB/s this offseason.

 

for those that think this is a good decision, you are going to play for free for a season instead of making millions of dollars in the NFL. If you are as good as NFL scouts think you are go to the browns and play well and you can leave after 4-5 seasons. Most top rookie quarterbacks end up in bad situations and its not like the Giants are a significantly better one (Id argue a worse one).

 

Who is the last QB to make it "4-5 seasons" and leave for greener pastures? McCown? Bleh. Hoyer? Yuck. They don't make it that long. Kosar is the only guy I recall that even played an extended stretch of seasons lol.